Text sims that should be made

Airhog · 01-30-2004, 10:56 PM

A Racing Sim

I think this has to be the number 1 untapped text-sim market. Grandprix manager was fairly decent, and F1 Manager had to many bugs to make it a serious contender. I kept this pretty broad, but there are many different sims you could produce under the racing genre. Nascar, Open Wheeled racing, Road Racing, Sprint Car Racing, Motorcycles, etc. I personally feel it is just a matter of time before someone comes out with a decent game here.

Rugby

I think this sim would show some promise. Like soccer sims, this genre may not fair as well in the states as it would across the pond. I imagine there may be one or two rugby sims out there, but I havent seen anything in the US.

Olympic Sports

A sim based on the Olympics would do okay I think. Especially if it is a broad sim dealing with countries and their programs rather then individual events.

Combat Sims

I think this could be another good option for text sims. Right now we have few sims that deals with combat as entertainment. I think that a more futuristic sim would do quite well.

College Sports

There are still a few college sports that have yet to see the sim market. I think that football has room for another sim, although I think TCY is probably as good as it gets in this genre.

Stock Market Sim

There have been some done in the past, however I think a more up-to-date sim would go over quite nicely here.

Barkeep49 · 01-30-2004, 11:14 PM

For stock market sims I think Wall Street Raider is current and quite enjoyable as a text sim.

Craptacular · 01-30-2004, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Airhog

Olympic Sports

A sim based on the Olympics would do okay I think. Especially if it is a broad sim dealing with countries and their programs rather then individual events.

I think an Olympic sim would be cool. Each country could have geographic and cultural advantages in certain areas (think Austria and skiing, Kenya and distance running, etc). It would be up to you to decide whether or not to focus on those, or try to make the Jamaican bobsled team a winner.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-30-2004, 11:46 PM

I've said it several times, it won't hurt to say it again.

If anybody ever manages to capture the NASCAR experience in a text sim, I'd likely be willing to mortgage my house to buy it and lose my business from the time spent playing it.

I've gotten so desperate that I'm even slowly working on some ideas for a campaign-style tabletop game myself.

Beyond that, someone managing to conquer high school football would be my next wishlist item. Alas, I believe that might be a harder nut to crack than NASCAR. The volume of data alone would be staggering.

sabotai · 01-30-2004, 11:48 PM

*takes out tape recorder*
*presses record*

Note to self - Create an all-inclusive, CM immerive like NASCAR sim and then charge JonInMiddleGA $70,000 for it.

*presses stop*

k0ruptr · 01-30-2004, 11:53 PM

an awesome boxing sim.

and, a better computer hacking sim.

amdaily · 01-31-2004, 12:03 AM

Boxing, NASCAR, and a combat sim get my votes.

Marmel · 01-31-2004, 12:18 AM

A cross dressing sim. Neuqua keeps asking me if I know of one, and I just want him to leave me alone.

Vince · 01-31-2004, 12:46 AM

I can't believe 8 posts in and no one has mentioned Curling.

Karim · 01-31-2004, 12:50 AM

In all seriousness, what I'm missing is a global political sim and a career boxing sim with an editor.

Mac Howard · 01-31-2004, 01:30 AM

A Ryder Cup golf sim as one the two captains. It could be combined with a regular golf sim so that could select to be a playing captain or not.

sabotai · 01-31-2004, 01:37 AM

2 sims I would like to see (that have not been mentioned yet)

A tennis sim. In this game you would act as an agent, managing the careers of several (however many you want) tennis players. Entering them in challengers up to grand slams and the olympics. Negotiating sponcer deals and trying to maximize you intake while pleasing your players at the same time.

A horse racing sim. A racing sim that lets you own horses and do what you can in real life. "Rent" out studs or owning mares and breeding them to auction off the yearlings and two-year olds. Entering them into cheap claiming races up to the highest stakes. Trying to secure top jockeys to ride your horses, and quality trainers to make them into champions.

Primal · 01-31-2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If anybody ever manages to capture the NASCAR experience in a text sim, I'd likely be willing to mortgage my house to buy it and lose my business from the time spent playing it.

Hmm... how can I make a game simulating a bunch of rednecks drinking busch beer and smoking Winston cigarettes?

Mountain · 01-31-2004, 04:14 AM

I've thought a little bit about the high school football sim as well. I think what would be cool about it would be player assessment and training. For instance, each player who tries to come out for your football team wouold have a set of attributes, i.e. speed, agility, strength, intelligence, etc.and it would be up to you as a coach to determine where to place and develop them on the team.

The players could also have some preset ideas as to what positions they would prefer to play to make them more resistant or pliable to the position. A game like this could also add some immersion levels by trying to convince the 6'3 280 sophmore bemehoth who plays the violin to come out for the football team. Also there would be a certain amount of older players coming in to the school district by parents relocating to the area additionally you could also lose some of your players to parents moving family situations shanging or whatever. Also if the player performs poorly in school or is a disciplinary problem would be interesting as well.

I think the fun in a game like this would be having a pool of raw talent and then developing it over time wiht training and experinece from playing games. Also you could face the age old decisions of cocahes. Do I force players to adapt to my system, or do I change my offense and defense based on the abilities of my players?

I think a sim like this could be very doable if you didn't try to incoporate all fifty states at one time. Just use one state at a time. Just some thoughts.

SirFozzie · 01-31-2004, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Primal

Hmm... how can I make a game simulating a bunch of rednecks drinking busch beer and smoking Winston cigarettes?

That better be a joke, Primal....

RedKingGold · 01-31-2004, 09:11 AM

What about Title Bout from OOTP Developments,...was that any good???

T-Storm · 01-31-2004, 09:20 AM

A Sports-League-Sim.
First you decide what sport you want your League to be in. Then you award franchises to the highest bidders or have them all League controlled, decide who plays the salaries, the rules of your league, if it has a salary cap or not etc.
Of course the other Sportleagues would be in battle for the fans with you. But not just those from the sport you chose, but those of the other sports as well.
You compete with them for the top college or maybe even high school players to enter your leagues draft and not that of the other league.
Currently the nfl is the league in the states. The usfl, ableit getting some of the top college players and former nfl stars failed miserably. Can you do it better?
Or do you want to make IceHockey the top sport?
Of course, it may not be based on the usa alone.
So expand the nfl, make it the worldwide sport that soccer currently is.
In essence I want to be the League Owner/Commisioner and recreate / expand the battles of the past.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-31-2004, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain

I think a sim like this could be very doable if you didn't try to incoporate all fifty states at one time. Just use one state at a time. Just some thoughts.

I assume you mean something along the lines of CM's "loaded leagues" vs "background leagues"?

Airhog · 01-31-2004, 10:31 AM

Ah I forgot about golf and teniis, curling has a sim already, im not sure if it is a text sim or actually has gameplay included. Horseracing has several sims out there, however none of them are really that good, and should probably be included. Computer hacking has several sims, with uplink being the newest. Im not sure how much better they can make a hacking sim, without having you actually write code and such. Boxing does have one option, but without a career mode as this time, it really can't compete.

sabotai · 01-31-2004, 11:47 AM

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Horseracing has several sims out there, however none of them are really that good, and should probably be included.

I don't think any of them is close to having a solid career play to it. And I don't think any of them include breeding.

StormcloudCreations · 01-31-2004, 12:54 PM

Hmmmmmm....*writing lots of ideas down*

NASCAR sim? As in race cars? Really? People would pay for this (more than just JohninMiddleGA and amdaily)? The only weird part would be having to actually watch the races on TV for "research"....

sabotai · 01-31-2004, 12:56 PM

Just buy a 6-pack or cheap domestic beer and pick up one of those Auto Trader things. That's all you need to know to make a NASCAR sim...

(KIDDING!)

Karim · 01-31-2004, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Storm

A Sports-League-Sim.
First you decide what sport you want your League to be in. Then you award franchises to the highest bidders or have them all League controlled, decide who plays the salaries, the rules of your league, if it has a salary cap or not etc.
Of course the other Sportleagues would be in battle for the fans with you. But not just those from the sport you chose, but those of the other sports as well.
You compete with them for the top college or maybe even high school players to enter your leagues draft and not that of the other league.
Currently the nfl is the league in the states. The usfl, ableit getting some of the top college players and former nfl stars failed miserably. Can you do it better?
Or do you want to make IceHockey the top sport?
Of course, it may not be based on the usa alone.
So expand the nfl, make it the worldwide sport that soccer currently is.
In essence I want to be the League Owner/Commisioner and recreate / expand the battles of the past.

That's a very interesting idea. I'm not sure if you'd even need to sim actual games, or need to know players beyond those that are the stars of your league.

I'd definitely give something like this a look, but I think it might be very difficult to create.

Bubba Wheels · 01-31-2004, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Storm

A Sports-League-Sim.
First you decide what sport you want your League to be in. Then you award franchises to the highest bidders or have them all League controlled, decide who plays the salaries, the rules of your league, if it has a salary cap or not etc.
Of course the other Sportleagues would be in battle for the fans with you. But not just those from the sport you chose, but those of the other sports as well.
You compete with them for the top college or maybe even high school players to enter your leagues draft and not that of the other league.
Currently the nfl is the league in the states. The usfl, ableit getting some of the top college players and former nfl stars failed miserably. Can you do it better?
Or do you want to make IceHockey the top sport?
Of course, it may not be based on the usa alone.
So expand the nfl, make it the worldwide sport that soccer currently is.
In essence I want to be the League Owner/Commisioner and recreate / expand the battles of the past.

This one would interest me, alot.

GrantDawg · 01-31-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

*takes out tape recorder*
*presses record*

Note to self - Create an all-inclusive, CM immerive like NASCAR sim and then charge JonInMiddleGA $70,000 for it.

*presses stop*

Are you really Norm MacDonald?

GrantDawg · 01-31-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by StormcloudCreations

Hmmmmmm....*writing lots of ideas down*

NASCAR sim? As in race cars? Really? People would pay for this (more than just JohninMiddleGA and amdaily)? The only weird part would be having to actually watch the races on TV for "research"....

I don't think there is anyway to over-estimate the interest in a game like this. Seriously, a deep game that take into account all that goes into building a race team, finding sponsors, building cars and keeping them running without going bankrupt would sell well. If you incorporate raceway elements such as pit strategies and such, it would be an added bonus.

RPI-Fan · 01-31-2004, 04:28 PM

As much as I hate neckcar, if a sim were well done, I'd be willing to give it a shot.

That said, a golf sim is on the top of my wishlist, and tennis is 2nd.

GrantDawg · 01-31-2004, 04:32 PM

Well I hate golf. Only bigots like golf, but if a golf sim was well done I'd play it.

Tekneek · 01-31-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

As much as I hate neckcar, if a sim were well done, I'd be willing to give it a shot.

Are you a clone?

JonInMiddleGA · 01-31-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't think there is anyway to over-estimate the interest in a game like this. Seriously, a deep game that take into account all that goes into building a race team, finding sponsors, building cars and keeping them running without going bankrupt would sell well. If you incorporate raceway elements such as pit strategies and such, it would be an added bonus.

And as a double-bonus (for the developer at least), if anyone ever mastered the details, it seems as though it'd be tweakable for the creation of separate products for both F1 and U.S. open wheel (Indy, CART, or a re-combination).

The details & influences are different for each and the weight of various factors varies, but the basic mechanics of the business aren't wholly unrelated; i.e. You've got to build a team, find a sponsor, prepare a car, hire & retain drivers, etc no matter what format you're racing)

RPI-Fan · 01-31-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

Are you a clone?

I used to listen a lot, but for this instance the term seems to fit, so I threw it in there.

Fido · 01-31-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I've said it several times, it won't hurt to say it again.

If anybody ever manages to capture the NASCAR experience in a text sim, I'd likely be willing to mortgage my house to buy it and lose my business from the time spent playing it.

This is in intriguing. What would you see your role (as a player) as being? Team owner? Crew Chief? Driver (a la ITP)?

Aylmar · 01-31-2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Airhog

A Racing Sim

I think this has to be the number 1 untapped text-sim market. Grandprix manager was fairly decent, and F1 Manager had to many bugs to make it a serious contender. I kept this pretty broad, but there are many different sims you could produce under the racing genre. Nascar, Open Wheeled racing, Road Racing, Sprint Car Racing, Motorcycles, etc. I personally feel it is just a matter of time before someone comes out with a decent game here.

I worked on a NASCAR sim for about six months. I wasn't having any fun with it, so I junked it. I guess I just wasn't into NASCAR enough to make it enjoyable. I agree that it would be a good market, though.

amdaily · 01-31-2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't think there is anyway to over-estimate the interest in a game like this. Seriously, a deep game that take into account all that goes into building a race team, finding sponsors, building cars and keeping them running without going bankrupt would sell well. If you incorporate raceway elements such as pit strategies and such, it would be an added bonus.

I agree. I'm by no means a huge NASCAR fan. How people can site there and watch cars circle around a track for hours on end, I don't know

. But the whole process would make for an intriguing and very deep text sim.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-31-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fido

This is in intriguing. What would you see your role (as a player) as being? Team owner? Crew Chief? Driver (a la ITP)?

I'm pretty much looking at this from the top down, so team owner is what I'd want. I've got zero interest in crew chiefing since I'm not a mech-tech guru, and even less than zero interest at approaching it from a driver p.o.v.

But making hire/fire decisions, making choices about who to hire & how to allocate the resources, etc., and then seeing the results unfold, I'd probably play forever.

Fido · 01-31-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm pretty much looking at this from the top down, so team owner is what I'd want. I've got zero interest in crew chiefing since I'm not a mech-tech guru, and even less than zero interest at approaching it from a driver p.o.v.

But making hire/fire decisions, making choices about who to hire & how to allocate the resources, etc., and then seeing the results unfold, I'd probably play forever.

Are you just looking for this game to be made or are you willing to help? I've spent like a half hour or so thinking on this, and realize that I have about 20 questions that I would need to answer before I could do such a game. Can I PM you for some guidance?

McSweeny · 01-31-2004, 08:07 PM

how about a message board sim? you could recreate FOFC and play out alternate histories. What would happen if HM had NOT been banned? What if SkyDog went crazy? What if PEOPLE LOST POSTS?? Endless possibilities

JonInMiddleGA · 01-31-2004, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fido

Are you just looking for this game to be made or are you willing to help? I've spent like a half hour or so thinking on this, and realize that I have about 20 questions that I would need to answer before I could do such a game. Can I PM you for some guidance?

You're welcome to PM me with 20 questions, but I'll warn you in advance:
unless you're very familiar with NASCAR, I'm betting there'll be a lot more than 20 questions before a product hits the mark

Along those lines, I'll also start trying to convert some of the thoughts that go with my slowly developing dice-and-chart notion into something on paper, that might also shed some light into the dark corners.

QuikSand · 01-31-2004, 08:27 PM

A well-done thoroughbred horseracing sim, marrying that sport with all the traditional elements of career-style sims, would be wonderful. For a niche that has attracted several different tries, most have fallen grievously short in one fashion or another.

Icy · 01-31-2004, 08:36 PM

I thinking on an online text sim to develop on my free time as i'm a web programmer/designer. Something like hattrick but not for soccer, i have thought on the olimpic games idea soem time ago, starting with some kids to make them atlethes, having to manage training, diets, etc including dopping with some pros and lots of cons. Then manage this guys careers from local teams to the olimpic games. As it would involve tons of sports, mybe would be a so big project, but i'm thinking again on the idea as some of you named it.

miami_fan · 01-31-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha

A sports agent sim/public relations officer sim.

Many possibilities for either option, you can be head of a PR firm for leading or minor celebrities, you can have sports stars from a wide variety of sports as an agent.

I like the sports agent one......that way I can convince some FOF GM to sign a 11 yr LG with 12 current and 14 potential to a six year contract with a $8 million bonus!

tucker342 · 01-31-2004, 10:33 PM

global political sim, and I also like T-Storm's idea

tucker342 · 01-31-2004, 10:34 PM

dola-

I hate Nascar, but if there was a well done text sim of it, I would probably buy it

dacman · 02-01-2004, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

A well-done thoroughbred horseracing sim, marrying that sport with all the traditional elements of career-style sims, would be wonderful. For a niche that has attracted several different tries, most have fallen grievously short in one fashion or another.

**Drool**

Franklinnoble · 02-01-2004, 01:35 AM

I agree with Quiksand... we need a comprehensive thoroughbred racing text sim.

Oh, and they already have a curling sim. I shit you not.

yabanci · 02-01-2004, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

What about Title Bout from OOTP Developments,...was that any good???

Title Bout is excellent for what it is, which right now is basically a replay game rather than a career sim. Using a baseball analogy, it's more like Diamond Mind Baseball than it is like OOTP. The Title Bout sim engine has been developed in various forms for more than 20 years, and it is very solid and produces realistic results. The pbp is superb. Since there are no licensing issues, it has actual fighters and years have been put into rating them for the most accurate results.

They are working on turning it into an OOTP-style career sim for the next version, and I have a feeling it will then become a truly great sim, whether you are a boxing fan or not.

Sun Tzu · 02-01-2004, 02:48 AM

I think somebody should create a draft sim complete with "mckerneyish" folk who ruin all of the fun for everyone. One strict rule is there shall be NO MOCK DRAFTS, as they obviously give away all of the best draft picks for those who are unprepared for say the people most likely to die a virgin draft. I mean, it might be totaly obvious to most people that The Afoci would be the top pick, but there are some out there who possibly haven't heard of him...well maybe.

DanGarion · 02-01-2004, 03:07 AM

A NASCAR sim would be great. I have become a big fan of NASCAR and honestly being able to be a owner and that type of stuff would really interesting. Honestly something like that COULD be so deep. Especially if it took it deep enough where the young racers were racing in other leagues as kids (ie gocart) and then some would develop as they were signed by you and go into both Busch and Truck series. After that they would eventually become full fledged Nextel Cup guys. Autoracing can be an extremely deep concept if you get it right and would have amazing replay value as a career text sim.

Honolulu Blue · 02-01-2004, 04:53 AM

I've mentioned before my interest in a career auto racing sim. I'm glad to see a few of our programmer friends have finally noticed. I still think, if done well, it will sell well enough to make a decent profit.

I also echo the desire for a better thoroughbred career sim.

Flame Eater · 02-01-2004, 09:55 AM

NASCAR with depth...yes. It's the fastest growing sport around, and everybody has a computer these days.

I grew up near Indy with open wheel, but a good NASCAR sim would be fun.

01-30-2004, 11:46 PM	#4
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I've said it several times, it won't hurt to say it again. If anybody ever manages to capture the NASCAR experience in a text sim, I'd likely be willing to mortgage my house to buy it and lose my business from the time spent playing it. I've gotten so desperate that I'm even slowly working on some ideas for a campaign-style tabletop game myself. Beyond that, someone managing to conquer high school football would be my next wishlist item. Alas, I believe that might be a harder nut to crack than NASCAR. The volume of data alone would be staggering. Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 01-30-2004 at 11:48 PM.

01-30-2004, 11:48 PM	#5
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	takes out tape recorder presses record Note to self - Create an all-inclusive, CM immerive like NASCAR sim and then charge JonInMiddleGA $70,000 for it. presses stop Last edited by sabotai : 01-30-2004 at 11:48 PM.

01-31-2004, 12:18 AM	#8
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	A cross dressing sim. Neuqua keeps asking me if I know of one, and I just want him to leave me alone. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

01-31-2004, 12:46 AM	#9
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	I can't believe 8 posts in and no one has mentioned Curling. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

01-31-2004, 01:30 AM	#11
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	A Ryder Cup golf sim as one the two captains. It could be combined with a regular golf sim so that could select to be a playing captain or not. __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise

01-30-2004, 11:14 PM	#2
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	For stock market sims I think Wall Street Raider is current and quite enjoyable as a text sim.

01-30-2004, 11:53 PM	#6
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	an awesome boxing sim. and, a better computer hacking sim.

01-31-2004, 12:03 AM	#7
amdaily College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003	Boxing, NASCAR, and a combat sim get my votes.

01-31-2004, 12:50 AM	#10
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	In all seriousness, what I'm missing is a global political sim and a career boxing sim with an editor.

01-31-2004, 01:37 AM	#12
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	2 sims I would like to see (that have not been mentioned yet) A tennis sim. In this game you would act as an agent, managing the careers of several (however many you want) tennis players. Entering them in challengers up to grand slams and the olympics. Negotiating sponcer deals and trying to maximize you intake while pleasing your players at the same time. A horse racing sim. A racing sim that lets you own horses and do what you can in real life. "Rent" out studs or owning mares and breeding them to auction off the yearlings and two-year olds. Entering them into cheap claiming races up to the highest stakes. Trying to secure top jockeys to ride your horses, and quality trainers to make them into champions.

01-31-2004, 04:14 AM	#14
Mountain Mascot Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Columbia, S.C.	I've thought a little bit about the high school football sim as well. I think what would be cool about it would be player assessment and training. For instance, each player who tries to come out for your football team wouold have a set of attributes, i.e. speed, agility, strength, intelligence, etc.and it would be up to you as a coach to determine where to place and develop them on the team. The players could also have some preset ideas as to what positions they would prefer to play to make them more resistant or pliable to the position. A game like this could also add some immersion levels by trying to convince the 6'3 280 sophmore bemehoth who plays the violin to come out for the football team. Also there would be a certain amount of older players coming in to the school district by parents relocating to the area additionally you could also lose some of your players to parents moving family situations shanging or whatever. Also if the player performs poorly in school or is a disciplinary problem would be interesting as well. I think the fun in a game like this would be having a pool of raw talent and then developing it over time wiht training and experinece from playing games. Also you could face the age old decisions of cocahes. Do I force players to adapt to my system, or do I change my offense and defense based on the abilities of my players? I think a sim like this could be very doable if you didn't try to incoporate all fifty states at one time. Just use one state at a time. Just some thoughts.

01-31-2004, 09:11 AM	#16
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	What about Title Bout from OOTP Developments,...was that any good???

01-31-2004, 09:20 AM	#17
T-Storm n00b Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vienna, Austria	A Sports-League-Sim. First you decide what sport you want your League to be in. Then you award franchises to the highest bidders or have them all League controlled, decide who plays the salaries, the rules of your league, if it has a salary cap or not etc. Of course the other Sportleagues would be in battle for the fans with you. But not just those from the sport you chose, but those of the other sports as well. You compete with them for the top college or maybe even high school players to enter your leagues draft and not that of the other league. Currently the nfl is the league in the states. The usfl, ableit getting some of the top college players and former nfl stars failed miserably. Can you do it better? Or do you want to make IceHockey the top sport? Of course, it may not be based on the usa alone. So expand the nfl, make it the worldwide sport that soccer currently is. In essence I want to be the League Owner/Commisioner and recreate / expand the battles of the past.

01-31-2004, 10:31 AM	#19
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Ah I forgot about golf and teniis, curling has a sim already, im not sure if it is a text sim or actually has gameplay included. Horseracing has several sims out there, however none of them are really that good, and should probably be included. Computer hacking has several sims, with uplink being the newest. Im not sure how much better they can make a hacking sim, without having you actually write code and such. Boxing does have one option, but without a career mode as this time, it really can't compete. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

01-31-2004, 12:54 PM	#21
StormcloudCreations Uniter of Men Join Date: Nov 2003	Hmmmmmm....writing lots of ideas down NASCAR sim? As in race cars? Really? People would pay for this (more than just JohninMiddleGA and amdaily)? The only weird part would be having to actually watch the races on TV for "research".... __________________ Derek Stormcloud Creations www.stormcloudcreations.com

01-31-2004, 12:56 PM	#22
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Just buy a 6-pack or cheap domestic beer and pick up one of those Auto Trader things. That's all you need to know to make a NASCAR sim... (KIDDING!) Last edited by sabotai : 01-31-2004 at 12:57 PM.

01-31-2004, 04:28 PM	#27
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	As much as I hate neckcar, if a sim were well done, I'd be willing to give it a shot. That said, a golf sim is on the top of my wishlist, and tennis is 2nd. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

01-31-2004, 04:32 PM	#28
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Well I hate golf. Only bigots like golf, but if a golf sim was well done I'd play it.

01-31-2004, 08:07 PM	#37
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	how about a message board sim? you could recreate FOFC and play out alternate histories. What would happen if HM had NOT been banned? What if SkyDog went crazy? What if PEOPLE LOST POSTS?? Endless possibilities

01-31-2004, 08:27 PM	#39
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	A well-done thoroughbred horseracing sim, marrying that sport with all the traditional elements of career-style sims, would be wonderful. For a niche that has attracted several different tries, most have fallen grievously short in one fashion or another.

01-31-2004, 08:36 PM	#40
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	I thinking on an online text sim to develop on my free time as i'm a web programmer/designer. Something like hattrick but not for soccer, i have thought on the olimpic games idea soem time ago, starting with some kids to make them atlethes, having to manage training, diets, etc including dopping with some pros and lots of cons. Then manage this guys careers from local teams to the olimpic games. As it would involve tons of sports, mybe would be a so big project, but i'm thinking again on the idea as some of you named it. __________________

01-31-2004, 10:33 PM	#42
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	global political sim, and I also like T-Storm's idea

01-31-2004, 10:34 PM	#43
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	dola- I hate Nascar, but if there was a well done text sim of it, I would probably buy it

02-01-2004, 01:35 AM	#45
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I agree with Quiksand... we need a comprehensive thoroughbred racing text sim. Oh, and they already have a curling sim. I shit you not.

02-01-2004, 02:48 AM	#47
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	I think somebody should create a draft sim complete with "mckerneyish" folk who ruin all of the fun for everyone. One strict rule is there shall be NO MOCK DRAFTS, as they obviously give away all of the best draft picks for those who are unprepared for say the people most likely to die a virgin draft. I mean, it might be totaly obvious to most people that The Afoci would be the top pick, but there are some out there who possibly haven't heard of him...well maybe. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

02-01-2004, 03:07 AM	#48
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: PNW	A NASCAR sim would be great. I have become a big fan of NASCAR and honestly being able to be a owner and that type of stuff would really interesting. Honestly something like that COULD be so deep. Especially if it took it deep enough where the young racers were racing in other leagues as kids (ie gocart) and then some would develop as they were signed by you and go into both Busch and Truck series. After that they would eventually become full fledged Nextel Cup guys. Autoracing can be an extremely deep concept if you get it right and would have amazing replay value as a career text sim. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

02-01-2004, 04:53 AM	#49
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	I've mentioned before my interest in a career auto racing sim. I'm glad to see a few of our programmer friends have finally noticed. I still think, if done well, it will sell well enough to make a decent profit. I also echo the desire for a better thoroughbred career sim.

02-01-2004, 09:55 AM	#50
Flame Eater H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Albany, NY	NASCAR with depth...yes. It's the fastest growing sport around, and everybody has a computer these days. I grew up near Indy with open wheel, but a good NASCAR sim would be fun.

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