FOF 2004: What the Hell?!?!

Grid Iron · 01-07-2004, 01:22 AM

Alright, I've just started to really get into FOF2004, and then I discover this ridiculous bug. . . Hitting the escape key ends whatever game I am watching and the result is a 0-0 tie. This really sucks because I accidentally hit "sim entire season," so I hit the ESC key with the hope of ending the simming after the current game completed. To no avail. It kept right on simming. I hit ESC again, and it results in a 0-0 tie, and keeps on simming.

I'm sure this has been discussed before. My patch is 5.0b, and I can't believe there was never any method to escape from simming an entire season.

Also, the computer declined a false start penalty on 4th-and-1. I didn't even think an NFL team could decline a false start, being that it's a dead ball foul. I believe you can in college football, so maybe it's leftover code from TCY.

GoSeahawks · 01-07-2004, 01:34 AM

That's the first I've heard of it. It doesn't really affect me because I don't sim full seasons at a time, but I can see how this is irritating if you mistakingly leave the PBP on.

Axxon · 01-07-2004, 01:47 AM

It's been a part of the series forever and it used to majorly annoy me. It has ruined a fair share of my careers but lately I have finally learned to avoid this and didn't think to even check if it was in 2k4. I'm very sure that Jim has been aware of this for a long time so I don't know if it can be classified as a bug but maybe he feels it's a feature???

kcchief19 · 01-07-2004, 09:08 AM

I guess I'm confused as to why it's ruining a career. If you accidentally hit sim season, what's wrong with letting it sim out and exiting without saving? Or does it auto-save at the end of the sim?

I don't recall this being made an issue before, so perhaps Jim is simply not aware. Perhaps he can add a stop sim option for an auto sim. That said, I'm not aware of any text sim that has an "undo" button. Your only option really is to exit without saving.

Easy Mac · 01-07-2004, 10:25 AM

I posted about this in November, as well as when FOF4 came out. I also emailed Jim back during the FOF4 days I think.

Linky

Grid Iron · 01-07-2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Easy Mac
I posted about this in November, as well as when FOF4 came out. I also emailed Jim back during the FOF4 days I think.

Glad to see I'm not crazy. It's weird. . . and it seems like it would be so easy to fix.

Oh well.

QuikSand · 01-07-2004, 10:51 AM

I wonder if there's any work-around for this, so we can keep playing the game until it gets fixed?

Easy Mac · 01-07-2004, 10:55 AM

no, I don't think there is. Of course, I tried it one year and made the playoffs, so I'm content.

Maple Leafs · 01-07-2004, 11:46 AM

This has been around for several versions, and is highly annoying and counter-intuitive (sarcastic comments aside).

For whatever it's worth, you can exit a game the "right way" by hitting "x" instead of "esc".

mtaystl03 · 01-07-2004, 12:26 PM

I have an idea - if you know what ESC is going to do - um.....just.......................dont press ESC?

Grid Iron · 01-07-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by mtaystl03
I have an idea - if you know what ESC is going to do - um.....just.......................dont press ESC?

Sorry, dude. Not gonna happen. I refuse to conform my behavior just to please "The Man."

Actually, I never knew that "X" allowed me to exit from the game. I'm just used to FOF2, which I believe allowed use of the ESC key.

Maple Leafs · 01-07-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by mtaystl03
I have an idea - if you know what ESC is going to do - um.....just.......................dont press ESC?

The point is that you don't know that until you've already done it once.

Further, FOF should conform to the same UI standards that people are used to. I don't know of too many applications where hitting "esc" causes an instant quit from the currently running item, with no opportunity to save or change your mind. It's just bad design. Not the end of the world, but bad design.

mtaystl03 · 01-07-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Not the end of the world, but bad design.

You know what I think was bad design, your face!

Maple Leafs · 01-07-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by mtaystl03
You know what I think was bad design, your face!

No, that was good design, but poor implementation.

Easy Mac · 01-07-2004, 01:13 PM

well, it won't save the all ties season unless you save the game later, so no harm, no foul.

QuikSand · 01-07-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
For whatever it's worth, you can exit a game the "right way" by hitting "x" instead of "esc".

Just to keep this from seeming ridiculously arbitrary, I belive the "x" is the hotkey letter for the "Exit" command, which is essentially what you want to do here.

Fido · 01-07-2004, 01:30 PM

Don't look at this as a bug - look at it as a challenge. See if you can be the first to bring a team in with a 0-0-16 record with 0 PF and 0 PA.

Maple Leafs · 01-07-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by QuikSand
Just to keep this from seeming ridiculously arbitrary, I belive the "x" is the hotkey letter for the "Exit" command, which is essentially what you want to do here.

Yes. Which is fine. If Jim just removed the "Escape key causes a 0-0 tie" feature, then everything would be rosy.

fantastic flying froggies · 01-08-2004, 04:30 AM

Well, actually, you can also use this to cheat.

Just score first, FG or TD, doesn't matter, then press ESC and you win the game 3-0 or 7-0. Do that 16 games in a row, and voila, you're the '72 Dolphins with a perfect 16-0 season...

Of course, I wouldn't do this...

01-07-2004, 01:34 AM	#2
GoSeahawks High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Olympia, Wa	That's the first I've heard of it. It doesn't really affect me because I don't sim full seasons at a time, but I can see how this is irritating if you mistakingly leave the PBP on. Last edited by GoSeahawks : 01-07-2004 at 01:35 AM.

01-07-2004, 01:47 AM	#3
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	It's been a part of the series forever and it used to majorly annoy me. It has ruined a fair share of my careers but lately I have finally learned to avoid this and didn't think to even check if it was in 2k4. I'm very sure that Jim has been aware of this for a long time so I don't know if it can be classified as a bug but maybe he feels it's a feature??? __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

01-07-2004, 12:26 PM	#10
mtaystl03 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO	I have an idea - if you know what ESC is going to do - um.....just.......................dont press ESC? __________________ Go STL Sports! Last edited by mtaystl03 : 01-07-2004 at 12:27 PM.

01-07-2004, 01:30 PM	#17
Fido High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New Hampshire, USA	Don't look at this as a bug - look at it as a challenge. See if you can be the first to bring a team in with a 0-0-16 record with 0 PF and 0 PA. __________________ Author of FOF Reporter and TCY Helper.

01-08-2004, 04:30 AM	#19
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	Well, actually, you can also use this to cheat. Just score first, FG or TD, doesn't matter, then press ESC and you win the game 3-0 or 7-0. Do that 16 games in a row, and voila, you're the '72 Dolphins with a perfect 16-0 season... Of course, I wouldn't do this... __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

01-07-2004, 09:08 AM	#4
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I guess I'm confused as to why it's ruining a career. If you accidentally hit sim season, what's wrong with letting it sim out and exiting without saving? Or does it auto-save at the end of the sim? I don't recall this being made an issue before, so perhaps Jim is simply not aware. Perhaps he can add a stop sim option for an auto sim. That said, I'm not aware of any text sim that has an "undo" button. Your only option really is to exit without saving.

01-07-2004, 10:25 AM	#5
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I posted about this in November, as well as when FOF4 came out. I also emailed Jim back during the FOF4 days I think. Linky

01-07-2004, 10:51 AM	#7
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I wonder if there's any work-around for this, so we can keep playing the game until it gets fixed?

01-07-2004, 10:55 AM	#8
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	no, I don't think there is. Of course, I tried it one year and made the playoffs, so I'm content.

01-07-2004, 11:46 AM	#9
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	This has been around for several versions, and is highly annoying and counter-intuitive (sarcastic comments aside). For whatever it's worth, you can exit a game the "right way" by hitting "x" instead of "esc".

01-07-2004, 01:13 PM	#15
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	well, it won't save the all ties season unless you save the game later, so no harm, no foul.

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