From all LSU fans: Thank you, Notre Dame.

JW · 12-07-2003, 06:03 PM

They said it on ESPN and the numbers seem to support it: If Notre Dame had won yesterday, USC would be facing OU in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, I know all losses count the same in the BCS, but if you go back and review the strength of schedule numbers and then look at the projections for various combinations of winners yesterday, you find that the Syracue-ND game indeed had a big enough effect on the final BCS numbers to be the difference. Review the final standings and SOS ratings at the link and then scroll down for the projections if ND had won. Fascinating stuff.

http://www.geocities.com/rtell/index.html

In case it wasn't clear, thank you, Notre Dame, for seeing so bad. And thank you, Syracuse for exposing that once again.

Noop · 12-07-2003, 06:21 PM

Notre Dame... lol

BishopMVP · 12-07-2003, 06:36 PM

According to those numbers and assuming that ND winning didn't change the computers, USC and LSU would have been tied at 6.03. How the hell would the BCS have dealt with that?

pjstp20 · 12-07-2003, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by Noop
Notre Dame... lol

Whats so funny Noop? Just being an FSU fan I guess.

Philliesfan980 · 12-07-2003, 06:54 PM

At least most of the athletes from Notre Dame (the ones who graduate of course), parlay their education into a great real world job. I really wonder what the people who do graduate from Florida State (far and few between) do when they graduate?

thealmighty · 12-07-2003, 07:05 PM

You mean like:

Innocent Bystander: "What do you call a Texas graduate?"

SMU Graduate: "My maid."

Noop · 12-07-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by pjstp20
Whats so funny Noop? Just being an FSU fan I guess.

Excuse me but what fuck does that mean? I didnt say shit about Notre Dame if you hate Florida State so much move to south bend. Geez you guessed wrong I was laughing at the spelling. In case you missed it I use to spell it Norte Dame. Get over yourself I'm not your typical Nole fan I support my team, I might say things here and there but its always in good fun.

Go Noles!!!

Noop · 12-07-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Philliesfan980
At least most of the athletes from Notre Dame (the ones who graduate of course), parlay their education into a great real world job. I really wonder what the people who do graduate from Florida State (far and few between) do when they graduate?

pjstp20 · 12-07-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by JW
In case it wasn't clear, thank you, Notre Dame, for seeing so bad. And thank you, Syracuse for exposing that once again.

How did they do to expose their bad eye sight?

It happens 10 times every 100 years JW. If I made fun of LSU every time they had a sub par year, how often would I be running my mouth??? My guess is a little bit more than that huh.

p.s.:Sorry Noop I thought you were just laughing at Notre Dame in general.

Noop · 12-07-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by pjstp20
p.s.:Sorry Noop I thought you were just laughing at Notre Dame in general.

Hmm its cool

JW · 12-07-2003, 08:27 PM

And another quirk in the BCS system is that OU's loss actually managed to hurt LSU. To quote someone on an LSU forum, if OU had won:

"We would have probably kept the .1 QW point if OU had won, because their loss vaulted Kansas St. over UGA in the BCS, and allowed Miami O. to edge UGA out in the BCS by a very slim margin because UGA's human poll average was 11 instead of 10. Not to mention that OU losing hurt UGA's SOS, just as it did ours. If OU had won we would have been in second place by .34 instead of .16. (plus .1 for QW and plus .08 because OU's loss weakened our SOS)"

Very bizarre, the whole BCS thing.

tucker342 · 12-07-2003, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by pjstp20

p.s.:Sorry Noop I thought you were just laughing at Notre Dame in general.

He wasn't, but I am. HAHAHAHAH! Notre Dame SUCKS!!!!

ISiddiqui · 12-07-2003, 11:16 PM

Just shows the absurdity of the BCS, as far as I'm concerned.

BishopMVP · 12-08-2003, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by tucker342
He wasn't, but I am. HAHAHAHAH! Notre Dame SUCKS!!!!

In 5 years, once Notre Dame is back in the Top 10, Kirk Ferentz has left for the NFL and Iowa's recent success looks like a fad similar to Northwestern's, we can revisit this quote.

I still want to know what happens if 2 teams are tied for 2nd. Because despite some sportscasters saying the current scenario is the "BCS' worst nightmare", if ND had won we could have had an even bigger nightmare.

sooner333 · 12-08-2003, 12:58 AM

"In the unlikely event of a tie in the standings at the conclusion of the regular season, the tie-breaking components, in order, will be: head-to-head results; a win against the highest ranked team in the BCS top 25 poll; and strength of schedule component as contained in the BCS ratings formula." http://www.geocities.com/rtell/FAQ.html

edit- That means that LSU would win the tiebreak, because they beat Georgia, higher ranked than Washington State. OU would win the tiebreak over both with the win over Texas. unedit.

Keep in mind that sometimes the computer average number can go out to infinity. Like 1.83333333333333333 and so on. That would reduce the ability to tie as well.

MrBug708 · 12-08-2003, 01:39 AM

Mike Stoops will be at Iowa if that does happen

Whoever is at ND still wont be able to recruit

BishopMVP · 12-08-2003, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
Whoever is at ND still wont be able to recruit

Notre Dame's problem the last 10 years hasn't been recruiting, it's been turning those players into superstars. The prestige makes up for the higher academic standards, and with Ty Willingham coaching, it won't take long. Considering ND started a true freshman at QB and still beat 2 Top-25 teams, it could even be within a year or two that they get back in the Top 10, and if not, certainly the Top 25.

PineTar · 12-08-2003, 01:55 AM

How many superstars did Willingham have at Stanford? Nothing worse in college sports than a Notre Dame fan's arrogance. Nothing worse in the business world than a Notre Dame alum's arrogance.

pjstp20 · 12-08-2003, 02:08 AM

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Originally posted by PineTar
How many superstars did Willingham have at Stanford? Nothing worse in college sports than a Notre Dame fan's arrogance. Nothing worse in the business world than a Notre Dame alum's arrogance.

Yeah because Notre Dame and Stanford are in the same class in terms of football right?

He took Stanford to the Rose Bowl, enough said.

MrBug708 · 12-08-2003, 02:11 AM

He won because he had 2 years of bad teams, but the third year, everyone had played together for so long, it just geled. He also took a 7-5 Stanford team to the Rose Bowl

PineTar · 12-08-2003, 11:47 PM

http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/teams.html

Interesting tidbit.... look at the next to last entry on the page.

12-07-2003, 06:21 PM	#2
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	Notre Dame... lol __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

12-07-2003, 06:54 PM	#5
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	At least most of the athletes from Notre Dame (the ones who graduate of course), parlay their education into a great real world job. I really wonder what the people who do graduate from Florida State (far and few between) do when they graduate? Last edited by Philliesfan980 : 12-07-2003 at 07:09 PM.

12-07-2003, 07:05 PM	#6
thealmighty Pro Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: heaven	You mean like: Innocent Bystander: "What do you call a Texas graduate?" SMU Graduate: "My maid." __________________ Check out The Unofficial FOFC Movie Guide Here

12-07-2003, 11:16 PM	#13
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Just shows the absurdity of the BCS, as far as I'm concerned. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-08-2003, 12:58 AM	#15
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	"In the unlikely event of a tie in the standings at the conclusion of the regular season, the tie-breaking components, in order, will be: head-to-head results; a win against the highest ranked team in the BCS top 25 poll; and strength of schedule component as contained in the BCS ratings formula." http://www.geocities.com/rtell/FAQ.html edit- That means that LSU would win the tiebreak, because they beat Georgia, higher ranked than Washington State. OU would win the tiebreak over both with the win over Texas. unedit. Keep in mind that sometimes the computer average number can go out to infinity. Like 1.83333333333333333 and so on. That would reduce the ability to tie as well. Last edited by sooner333 : 12-08-2003 at 12:59 AM.

12-07-2003, 06:36 PM	#3
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	According to those numbers and assuming that ND winning didn't change the computers, USC and LSU would have been tied at 6.03. How the hell would the BCS have dealt with that?

12-07-2003, 08:27 PM	#11
JW College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Monroe, LA, USA	And another quirk in the BCS system is that OU's loss actually managed to hurt LSU. To quote someone on an LSU forum, if OU had won: "We would have probably kept the .1 QW point if OU had won, because their loss vaulted Kansas St. over UGA in the BCS, and allowed Miami O. to edge UGA out in the BCS by a very slim margin because UGA's human poll average was 11 instead of 10. Not to mention that OU losing hurt UGA's SOS, just as it did ours. If OU had won we would have been in second place by .34 instead of .16. (plus .1 for QW and plus .08 because OU's loss weakened our SOS)" Very bizarre, the whole BCS thing.

12-08-2003, 01:39 AM	#16
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Mike Stoops will be at Iowa if that does happen Whoever is at ND still wont be able to recruit

12-08-2003, 01:55 AM	#18
PineTar High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	How many superstars did Willingham have at Stanford? Nothing worse in college sports than a Notre Dame fan's arrogance. Nothing worse in the business world than a Notre Dame alum's arrogance. Last edited by PineTar : 12-08-2003 at 01:56 AM.

12-08-2003, 02:11 AM	#20
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	He won because he had 2 years of bad teams, but the third year, everyone had played together for so long, it just geled. He also took a 7-5 Stanford team to the Rose Bowl

12-08-2003, 11:47 PM	#21
PineTar High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/teams.html Interesting tidbit.... look at the next to last entry on the page. Last edited by PineTar : 12-08-2003 at 11:47 PM.

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