Why doesn't Jim churn us for money every year?

rpommier · 02-22-2004, 09:17 PM

Looking at the OOTP cycle and the inevitable TPF2... I wonder why Jim doesn't ? I'm quit sure he could go once a year with:

FOF2005 - The Pro Bowl
FOF2006 - Expanded off-Season problems for players,
FOF2007 - The GUI Update
FOF2008 - Graphical representation of plays
FOF2009 - Expanded Coach Profiles
FOF2010 - Expanded Stadium module

Roderick

JeeberD · 02-22-2004, 09:19 PM

Jim's got morals...

Easy Mac · 02-22-2004, 09:19 PM

FOF4 was released the year before 2k4.

Ksyrup · 02-22-2004, 09:24 PM

I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a shot at Marcus, but I think every version of OOTP that I've bought has been enough of an improvement to warrant a full release. Honestly, I think Jim is further along with what he wants to do with his games so that he doesn't have a number of items to add/fix every year. The core of FOF is solid; OOTP6 is about to feature an entirely new rating system. The trade-off is that FOF stops short of being the end-all, be-all of football sims - no customization, etc., whereas OOTP has everything you'd want, but is lacking at the core.

rpommier · 02-22-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a shot at Marcus, but I think every version of OOTP that I've bought has been enough of an improvement to warrant a full release.

Oh no, no shot at Markus... Guess I shoud've also included the Mogul Series and Strat-o-matic too. I have OOTP3 and 4, I just stopped there because I'm not really in to baseball all that much...

Just wondering why Jim doesn't see the need to piece-out yearly version of his sports-sim when everyone else does.

Roderick

JeeberD · 02-22-2004, 09:44 PM

EA tried to do that with FOF...

VPI97 · 02-22-2004, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rpommier

Just wondering why Jim doesn't see the need to piece-out yearly version of his sports-sim when everyone else does.

...

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Jim's got morals...

amdaily · 02-22-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rpommier

Guess I shoud've also included the Mogul Series

What's going on with Mogul lately? It once had so much promise, but 6 years later it's basically the same game

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Easy Mac · 02-22-2004, 09:49 PM

Clay seems to have a different kind of fanbase... occasionally I like a simple game, but not often.

Ksyrup · 02-22-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rpommier

Oh no, no shot at Markus... Guess I shoud've also included the Mogul Series and Strat-o-matic too. I have OOTP3 and 4, I just stopped there because I'm not really in to baseball all that much...

Just wondering why Jim doesn't see the need to piece-out yearly version of his sports-sim when everyone else does.

Roderick

I wasn't referring to you, more JeeberD.

sterlingice · 02-22-2004, 10:09 PM

Yeah, he's a lot nicer than EA and everyone else in the console business but I know a lot of people who still go out and have to buy the new version or Madden every f'ing year (this year with more "BOOM!" and nothing else).

SI

Easy Mac · 02-22-2004, 10:10 PM

well, NCAA gets better every year, so thats understandable, but I can do without each madden.

tucker342 · 02-22-2004, 10:14 PM

Actually I thought they added quite abit to Madden this year.... But I'm glad Jim adds so much stuff to his game every year...

tucker342 · 02-22-2004, 10:15 PM

dola-

About Baseball Mogul

Quote:

And while the graphics and player-specific animations have always been a strong point to the Slugfest series, one thing that has been lacking in the past has been the kind of depth found in competing baseball franchises. Midway has addressed that point in a big way, acquiring the rights to the Baseball Mogul engine to implement into their franchise mode.

And for those who don't know, acquiring Baseball Mogul for your franchise is like adding A-Rod to your lineup. It's the recognized leader in baseball simulators, and while it remains to be seen how a serious simulation blends with the beanballs and brawls of a typical Slugfest matchup, the thought of seeing Mogul make it's way onto consoles in one form or another is tantalizing to say the least.

From IGN.com
preview of MLB SlugFest: Loaded

Easy Mac · 02-22-2004, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker342

dola-

About Baseball Mogul

I think adding Mogul is like adding K-Rod to your team.

And I remember Microsoft tried this back in 2001 or something with their PC game. I bought it and it was shit... every player was named snake as the career progressed.

JeeberD · 02-22-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I wasn't referring to you, more JeeberD.

Me? No, I really wasn't trying to take a shot at Markus. Hell, I own and enjoy OOTP5. Plus, you really gotta love a german guy who can make the best baseball sim out there...

FBPro · 02-22-2004, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I think adding Mogul is like adding K-Rod to your team.

And I remember Microsoft tried this back in 2001 or something with their PC game. I bought it and it was shit... every player was named snake as the career progressed.

hehe

AgPete · 02-22-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

EA tried to do that with FOF...

God that was a terrible game! They didn't jack to that sequel other than slightly alter the rosters and adjust ratings for any obvious stars. If I recall, they even kept the fictional bench warmer names in the next version from the first EA roster.

Easy Mac · 02-22-2004, 10:27 PM

I bought FOF2002 because I never had a pro FOF before... worst game ever. I forgot what a major bug was, but man, it had a hughe bug that totally fucked up the game, and EA never fixed it. I returned the game, but somehow the liscence still worked on the old computer, so I could have kept it for free if I wanted.

stevew · 02-22-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I bought FOF2002 because I never had a pro FOF before... worst game ever. I forgot what a major bug was, but man, it had a hughe bug that totally fucked up the game, and EA never fixed it. I returned the game, but somehow the liscence still worked on the old computer, so I could have kept it for free if I wanted.

IT was something to do with contracts. Guys would play a phantom year for no money.

MizzouRah · 02-22-2004, 11:17 PM

I think people mis-understand how much different baseball and football are, at least from a programming standpoint. Not that I'm a programmer and know first hand, but so many programmers try to get baseball right and so many fail.

Isn't ironic that a guy from Germany has the leading career baseball sim?

I don't know what version FBCB is as far as releases go, but I'm amazed at the amount of data stored in something as big as the college scene. Baseball just seems like there is so much going on, similar to the college sport. It's funny seeing companies like EA just now in 2004, having features such as minor leagues. Some text sim virgin is all jacked up looking at AA and AAA players, something us text simmers take for granted.

With so much going on underneath, I'm amazed at how much is right with the group of text sim programmers we currently support.

Todd

Easy Mac · 02-22-2004, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I don't know what version FBCB is as far as releases go, but I'm amazed at the amount of data stored in something as big as the college scene.
Todd

FBCB is on version 1, though I think the parent game, FBB, is on version 2 or 3.

mckerney · 02-22-2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Me? No, I really wasn't trying to take a shot at Markus. Hell, I own OOTP5 and enjoy finishing behind mckerney in MLBEuro. Plus, you really gotta love a german guy who can make the best baseball sim out there...

I feel the same.

JeeberD · 02-22-2004, 11:47 PM

It's injuries, I tell you. Injuries!

mckerney · 02-22-2004, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

It's injuries, I tell you. Injuries!

Was it injuries in my first year when I went to the championship series and you didn't make the playoffs?

yabanci · 02-22-2004, 11:54 PM

I hope he does put out a new version every year.

JeeberD · 02-22-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Was it injuries in my first year when I went to the championship series and you didn't make the playoffs?

I still don't know how you made the finals, but you being in the easiest division and my being in the toughest division certainly helped you get into the playoffs...

mckerney · 02-23-2004, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I still don't know how you made the finals, but you being in the easiest division and my being in the toughest division certainly helped you get into the playoffs...

Don't try to confuse me with the facts...

sterlingice · 02-23-2004, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Don't try to confuse me with the facts...

"Germans?"
"Forget it. He's rolling"

SI

mckerney · 02-23-2004, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

"Germans?"
"Forget it. He's rolling"

SI

I was thinking more News Radio than Animal House.

sterlingice · 02-23-2004, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

I was thinking more News Radio than Animal House.

I didn't know the exact quote so I was just going with something similar.

SI

mckerney · 02-23-2004, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I didn't know the exact quote so I was just going with something similar.

SI

It works.

JeeberD · 02-23-2004, 02:48 AM

So am I Bluto, Otter, or Boon?

Honolulu Blue · 02-23-2004, 04:10 AM

I'm glad Jim doesn't - or at least doesn't plan to - charge for the same old game every year.

I'd be happy with a rotating schedule that looks like this:

2004 - TCY
2005 - new game
2006 - FOF
2007 - TCY
etc.

Francis_Cole · 02-23-2004, 05:19 AM

As long as the game is not just a "data update" I like games which come out every year. For example Madden etc.

Ksyrup · 02-23-2004, 06:58 AM

"...acquiring Baseball Mogul for your franchise is like adding A-Rod to your lineup. It's the recognized leader in baseball simulators..."

That is really a ridiculous statement. If this was 1999, that might be true. Hell, even if you think BBM is still a great game, I find it impossible to suggest that it is the "recognized leader in baseball simulators" with a straight face. At the very least, it has a solid competitor in OOTP. IN reality, OOTP passed and lapped BBM around 2002.

I hate marketing hyperbole.

HornedFrog Purple · 02-23-2004, 08:53 AM

I would be in heaven if he would be greedy and put out a TCY every other year.

The_herd · 02-23-2004, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HornedFrog Purple

I would be in heaven if he would be greedy and put out a TCY every other year.

If heaven is Ft. Leavenworth after I end up AWOL, then I'm there with ya.

mckerney · 02-23-2004, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

So am I Bluto, Otter, or Boon?

You're obviously Matthew.

druez · 02-24-2004, 09:11 AM

Jim has put a new football game every year hasn't he? One year brake by doing college football.

But, I remember FOF, then 2 EA games, then TCY, then FOF4 and now FOF 2004.

I wish he would do a new college and pro football game every year. I know I would buy them. I've never been disappointed in a Sol product yet.

02-22-2004, 09:19 PM	#2
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Jim's got morals... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-22-2004, 09:24 PM	#4
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a shot at Marcus, but I think every version of OOTP that I've bought has been enough of an improvement to warrant a full release. Honestly, I think Jim is further along with what he wants to do with his games so that he doesn't have a number of items to add/fix every year. The core of FOF is solid; OOTP6 is about to feature an entirely new rating system. The trade-off is that FOF stops short of being the end-all, be-all of football sims - no customization, etc., whereas OOTP has everything you'd want, but is lacking at the core. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-22-2004, 09:44 PM	#6
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	EA tried to do that with FOF... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-22-2004, 10:09 PM	#11
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yeah, he's a lot nicer than EA and everyone else in the console business but I know a lot of people who still go out and have to buy the new version or Madden every f'ing year (this year with more "BOOM!" and nothing else). SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

02-22-2004, 11:17 PM	#21
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I think people mis-understand how much different baseball and football are, at least from a programming standpoint. Not that I'm a programmer and know first hand, but so many programmers try to get baseball right and so many fail. Isn't ironic that a guy from Germany has the leading career baseball sim? I don't know what version FBCB is as far as releases go, but I'm amazed at the amount of data stored in something as big as the college scene. Baseball just seems like there is so much going on, similar to the college sport. It's funny seeing companies like EA just now in 2004, having features such as minor leagues. Some text sim virgin is all jacked up looking at AA and AAA players, something us text simmers take for granted. With so much going on underneath, I'm amazed at how much is right with the group of text sim programmers we currently support. Todd Last edited by MizzouRah : 02-22-2004 at 11:18 PM.

02-22-2004, 09:19 PM	#3
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	FOF4 was released the year before 2k4.

02-22-2004, 09:49 PM	#9
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Clay seems to have a different kind of fanbase... occasionally I like a simple game, but not often.

02-22-2004, 10:10 PM	#12
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	well, NCAA gets better every year, so thats understandable, but I can do without each madden.

02-22-2004, 10:14 PM	#13
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Actually I thought they added quite abit to Madden this year.... But I'm glad Jim adds so much stuff to his game every year...

02-22-2004, 10:27 PM	#19
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I bought FOF2002 because I never had a pro FOF before... worst game ever. I forgot what a major bug was, but man, it had a hughe bug that totally fucked up the game, and EA never fixed it. I returned the game, but somehow the liscence still worked on the old computer, so I could have kept it for free if I wanted.

02-22-2004, 11:47 PM	#24
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	It's injuries, I tell you. Injuries! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-22-2004, 11:54 PM	#26
yabanci College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2003	I hope he does put out a new version every year.

02-23-2004, 02:48 AM	#33
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	So am I Bluto, Otter, or Boon? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-23-2004, 04:10 AM	#34
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	I'm glad Jim doesn't - or at least doesn't plan to - charge for the same old game every year. I'd be happy with a rotating schedule that looks like this: 2004 - TCY 2005 - new game 2006 - FOF 2007 - TCY etc.

02-23-2004, 05:19 AM	#35
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	As long as the game is not just a "data update" I like games which come out every year. For example Madden etc. __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

02-23-2004, 06:58 AM	#36
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	"...acquiring Baseball Mogul for your franchise is like adding A-Rod to your lineup. It's the recognized leader in baseball simulators..." That is really a ridiculous statement. If this was 1999, that might be true. Hell, even if you think BBM is still a great game, I find it impossible to suggest that it is the "recognized leader in baseball simulators" with a straight face. At the very least, it has a solid competitor in OOTP. IN reality, OOTP passed and lapped BBM around 2002. I hate marketing hyperbole. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-23-2004, 08:53 AM	#37
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	I would be in heaven if he would be greedy and put out a TCY every other year. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

02-24-2004, 09:11 AM	#40
druez Banned Join Date: Nov 2003	Jim has put a new football game every year hasn't he? One year brake by doing college football. But, I remember FOF, then 2 EA games, then TCY, then FOF4 and now FOF 2004. I wish he would do a new college and pro football game every year. I know I would buy them. I've never been disappointed in a Sol product yet.

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