Trades..

[Yossarian]

I stole all the below text form a panthers board I frequent. the most interesting one (to me) is the foster trade..

Gleaned this nugget from extremeskins:



OK I took this from http://www.sportsrumormill.com/viewtopic.php?t=12124

It's a board I troll for info. Seems this guy is an scouting consultant. It's interesting stuff about the trades. Seems the Skins had a deal till the Broncos offered CP.

Checkout the Miami trade for Feely!

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As promised here is the list of trades that I know have been submitted through the NFL Office. First, since must of you wouldn’t know this there are three types of trade proposals teams may submit.
A binding trade. This means the teams are willing to discuss certain players or considerations only. Negotiations may continue for as long as the parties agree to negotiate. The recipient must terminate the offer. The recipient being the team the trade offer is submitted to. This form of a trade has a specific (pending) Negotiations ongoing.
1.) player or players listed as well specific other considerations. This is usually the final offer. Usually once a team goes from non-binding to binding then they term this a rollover.
2.) A non-binding trade. A team here considered the intended party must agree to allow the presenting full access in speaking to the player or players desired. Basically, this allows a team to contact another team without fear of tampering rule violations. This is usually considered an invitation to talk. A player or players the team intends to speak with must be documented.
3.) A collective agreement. A team asks for authorization from two or more teams to negotiate trade parameters. Very rarely is this ever used and is hardly worth discussing.

Below are eleven trades that I have paperwork on. The remaining seven trades I have no details on at this time. The trades are in no particular order. I’m sure you will find some interesting information in these trades.

Miami to Philadelphia (non-binding) A.J. Feely
(Rollover) Miami grants a conditional second round pick in 2005.
Conditional Clause: The pick will escalate to a first round pick if A.J. Feely takes more than 80% of the snaps in 2004 and ranks with in the top ten quarterbacks by season end.

Miami to Houston (non-binding) Drew Henson.
(Rollover) Houston will receive Miami’s second round pick in 2005. Agreement of contract must necessitate this trade.
(Termination) Trade terminated by Houston due to inadequate salary negotiations.

San Diego to Washington (non-binding) Patrick Ramsey
(Denied) Washington denies at this time.

Detroit to Washington (non-binding) Champ Bailey
(Rollover) Detroit agrees to grant pick #6 in the 2004 draft as well as DE Cory Redding to Washington for Champ Bailey.
(Termination) Trade terminated by Washington due to new acceptance of offers.

Buffalo to Houston (non-binding) Drew Henson
Negotiations ongoing.

Cincinnati to Washington (non-binding) Champ Bailey and Corey Dillon
(Termination) Trade terminated by Washington due to new acceptance of offers.

Chicago to Cincinnati (non-binding) Corey Dillon
Negotiations to be discussed at a later date.


San Diego to St. Louis (non-binding) Kurt Warner
(Pending) No negotiations at this time.

Oakland to St. Louis (non-binding) Kurt Warner
(Pending) No negotiations at this time.

New England to St. Louis (non-binding) Lamar Gordon
(Pending) Negotiations ongoing.

Pittsburgh to Carolina (non-binding) DeShaun Foster
(Pending) Negotiations ongoing.

[Yossarian]

Dola

I'm not saying I necessarily buy that this guy is who he says he is but it would be intersting to follow...

[Peregrine]

Wow I'm not sure why the Panthers would want to trade Foster, he's a great backup and will be ready to step in when Davis gets hurt or decides to hang it up.

[Yossarian]

Exactly,

The rumour has most of 'thisboardrocks.com' in tears.

Concensus is either WR Burress or LB Porter. If fields doesn't return from cancer, we need a LB. We are also a bit thin at WR.

But heck, I really don't want to lose foster.

[k0ruptr]

oh man i reallllllllly dont wanna lose foster.

[Peregrine]

Yeah I can't see this being a good trade. While there are needs at (particularly) LB, I don't want to see them fill them this way.

[Blackadar]

There's no way the Steelers would give up either player for Foster. Burress is probably the most expendible, but I can't see that trade happening straight-up. An All-Pro WR for a backup RB. Uh-uh.

[Yossarian]

I think the 'document' implies an intent to debate a trade - it doesn't necessarily mean that draft choices aren't involved.

I think its dumb for the panthers to trade foster. Unless they get a starting CB for him, I doubt there's any position on the team that would be worth losing "the best backup RB in the league" for.

[Maple Leafs]

So do I read that right? Teams have to submit paperwork to the NFL just to discuss a trade?

And why isn't Portis/Bailey on there?

[Yossarian]

I wasn't aware you had to file papers to even TALK about trades - I can understand it if its a way round the anti-tampering rules - but its still something I wasn't aware of.

Porter / Bailey - who knows? Mibbe, this is a small section of document? mibbe it predates Porter / Bailey.

[damnMikeBrown]

I like the Dillon to Washington for Spurrier's old Redskins visor.

[Hurst2112]

Looks like Panther fans might be able to get a Steeler cheaper than expected.

Longtime starters Dewayne Washington and Mark Breuner were released Feb. 27 by the Steelers. The team also re-signed kicker Jeff Reed to a one-year contract worth $380,000. Reed had hip surgery in January but is expected to be ready for minicamp in June. Both Washington and Bruener lost their starting jobs at cornerback and tight end last season, when Bruener was forced to take a pay cut from $2 million to $850,000 just to stay with the team as a third-stringer. By cutting two of their most tenured players, the Steelers created $1.32 million of salary cap room and now are right at the $80.6 million cap limit.

I was actually thinking that they might do something like this when they grabbed Fair. I was wondering if Cowher would cut his pet project Scott (whom I learned to like as a player, after years of frustration), or Townsend. Was I suprised.

Maybe Dewayne can come back to Minnesota.

I always liked Bruener. I understand his blocking ability was always better than his receiving ability (anybody remember Eric Green?...hehe). I would susspect that age and injury came into play with his demise.

Oh well, on with the season.

[stevew]

Now we wont have to see the Dewayne Washington, "that looks like spaghetti" commercial anymore.

[k0ruptr]

man the panthers shouldnt change to much, duh they made the superbowl

[stevew]

Im wondering what the steelers are offering for Foster. I would assume 2(11) is involved. It'd be nice to get him so we can waive bye to the Bus and Zeroue. The Bus can either play for the min, retire, or go somewhere else. It's been great, but your time is over.

[Hurst2112]

Originally Posted by stevew

Im wondering what the steelers are offering for Foster. I would assume 2(11) is involved. It'd be nice to get him so we can waive bye to the Bus and Zeroue. The Bus can either play for the min, retire, or go somewhere else. It's been great, but your time is over.

I am sorry, but I would have to disagree with you. There are intangeables when it comes to players like Jerome. His attitude and passion for the game has got to help a team. I wouldn't sacrafice an aging Bettis for a backup (or a possible starter). Zeroue, though not what we expected him to be, can be an asset for the Steelers. It's unfortunate that he is in a position where he can be somebody's main guy, or the steelers back up. He's that kind of player. The thing about Bettis is that he can't flourish in just any offense. He needs a gameplan like he had in Pitt. I would bet his swan song year will be with the Steelers

Also, if they are indeed offering a 43rd pick...shit, you have several positions you need to fill with that high of a pick. You can't be giving that pick away for a running back when you have a possible 2 (where's Richard Huntley?!?!?! hehe).

Such as: Maddox isn't getting any younger.

[stevew]

Both of our backs averaged 3.3 ypc last year. A lot of stuff I see has the steelers taking a RB in the first round possibly. I am not impressed with Zeroue. As we are at the cap, Jerome better be ready to take a big pay-cut so we can fill some needs(secondary, OLine). Using the second rounder to get a pretty good RB, in Foster, frees us up to either trade the first for more picks, or take a QB there. But hell, we will probably draft a lineman . I wouldnt be suprised if Plexico gets traded too.

And hell, I wouldnt be suprised if we didnt send that second, and instead sent them something else. I said the second mainly cause Foster was drafted with a #2, and would assume Caro would be regaining their cost.

[Hurst2112]

Such as: Maddox isn't getting any younger.

And Charlie Batch isn't getting any smarter....hehe



I would agree with you with the Zeroue take. I also agree with you on the Bettis issue. He does need to take a pay cut. If i remeber correctly, he was talking salary restructuring earlier this year.

Although I wouldn't want to draft a lineman again. Something with linemen and the Steelers in the draft...just don't get it. Call it the Jamain Stephens fiasco (no one to blame there...i thought he would be a stud as well).

It's all touchy up to the draft. I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't pull off some draft day deal, ala Bettis trade. I susspect that they are not ready to commit to 1 train of thought until they see what comes about in the next month.

I hope Plexico doesn't get traded. I do see his expendability...but I also see great things happening with him and Ward with a decent passing game and O-line, as in the last couple years. I have been a die hard since 87 and have gotten used to saying "this is the year" or "man, if we keep all our guys, we are gonna do something". I still hold onto that thought.

[The_herd]

I've always had a soft spot for the Steelers. I grew up 2 1/2 hours from there and the vast majority of my family is Steeler fans. So it was sad to see how poorly they played last year and from an outsiders prospective, it doesn't look good this year either. Drafting has been horrid in recent years, and its killing them. They are getting holes in the team faster than they can fix them.

Zeroue could be one of the top 3rd down backs in the league, but he won't be satisfied with that. Unless he's changed from his days at WVU, he's going to become a cancer in the locker room if he isn't starting. Bettis would be the better of the 2 to keep if Pittsburg has to choose. But this is going to come down to money in all likelyhood, and that doesn't bode well for the Bus.

Plexico is somewhat overrated and I think it would probably be best to try and get someone of value in return for him now. If they could trade him, pick up a good back, and then grab another reciever in the draft, they would be in better shape. Every year Pittsburg fans are waiting for Burress to have that bust-out monster year, and so far he has 1 good season to show for it. I just don't think he's mentally ready to put together a stong season.

[SteelerFan448]

Joey Porter for Deshaun Foster?? LMAO!! Plax for Foster is a stretch. I'd want to see nothing higher than a 3rd for Foster, which is what I've heard. Back to Plax, evidence of Peerless Price, the Steelers can grab an early draft pick for Plax if they wanted to trade for him, which would go with the Plax for Foster and the Panthers second I've heard.

Bruener and Washington were not surprises. It was expected both would be cut. Scott actually will make plays in the secondary, which Washington didn't. Townsend, why would he be cut? He stepped into the starting role later on in the season and played well. Fair will be no higher than th 4th or 5th CB depending on what else Pittsburgh does via FA or the draft.

The Steelers most likely are keeping Bettis at a reduced price. They are working on a deal meaning Zereoue will be cut.

[Hurst2112]

Every year Pittsburg fans are waiting for Burress to have that bust-out monster year, and so far he has 1 good season to show for it.

I would say he's had more than 1 good season:

2001 Pittsburgh 66 1,008 15.3 43 6
2002 Pittsburgh 76 1,325 17.0 62t 7
2003 Pittsburgh 60 860 14.3 47 4


With, mind you, Ward on the other side for those same years:

2001 Pittsburgh 94 1,003 10.7 34 3
2002 Pittsburgh 112 1,329 11.9 72t 12
2003 Pittsburgh 95 1,163 12.2 50 10

I don't think Burress will have that "monster year" that people are waiting for until he is a featured WR. It would be hard to post a 110 catch, 1300 yard season with Ward putting up the numbers that he does.

[MikeVic]

I don't see Porter for Foster happening at all... if Porter were traded for a RB, it would have to be a top-tier RB in the league... I just hope the Steelers know what they're doing. They have quite a few holes to fill, and it will be hard to fill them all in one season.

[The_herd]

Originally Posted by Hurst2112

I would say he's had more than 1 good season:

2001 Pittsburgh 66 1,008 15.3 43 6
2002 Pittsburgh 76 1,325 17.0 62t 7
2003 Pittsburgh 60 860 14.3 47 4


With, mind you, Ward on the other side for those same years:

2001 Pittsburgh 94 1,003 10.7 34 3
2002 Pittsburgh 112 1,329 11.9 72t 12
2003 Pittsburgh 95 1,163 12.2 50 10

I don't think Burress will have that "monster year" that people are waiting for until he is a featured WR. It would be hard to post a 110 catch, 1300 yard season with Ward putting up the numbers that he does.

2001 wasn't a good year, it was good stretch of games toward the end of the season, he had 599 yards and 5 TDs over the last 6 games. 2002 was his good year, he looked like the player he was supposed to be when he was drafted. Last season he played much like he did as a rookie, he had 4 games with only 1 catch and only totaled 9 catches for 123 yards over the last 4 games. Burress has the talent to put up 1,400-1,500 yards a season and 10 TD's, he should be an elite reciever, but he's not. He'll be 27 when the season starts and entering his 5th year. Pittsburg drafted him to be a feature reciever, he has the talent, but just doesn't appear to have it in him.

[SteelerFan448]

The ONLY reason the Steelers may be looking to trade him is because Burress may command a HUGE contract...which the Steelers can't do with Bell and Hampton as FAs next season, plus he doesn't deserve one.

[Hurst2112]

Pittsburg drafted him to be a feature reciever, he has the talent, but just doesn't appear to have it in him.

I don't get that comment, but I got the idea of what you were trying to say.

I don't understand how a guy can be expected to be an elite receiver when you have somebody like hines ward on your team. And, nobody knew that both receivers were going to be as good as they are. I don't think Burress would have been taken if you would have told Cowher that Ward would have been a consistent WR.

2001 wasn't a good year, it was good stretch of games toward the end of the season, he had 599 yards and 5 TDs over the last 6 games.

How can you say that it wasn't a good year. Yeah, it was a span of 6 games, but those 6 games were part of the season. I wasn't saying anything about the frequency of his performance. I was saying that numbers wise...his season totals are pretty damn good.

[The_herd]

Originally Posted by Hurst2112

How can you say that it wasn't a good year.

Because an NFL season is 16 games. He played well in 6 of them, that isn't even half. I wouldn't call that a good year. Numbers at the end of the year don't tell the whole story.

Burress is a more talented reciever than Ward. If you look at the players strictly based on talent, Burress is the guy. Unfortunately, Burress hasn't figured out that you need to bring your "A" game each week. If Burress ran the right route every play, and ran good routes, he'd catch as many balls as Ward. But there hasn't been a QB in the Steelers system that's had faith in Burress as a go-to reciever.

As SteelerFan said, they would be better off dumping him now, he's going to be looking for a big contract when the current deal ends, and he isn't worth it.