FOFC Poker Night - tonight 2/8 at PartyPoker

[cthomer5000]

Ok... i kind of (well, really) get the impression that this is not going to happen, but i guess i'll give it a shot. We'd previously talked about a Sunday night .50/1 game at Party, and tonight was the supposed starting night, as determined a few weeks ago.

I've gone ahead and set up a private table at PartyPoker, and will sit there awaiting anyone to join while I play elsewhere.

table: cthomer5000's private table
password: fofc
game: Texas Hold 'Em
stakes: $.50/1


come one, come al. maybe we can actually get a game going.

[cthomer5000]

dancing with myself, oh oh oh oh

[RPI-Fan]

I'm there, now....

[cthomer5000]

Well, it was about 40 minutes of RPI and I playing heads up. Maybe we can get some more of you bums involved next week.

I'll post a hand history on the final hand - it was the only one of note.

[Marmel]

I missed you by a few minutes.

[cthomer5000]

***** Hand History for Game 382085103 *****
0.50/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Sun Feb 08 21:55:01 EST 2004
Table cthomer5000's pvt table 1 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: cthomer5000 ( $30.50)
Seat 10: rsr28 ( $21)
rsr28 posts small blind (0.25)
cthomer5000 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cthomer5000 [ Qd, Kh ]
rsr28 calls (0.25)
cthomer5000 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, Ts, 9h ]
rsr28 bets (0.50)
cthomer5000 raises (1) to 1
rsr28 calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
rsr28 checks.
cthomer5000 bets (1)
rsr28 raises (2) to 2
cthomer5000 calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ Jh ]
rsr28 checks.
cthomer5000 bets (1)
rsr28 raises (2) to 2
cthomer5000 raises (2) to 3
rsr28 raises (2) to 4
cthomer5000 calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ 8h Ts 9h 8s Jh ]
cthomer5000 balance $23, lost $7.50 [ Qd Kh ] [ a straight, nine to king -- Kh,Qd,Jh,Ts,9h ]
rsr28 balance $27.75, bet $7.50, collected $14.25, net +$6.75 [ 8c Jc ] [ a full house, Eights full of jacks -- Jc,Jh,8c,8h,8s ]

[Marmel]

damn, i want to play now.

[RPI-Fan]

Anyone wanna' try again for 9pm EST next week?

[johnnyshaka]

I'm at Poker Stars...3am EST freeroll...still alive with about 300 players left.

Been a weird night...been down to nothing twice after losing big pots but have managed to claw my way back up to top stack both times.

Middle of the pack right now.

[SnowMan]

I'm in next week, if I'm not working.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Anyone wanna' try again for 9pm EST next week?

I'm in again.

[TLK]

I was planning on joining you guys, seeing as I finally put some money in at my PartyPoker account. I was playing in the AP Main Event and ended up finishing 5th, on a really stupid play. That was it for poker for the rest of the night....

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

I'm at Poker Stars...3am EST freeroll...still alive with about 300 players left.

Been a weird night...been down to nothing twice after losing big pots but have managed to claw my way back up to top stack both times.

Middle of the pack right now.

Man those tourneys are long. I've played two now that start with 5000 people and 3 hours later we are down to like 200 players. It's a fairly simple task to get to the final 100-200 but by the fourth hour or so I get antsy. I find it's more a battle of fatigue and will more than anything...went out at 152 yesterday because I decided to play 10c10h just out of boredom...

[johnnyshaka]

I know what you mean...rkmsuf...I went out at 137 I believe. I had AJ suited and eventually needed one card for a straight but lost to a guy who all-in'd with 32...can you believe it??

Oh well...that's freeroll for ya!!

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

I know what you mean...rkmsuf...I went out at 137 I believe. I had AJ suited and eventually needed one card for a straight but lost to a guy who all-in'd with 32...can you believe it??

Oh well...that's freeroll for ya!!

I got slowplayed with my 10 10 and had it been earlier I would have been conservative I think. Me and two others after the flop of 9 9 K...First guy checks, I made a small bet, two calls. Fourth was another K...Check to me, check, check.

At this point I figure I have the top pair and they are both waiting on a draw.

River was a 3; incidentially there was no flush possibility.

Check to me...brief thought then all in. Next guy folds and the f-ing other guy calls with pocket aces...

Finished 152...

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

I know what you mean...rkmsuf...I went out at 137 I believe. I had AJ suited and eventually needed one card for a straight but lost to a guy who all-in'd with 32...can you believe it??

Oh well...that's freeroll for ya!!

Saw you over at the PokerStars freeroll last night. What a pisser that was. At 10:30 I was the chip leader with about 300 people left. At 10:31 all their servers crash and every table on the site is put on "break". Gave up at 11:00 when it wasn't back up...serenity now!!!

[SirFozzie]

I will hopeflly be there, as I just got bumped in work days.. instead of guaranteed working Mon Tue Wed (and every other weekend), I work Wed Thur Fri (and every other weekend). But I work Sunday (2-noon, my last day of that shift before moving to 6-4)

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Check to me...brief thought then all in. Next guy folds and the f-ing other guy calls with pocket aces...

Slowplaying pocket aces here, and then calling an all-in bet with two pair on the board already, is a damned fine recipe for him to find himself on his ass. He got lucky to find you in a moment of weakness - he could have been way behind there.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Slowplaying pocket aces here, and then calling an all-in bet with two pair on the board already, is a damned fine recipe for him to find himself on his ass. He got lucky to find you in a moment of weakness - he could have been way behind there.

He hadn't shown anything like that in the many hands at that table. Total surprise and while frustrating, he got me...even though it was entirely possible I had a full boat and I was certain he did not...

Was geared up to make a serious run last night, had the lead and the freaking site dies. Jimmy is gettin upset...Jimmy doesn't like server crashes...server crashes and Jimmy, no...

[Huckleberry]

Quick question, when I select the option to create a private table at PartyPoker (just to test it out), I get the message that "Private tables are not available at this time. Please try again later." I currently don't have any money in there but am considering making a deposit.

Does that error message go away if I have real money in my account?

[SplitPersonality1]

I will try to be there next week.

Of course, I am having such a good time feasting on the schools of fish at the other tables at PP, I may not be able to tear myself away to play at a friendly table.

[Huckleberry]

Bumping it to the top for an answer to my previous question. I can't get a response from their e-mail or phone help services due to the "network problems".

[RPI-Fan]

Just server issues, I think, Huckleberry. For another private table I was getting this message for a while, then 10 minutes later is mysteriously worked...

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Saw you over at the PokerStars freeroll last night. What a pisser that was. At 10:30 I was the chip leader with about 300 people left. At 10:31 all their servers crash and every table on the site is put on "break". Gave up at 11:00 when it wasn't back up...serenity now!!!

Hmmm...glad I went out early then. Afterwars, ended up playing an Omaha tourney over at Absolute Poker...finished 31 I think. Best showing at Omaha yet. Tough game, a lot more to think about with 4 cards down. Hi/Low is even worse...that game is just nuts!!!

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Hmmm...glad I went out early then. Afterwars, ended up playing an Omaha tourney over at Absolute Poker...finished 31 I think. Best showing at Omaha yet. Tough game, a lot more to think about with 4 cards down. Hi/Low is even worse...that game is just nuts!!!

I tried high low once. It was my first time playing it and I learned going for the low hand is not for me. I lost quite a few big pots on that crap...

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I tried high low once. It was my first time playing it and I learned going for the low hand is not for me. I lost quite a few big pots on that crap...

That low hand seems kind of counter productive to me. It rewards the guys who like to bet each and every hand even if they don't have squat...cause there's always a chance that the flop will open up the oppurtunity to win money with the crappiest hand. Silliness in my eyes.

[RPI-Fan]

I think you need to redefine your idea of "crappy hand".

A "bad hand" in Omaha is something more like 69JK. You aren't going to win all that many hands with those hole cards. In hold 'em, some of those two-card combos (J9, KJ, and even K6) can be pretty effective. Not so in Omaha.

Staying in with, say, 235K or something is a good play in Omaha if there is a lot of preflop calls - if you flop Ace you have a pretty good draw. While in Omaha high you'd never stay with 235K, it can be a solid hand in HiLo.

I think.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I think you need to redefine your idea of "crappy hand".

A "bad hand" in Omaha is something more like 69JK. You aren't going to win all that many hands with those hole cards. In hold 'em, some of those two-card combos (J9, KJ, and even K6) can be pretty effective. Not so in Omaha.

Staying in with, say, 235K or something is a good play in Omaha if there is a lot of preflop calls - if you flop Ace you have a pretty good draw. While in Omaha high you'd never stay with 235K, it can be a solid hand in HiLo.

I think.

I don't have time for all that...

[RPI-Fan]

FWIW, I was responding to johnnyshaka's post about people who bet with anythign and everything.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I think you need to redefine your idea of "crappy hand".

A "bad hand" in Omaha is something more like 69JK. You aren't going to win all that many hands with those hole cards. In hold 'em, some of those two-card combos (J9, KJ, and even K6) can be pretty effective. Not so in Omaha.

Staying in with, say, 235K or something is a good play in Omaha if there is a lot of preflop calls - if you flop Ace you have a pretty good draw. While in Omaha high you'd never stay with 235K, it can be a solid hand in HiLo.

I think.

That's the thing with Hi/Lo...I'd feel much more comfortable going into a hand with 69JK than I would with 235K because my odds of winning the Hi are much better than with the second hand. With the second hand, the only way you have a shot at Hi is with a low straight and in Omaha, straights are much more common than Hold'em, therefore not as strong...IMHO. So, if the sole reason you are calling with the second hand is to win Lo hand, then that's rather silly because it all depends on the board...if you don't get any Lo cards on the flop, you just wasted your time and money. Better yet, what if you flop A89?? Do you call to see another card??

I am by no means an expert in poker, let alone Hi/Lo Omaha...but, IMHO, if you are playing hands to try and win the low, you are somebody I'd really love at my table.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

That's the thing with Hi/Lo...I'd feel much more comfortable going into a hand with 69JK than I would with 235K because my odds of winning the Hi are much better than with the second hand. With the second hand, the only way you have a shot at Hi is with a low straight and in Omaha, straights are much more common than Hold'em, there not as strong...IMHO. So, if the sole reason you are calling with the second hand is to win Lo hand, then that's rather silly because it all depends on the board...if you don't get any Lo cards on the flop, you just wasted your time and money. Better yet, what if you flop A89?? Do you call to see another card??

I am by no means an expert in poker, let alone Hi/Lo Omaha...but, IMHO, if you are playing hands to try and win the low, you are somebody I'd really love at my table.

Try playing like a 2357 and catching a 2. Quite fun...

[QuikSand]

In Omaha Hi/Lo, if you're playing a hand without an ace, it had better have a lot of other stuff to like.

Actually, since so many card players have the attitude expressed above, if you can get comfortable with the hi/lo concepts, there's often a lot of money to be made there. Basic rule of thumb to follow, for me, is if you're going to only play for half of the pot, you'd damned well better be VERY strong for that half. You don't really win much money in Omaha by winning half-pots... you win by sweeping (getting the low, and then picking up a straight or flush to also grab the high). Back to the value of the ace... which is infinitely more powerful in Omaha or any hi/lo game than in hold 'em.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

That's the thing with Hi/Lo...I'd feel much more comfortable going into a hand with 69JK than I would with 235K because my odds of winning the Hi are much better than with the second hand.

Not really. With that piece of shit hand, your chances of wining the high are pretty lousy... probably only if you wander into the nut straight. Not worth playing, not even close.

The lower hand might be worth playing, but only if the king suits up with exactly one of your other cards. Depends on the table, I reckon.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You don't really win much money in Omaha by winning half-pots...

Exactly...so why would you play a hand where you have to ensure that there are at least 3 Lo cards on the board to win the whole pot?? If you are counting on there being a Lo pot to win every hand you play, then you are going to be donating a lot of money needlessly.

Again...not very familiar with the game...but, this just seems like common sense to me.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Not really. With that piece of shit hand, your chances of wining the high are pretty lousy... probably only if you wander into the nut straight. Not worth playing, not even close.

The lower hand might be worth playing, but only if the king suits up with exactly one of your other cards. Depends on the table, I reckon.

So, would the first hand be a better bet if the K were suited with any of the other cards??

[QuikSand]

When you are dealt hands that include A-2 in them, you've got a huge chance to make a huge hand. Yes, it's for half the pot, but it's big nonetheless. With absolutely nothing else, this shoudln't be overplayed... but when you have A2 with some other potential (suited card with the ace, for instance) you have a wonderful hi/lo hand, and need to play that hard.

The thing about low hands is that they are very stable. Unless your cards get countefeited, your A2 wins, period. Doesn't matter whether the low cards on the board are 4-5-8 or 3-6-7 or 3-4-5... A-2 is still the nut low. There are many more ways to make A-2 hold up for half the pot than any two-card combination for the high payoff.

Yes, playing for low means that sometimes it just doesn't happen. But if you're playing mostly high cards in a hi/lo game, you're welcome at my table any time... you're dead money.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

So, would the first hand be a better bet if the K were suited with any of the other cards??

Yes. Preferably (by far) exactly one of them.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

When you are dealt hands that include A-2 in them, you've got a huge chance to make a huge hand. Yes, it's for half the pot, but it's big nonetheless. With absolutely nothing else, this shoudln't be overplayed... but when you have A2 with some other potential (suited card with the ace, for instance) you have a wonderful hi/lo hand, and need to play that hard.

The thing about low hands is that they are very stable. Unless your cards get countefeited, your A2 wins, period. Doesn't matter whether the low cards on the board are 4-5-8 or 3-6-7 or 3-4-5... A-2 is still the nut low. There are many more ways to make A-2 hold up for half the pot than any two-card combination for the high payoff.

Yes, playing for low means that sometimes it just doesn't happen. But if you're playing mostly high cards in a hi/lo game, you're welcome at my table any time... you're dead money.

That makes perfect sense...A2...preferably suited...would be the best two cards. The other two cards shouldn't really figure in your decision to call, right??

Now, say your A2 are not suited...still worth playing?? Assuming that neither of your other two cards are suited with the A, of course.

[QuikSand]

Generally, I will call with any and including A2, suited or otherwise. However, you want to have something else to look for... maybe just another high card (to hope for a big straight), or maybe a pair, but the hand certainly get a lot better when you have ways to win both the high ad low sides. The other way that an A2 hand improves is if you have a "backup" low card -- ideally a 3, but a 4 is okay, also. That way, if you counterfeit one of your A-2 cards, you can still be in the hunt for low.

It is, as you suggest, common sense: As-Ad-2s-3d is a MUCH better hand than, say, As-9d-2s-6h.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Generally, I will call with any and including A2, suited or otherwise. However, you want to have something else to look for... maybe just another high card (to hope for a big straight), or maybe a pair, but the hand certainly get a lot better when you have ways to win both the high ad low sides. The other way that an A2 hand improves is if you have a "backup" low card -- ideally a 3, but a 4 is okay, also. That way, if you counterfeit one of your A-2 cards, you can still be in the hunt for low.

It is, as you suggest, common sense: As-Ad-2s-3d is a MUCH better hand than, say, As-9d-2s-6h.

Again, makes sense. Thanks.

[Chubby]

example A of why I don't like hi/low games I gotta learn Omaha regular 1st lol

[MJ4H]

Omaha hi/lo is my favorite game these days.