Another nice, immersive thing in FOF2K4...

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 08:45 AM

...is the fact that there are true superstars of the league who stand out.

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 08:48 AM

Speaking of superstars, check out Bob Stephenson's numbers:

That 5-year run from 2015-2019 is just amazing.

cthomer5000 · 12-10-2003, 08:52 AM

2021 was pretty damn nice as well.

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by cthomer5000
2021 was pretty damn nice as well.

Yeah, but too few carries. Clearly this is a bug. Too much passing.

I'm trying to sign that offensive coordinator for Washington that got him 400+ carries for six straight seasons.

Bee · 12-10-2003, 08:54 AM

What's really impressive to me is no injuries and the fact that he's still productive this late in his career.

Butter · 12-10-2003, 08:55 AM

This must be a bug if he played that well for Arizona.

Passacaglia · 12-10-2003, 08:59 AM

Why on Earth did he leave Washington? And what kind of numbers did Kent Raymond put up in 2015?

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by Passacaglia
Why on Earth did he leave Washington? And what kind of numbers did Kent Raymond put up in 2015?

I'm guessing they couldn't afford to keep him.

Raymond in 2015:

329 carries, 1536 yards, 4.6ypc, 8 TD's
60 catches, 585 yards, 5 TD's

Stephenson had 23 catches for 260 yards and 1 TD that year. He was the first-team RB, but Raymond was named MVP.

Here's something interesting:

Raymond was the 'Skins' feature back from 2009 to 2013. I guess when his contract ran out, they signed Stephenson.

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:10 AM

I just did some checking on Washington's situation at the end of 2019, when they let Stephenson get away. At that point, three of their starting offensive linemen were also FA-eligible. Going to look at 2020 to see who they re-signed, etc. (Nice little anecdotal look at AI roster building...)

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:17 AM

I can live with what they did.

They renegotiated (long extension) with their star QB, tried to sign a big-time offensive tackle (he turned 'em down), then re-signed both of their former starting tackles, signed a solid offensive guard, and signed a solid, non-star RB, who rushed for 1361 yards in 2020.

Results?

They went 12-4 and were the wild-card team in 2019, with Stephenson.
They went 12-4 and won the division in 2020, without him.

Both seasons they lost in the Division round of the playoffs to Philly.

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:20 AM

I'm guessing that when all was said and done, they could have afforded to re-sign Stephenson, but their initial FA big offer was to the stud offensive tackle. (This guy was rated 100,100,89,96.) I'll be by the time the tackle turned 'em down, Stephenson had already signed the 5-year, $76.24 million deal with Arizona that cost them $9M+ in cap room in year 1.

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:21 AM

Dola....

The year 2 hit in Stephenson's contract was $15.73M. Ouch.

JAG · 12-10-2003, 09:22 AM

I can more than live with that...that's fairly outstanding.

WSUCougar · 12-10-2003, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
Stephenson had 23 catches for 260 yards and 1 TD that year. He was the first-team RB, but Raymond was named MVP.

Bit of a threadjack (sorry SD), but I've also found this a little odd in the FOF universe...that players can be an MVP yet not the 1st team player at their position. Is this something that happens in the NFL? Or is this a mini-bug?

Passacaglia · 12-10-2003, 09:28 AM

Wasn't McNabb named MVP a few years back, but didn't make the Pro Bowl?

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
I can more than live with that...that's fairly outstanding.

I was intentionally understating.

Here's what happened to Arizona:

2019: 6-10 (w/o Stephenson)
2020: 4-12 (with Stepheson from here forward)
2021: 4-12
2022: 9-7
2023: 6-8-2
2024: 8-8

Washington:
2019: 12-4 (w/ Stephenson)
2020: 12-4 (w/o Stephenson from here forward)
2021: 9-7
2022: 11-5
2023: 6-10
2024: 9-7

Washington's issue in 2023 appeared to have been defense. Their QB (same stud they extended when they let Stephenson go) threw for 4,313 yards with 27 Td's, 10 INt's, and a 96.0 rating

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by WSUCougar
Bit of a threadjack (sorry SD), but I've also found this a little odd in the FOF universe...that players can be an MVP yet not the 1st team player at their position. Is this something that happens in the NFL? Or is this a mini-bug?

I don't know if it has ever happened in real life, but I can certainly see how it could. I just think about the Falcons last year. If Vick had been able to have one or two more big games in the playoffs, the case could be made that he was the most valuable guy in the league, but he shouldn't have been first-team QB by any means.

Peregrine · 12-10-2003, 09:46 AM

I wonder if Stephenson was a highly rated stud coming out of the draft? My latest draft starred probably the best prospect I've ever seen, Junior Meester, a RB rated 9.0/9.6 adjusted who somehow dropped to the 5th pick in the draft! After training camp he was rated 75/87 and was already the 3rd best RB in the league. I expect him to put up some Stephenson like numbers!

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peregrine
I wonder if Stephenson was a highly rated stud coming out of the draft? My latest draft starred probably the best prospect I've ever seen, Junior Meester, a RB rated 9.0/9.6 adjusted who somehow dropped to the 5th pick in the draft! After training camp he was rated 75/87 and was already the 3rd best RB in the league. I expect him to put up some Stephenson like numbers!

He was drafted 1(7), the 2nd RB taken, rated 49/65, but earned OROY honors. The interesting thing about Stephenson is that at his max, he was rated 67/67.

RB Bernie Garcia, who was taken 1(4) in 2014, three picks ahead of Stephenson, has had a very strong career (12,555 yards, 4.2ypc, 80 TD's), but has no hardware.

Stephenson, however, is the all-time leading rusher in my universe by over 4,400 yards, and he's still active...

cuervo72 · 12-10-2003, 11:26 AM

Wasn't Ryan Rice your guy?

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Wasn't Ryan Rice your guy?

Nice memory. Yeah he was. Won the freakin' MVP after I let him fly.....

Ben E Lou · 12-10-2003, 11:29 AM

Dola...

I went 7-9 in 2011 too.

WebEwbank · 12-11-2003, 07:28 AM

More impressed by his consistency and durability than his numbers, as someone else said. I once had an RB who scored 201 TDs on the ground in his career in FOF2.

Darkiller · 12-11-2003, 07:48 AM

Could it be RB Nate Borders ? your keeper in the Village Challenge 2 ...

cuervo72 · 12-11-2003, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
Nice memory. Yeah he was. Won the freakin' MVP after I let him fly.....

Thanks. I have a knack for remembering things that are basically inconsequential.

Ben E Lou · 12-17-2003, 07:07 PM

Was just looking at Stephenson again. He has 4,500 more yards than anyone else in my universe.

That is one thing I love about this version. It from time-to-time produces true once-in-a-lifetime performers.

ice4277 · 12-17-2003, 07:26 PM

I've got my Tennessee Titans Quinn Torkleson jersey in the mail. Possibly one of the greatest names in video game football.

judicial clerk · 12-17-2003, 07:59 PM

Torkleson is overrated. he didn't earn that second mvp trophy, he just got it because of name recognition.

rexallllsc · 12-17-2003, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peregrine
I wonder if Stephenson was a highly rated stud coming out of the draft? My latest draft starred probably the best prospect I've ever seen, Junior Meester, a RB rated 9.0/9.6 adjusted who somehow dropped to the 5th pick in the draft! After training camp he was rated 75/87 and was already the 3rd best RB in the league. I expect him to put up some Stephenson like numbers!

Ladanian Tomlinson:
Drafted: 2001, 1st Round, 5th Pick by San Diego Chargers

kingnebwsu · 12-18-2003, 04:54 AM

Threadjack 2:

T.J. Duckett (!!!) just won the 2006 MVP award for my Falcons and was named 2nd team RB. His stats were solid, but TD's were way low (like 6). I didn't think he deserved it. But hey, I took over a 4-12 team to make them 13-3 and go to the NFC tittie game. Oh the excitement! Hope we can win in '07 so I can move to another team.

Alf · 12-18-2003, 05:00 AM

I love tittie games

WussGawd · 12-18-2003, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyDog
I was intentionally understating.

Here's what happened to Arizona:

2019: 6-10 (w/o Stephenson)
2020: 4-12 (with Stepheson from here forward)
2021: 4-12
2022: 9-7
2023: 6-8-2
2024: 8-8

Hmm. Talk about Emmitt's quote about being a diamond among trash. Only the Cruds could sign a perennial 1000+ yard rusher and still suck.

12-10-2003, 08:48 AM	#2
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Speaking of superstars, check out Bob Stephenson's numbers: That 5-year run from 2015-2019 is just amazing. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-10-2003, 08:55 AM	#6
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	This must be a bug if he played that well for Arizona. __________________ My listening habits

12-10-2003, 08:59 AM	#7
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Why on Earth did he leave Washington? And what kind of numbers did Kent Raymond put up in 2015? __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

12-10-2003, 09:10 AM	#9
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I just did some checking on Washington's situation at the end of 2019, when they let Stephenson get away. At that point, three of their starting offensive linemen were also FA-eligible. Going to look at 2020 to see who they re-signed, etc. (Nice little anecdotal look at AI roster building...) __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-10-2003, 09:17 AM	#10
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I can live with what they did. They renegotiated (long extension) with their star QB, tried to sign a big-time offensive tackle (he turned 'em down), then re-signed both of their former starting tackles, signed a solid offensive guard, and signed a solid, non-star RB, who rushed for 1361 yards in 2020. Results? They went 12-4 and were the wild-card team in 2019, with Stephenson. They went 12-4 and won the division in 2020, without him. Both seasons they lost in the Division round of the playoffs to Philly. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-10-2003, 08:54 AM	#5
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	What's really impressive to me is no injuries and the fact that he's still productive this late in his career.

12-10-2003, 09:20 AM	#11
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I'm guessing that when all was said and done, they could have afforded to re-sign Stephenson, but their initial FA big offer was to the stud offensive tackle. (This guy was rated 100,100,89,96.) I'll be by the time the tackle turned 'em down, Stephenson had already signed the 5-year, $76.24 million deal with Arizona that cost them $9M+ in cap room in year 1. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-10-2003, 09:21 AM	#12
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola.... The year 2 hit in Stephenson's contract was $15.73M. Ouch. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-10-2003, 09:28 AM	#15
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Wasn't McNabb named MVP a few years back, but didn't make the Pro Bowl? __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

12-10-2003, 09:46 AM	#18
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	I wonder if Stephenson was a highly rated stud coming out of the draft? My latest draft starred probably the best prospect I've ever seen, Junior Meester, a RB rated 9.0/9.6 adjusted who somehow dropped to the 5th pick in the draft! After training camp he was rated 75/87 and was already the 3rd best RB in the league. I expect him to put up some Stephenson like numbers!

12-10-2003, 11:26 AM	#20
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12-10-2003, 11:29 AM	#22
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola... I went 7-9 in 2011 too. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-11-2003, 07:28 AM	#23
WebEwbank High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Natick, MA	More impressed by his consistency and durability than his numbers, as someone else said. I once had an RB who scored 201 TDs on the ground in his career in FOF2.

12-11-2003, 07:48 AM	#24
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12-17-2003, 07:07 PM	#26
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Was just looking at Stephenson again. He has 4,500 more yards than anyone else in my universe. That is one thing I love about this version. It from time-to-time produces true once-in-a-lifetime performers. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-17-2003, 07:26 PM	#27
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	I've got my Tennessee Titans Quinn Torkleson jersey in the mail. Possibly one of the greatest names in video game football.

12-17-2003, 07:59 PM	#28
judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	Torkleson is overrated. he didn't earn that second mvp trophy, he just got it because of name recognition.

12-18-2003, 04:54 AM	#30
kingnebwsu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ohio	Threadjack 2: T.J. Duckett (!!!) just won the 2006 MVP award for my Falcons and was named 2nd team RB. His stats were solid, but TD's were way low (like 6). I didn't think he deserved it. But hey, I took over a 4-12 team to make them 13-3 and go to the NFC tittie game. Oh the excitement! Hope we can win in '07 so I can move to another team.

12-18-2003, 05:00 AM	#31
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	I love tittie games __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

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