OT: Phils Players in A-Rod Sweepstakes?

Hands to the Face · 12-12-2003, 01:08 PM

Philadelphia sports radio (admittedly not the bastion of journalistic integrity, mind you) is reporting an unsubstantiated rumor that the Phillies now are involved in the sadly underhyped A-Rod trade talks.

According to the report, the Phils would ship Jimmy Rollins and Bobby Abreu to Beantown. The Sox would send Nomar and Trot Nixon to the Phils, then trade Manny and Rollins to the Rangers for the $25 million man.

Anyone in either Boston or Texas heard anything to indicate that there's fire attached to this particular puff of hot stove smoke?

rkmsuf · 12-12-2003, 01:10 PM

That's the rumor floated in Boston via only the Philly source.

Wasn't Adreu a big pain in the ass under the previous Francona regime?

Malificent · 12-12-2003, 01:16 PM

Abreu is the type of player Theo Epstein loves though.

moore4807 · 12-12-2003, 01:28 PM

But how can Philly eat that kind of salary to make Boston better? They just got done offering Millwood arbitration that was going to push them past $75M ( the supposed fiscal line in the sand...)

And now theyre going to trade a $3M OF and a $2M SS to take on a $8M SS and a $4M OF? I cant see Wade getting that fantasy trade past the tightfisted owners...

Abreu's best seasons came under Francona - I dont think he disliked Francona as much as the mgmt in Philly.

But I've been wrong before

MrBug708 · 12-12-2003, 01:32 PM

I believe you are missing the fact that Nomar wants to be traded only to LA. Then again, I guess he can suffer one year in Philly before coming to the Angels or Dodgers

rkmsuf · 12-12-2003, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
I believe you are missing the fact that Nomar wants to be traded only to LA. Then again, I guess he can suffer one year in Philly before coming to the Angels or Dodgers

It's not in any way up to Nomar...

Qwikshot · 12-12-2003, 01:36 PM

Nomar is a free agent after this season...like Millwood (if he accepts arbitration), like Wagner, like Milton...lotsa free money next season.

MrBug708 · 12-12-2003, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rkmsuf
It's not in any way up to Nomar...

Not this year of course

rkmsuf · 12-12-2003, 01:42 PM

either way the Phillies make out. They either sign him long term or part ways after his contract drive year and save money.

bdemz · 12-12-2003, 03:02 PM

Abreu make $8mil (yes 8) a year. I would absolutly love this trade being a Philly fan

bdemz · 12-12-2003, 03:04 PM

Make that $9mil a year

Abreu, Bobby $ 9,100,000 Outfielder

USATODAY

cuervo72 · 12-12-2003, 03:23 PM

Um, I think I'd rather keep Abreu.

rkmsuf · 12-12-2003, 03:59 PM

Trot Nixon has similar numbers...

primelord · 12-12-2003, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rkmsuf
Trot Nixon has similar numbers...

I think Abreu overall is a better hitter. Nixon has real problems against left handed pitchers. Abreu seems to hit both pretty well. But I agree overall I don't think it is a huge down grade from Abreu to Nixon. And Nomar is a huge upgrade from Rollins. Seems like it would be a good deal for the Phils if it's true.

cuervo72 · 12-12-2003, 10:20 PM

Interesting lists (not that it means much, just interesting):

Similar Batters through Age 29
Player A:

1. Dave Parker (945)
2. Bernie Williams (940)
3. Fred Lynn (938)
4. Tony Oliva (925)
5. Magglio Ordonez (922)
6. Raul Mondesi (918)
7. Mike Sweeney (915)
8. Bob Meusel (914)
9. Wally Berger (913)
10. Mike Greenwell (907)

Player B:
1. Reggie Sanders (972)
2. Tommy Henrich (969)
3. Carl Everett (961)
4. Jim Edmonds (944)
5. Moises Alou (942)
6. Jeffrey Hammonds (939)
7. Leon Wagner (938)
8. Felipe Alou (937)
9. Jimmie Hall (936)
10. Kirk Gibson (935)

IMO, Abreu's OBP's are much more impressive, and I think Trot had a career year last year, while Abreu didn't (understatement). Yes, Nomar would be nicer to have than Rollins. But I don't know if I would want to part with Abreu for a year of Nomar.

12-12-2003, 01:10 PM	#2
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	That's the rumor floated in Boston via only the Philly source. Wasn't Adreu a big pain in the ass under the previous Francona regime? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

12-12-2003, 01:16 PM	#3
Malificent High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Durham, NC, USA	Abreu is the type of player Theo Epstein loves though. __________________ Check out my Flickr photos.

12-12-2003, 01:28 PM	#4
moore4807 n00b Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Blackwood NJ	Trade But how can Philly eat that kind of salary to make Boston better? They just got done offering Millwood arbitration that was going to push them past $75M ( the supposed fiscal line in the sand...) And now theyre going to trade a $3M OF and a $2M SS to take on a $8M SS and a $4M OF? I cant see Wade getting that fantasy trade past the tightfisted owners... Abreu's best seasons came under Francona - I dont think he disliked Francona as much as the mgmt in Philly. But I've been wrong before Last edited by moore4807 : 12-12-2003 at 01:31 PM.

12-12-2003, 01:36 PM	#7
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Nomar is a free agent after this season...like Millwood (if he accepts arbitration), like Wagner, like Milton...lotsa free money next season. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

12-12-2003, 01:42 PM	#9
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	either way the Phillies make out. They either sign him long term or part ways after his contract drive year and save money. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

12-12-2003, 01:32 PM	#5
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I believe you are missing the fact that Nomar wants to be traded only to LA. Then again, I guess he can suffer one year in Philly before coming to the Angels or Dodgers

12-12-2003, 03:02 PM	#10
bdemz n00b Join Date: Dec 2002	Abreu Abreu make $8mil (yes 8) a year. I would absolutly love this trade being a Philly fan

12-12-2003, 03:04 PM	#11
bdemz n00b Join Date: Dec 2002	Change Make that $9mil a year Abreu, Bobby $ 9,100,000 Outfielder USATODAY

12-12-2003, 03:23 PM	#12
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Um, I think I'd rather keep Abreu. __________________ null

12-12-2003, 03:59 PM	#13
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Trot Nixon has similar numbers... __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

12-12-2003, 10:20 PM	#15
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Interesting lists (not that it means much, just interesting): Similar Batters through Age 29 Player A: 1. Dave Parker (945) 2. Bernie Williams (940) 3. Fred Lynn (938) 4. Tony Oliva (925) 5. Magglio Ordonez (922) 6. Raul Mondesi (918) 7. Mike Sweeney (915) 8. Bob Meusel (914) 9. Wally Berger (913) 10. Mike Greenwell (907) Player B: 1. Reggie Sanders (972) 2. Tommy Henrich (969) 3. Carl Everett (961) 4. Jim Edmonds (944) 5. Moises Alou (942) 6. Jeffrey Hammonds (939) 7. Leon Wagner (938) 8. Felipe Alou (937) 9. Jimmie Hall (936) 10. Kirk Gibson (935) IMO, Abreu's OBP's are much more impressive, and I think Trot had a career year last year, while Abreu didn't (understatement). Yes, Nomar would be nicer to have than Rollins. But I don't know if I would want to part with Abreu for a year of Nomar. __________________ null

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