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Old 03-01-2004, 06:56 PM   #1
SirFozzie
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Anyone interested in a President Forever FOFC Game?

I recently bought the game President Forever, and in a recent email, the creator indicated how to make your own scenario. I figure this would be perfect for a FOFC board game, similar to the Odd/Even Games and the Snowball Fight we had over the holidays.

So, I have come up with four FOFC "Parties".

The SkyDogpublicans (the party that currently controls the White House of FOFC)
The Wigocrats (They currently have a slight majority in the Congress)
the Colossal Squidependents (minor party)
The Monster Raving Looney Party (Otherwise known as: "2/3rds of a Trout in everybody's Rectum!") (minor party)

I figure while I create the scenario, we can have our Presidential Primaries. Please state which party you wish to run for President for, your home state (if you live outside the US, pick one ), and your qualifications.

After we get everybody in the Primaries, the board will vote for each party's nominee, and then we get to Campaign season (which will play out on the board)

Note: The top votegetter in each party will be that party's presidential nominee. The next two-three votegetters will be possible Vice-Presidential candidates, but the presidential candidate gets to choose his running mate
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:06 PM   #2
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Who is going to chose the ratings for the canidates? Will they be given set 'points' to spend to rate themselves. And will the canidates select thier own political views?
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:06 PM   #3
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I would be interested in running for the Wigocrats.

Additionally I would love to do a PBEM of the game with someone since the Computer AI only offers so much challenge.

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Old 03-01-2004, 07:14 PM   #4
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Who is going to chose the ratings for the canidates? Will they be given set 'points' to spend to rate themselves. And will the canidates select thier own political views?

Yes and Yes.

I will get a list of topics, and what each position means out tonight (i have a couple hours before the FOFC FBCB sim). It'd be cool to see the candidates campaign on the issues
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:31 PM   #5
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Presidential Candidates will have 20 Points to spread between:

Leadership
Integrity
Experience
Issue Familiarity
Charisma
Stamina
Debating

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

(5 more issues coming up)
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:38 PM   #6
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Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

(yet more issues coming, yeesh )
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:50 PM   #7
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Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:52 PM   #8
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More questions coming, or shall I begin?
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:53 PM   #9
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That's all the issues
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:01 PM   #10
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Candidate:

Daniel McCarney (Colossal Squidependents)
Minnesota

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 2
Debating - 4

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.


EDIT: Forgot State

EDIT2/3: After learning an attribute couldn't be 0, I've made some changes.

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Old 03-01-2004, 08:02 PM   #11
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Here ya go, the first Georgia to toss his hat into the The SkyDogpublicans Presidential Primary. Candidate quickly declined comment on rumors that he's really angling for a VP nod.

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Same Sex Marriage
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Affirimative Action:
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs
Immigration
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Balanced Budget
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Military Funding:
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Business Tax:
Right: Significantly decrease
Military Intervention
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests
Campaign Finance Reform
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Personal Income Tax
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Ecology
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Public Health Care:
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Education
Right: School Vouchers for everyone
Renewable Energy
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Free Trade:
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Social Security
Center: Keep as is
Gun Control
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control
Terrorism:
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:12 PM   #12
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Wow Jon.. your candidate is a good SkyDogpublican.. can he survive the heat on abortion?

(Note: I am letting the candidates decide the path of the party.. )
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:14 PM   #13
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Wow Jon.. your candidate is a good SkyDogpublican.. can he survive the heat on abortion?
Survive it? Heck, he thrives on it

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Old 03-01-2004, 08:22 PM   #14
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Candidates:

SkyDogPublicans:
JonInMiddleGA

Wigocrats
Barkeep49

Colossal Squidapendents
McKerney

Monster Raving Loonies
None
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:36 PM   #15
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I'll definately be paying attention to this. I'm afraid my 'dog JonInMiddleGa is going to get stomped with this crowd, but I'm pulling for you!
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:40 PM   #16
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Hailing from the proud state of Illinois Barkeep49 belives in the following:
Abortions -- Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Same Sex Marriages -- Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Affirmative Action -- Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Immigration -- Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Balanced Budget -- Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Millitary Funding -- Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Buisness Tax -- Center-Left: Increase slightly
Millitary Intervention - Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Campaign Finance Reform -- Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Personal Income Tax -- Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Envoirnment -- Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Public Health Care -- Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Education -- Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Renewable Energy -- Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Free Trade -- Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Social Security -- Center: Keep as is
Gun Controll -- Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Terrorism -- Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must

A strongly independent voice who will Advance America's priorities while not forgetting what it means to be an American.
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:40 PM   #17
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Dutch: Join in.. you and Jon could be a killerticket for the Skydogpublicans
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Old 03-01-2004, 08:57 PM   #18
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Sure why not

AJ Tucker(The Wigocrats)
Iowa

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 5
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 2
Stamina - 3
Debating - 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:00 PM   #19
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Wow, the Wigocrats seem the be southpaws, you know.. lefthanders?
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:04 PM   #20
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Ahh, the hell with it.

Josh Hiscock (Skydogpublican)
Edit: California (both where I'm from AND where I'm registered)

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 3
Debating - 3


Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

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Old 03-01-2004, 09:06 PM   #21
Dutch
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
Hmmm, okay, here ya go!

Candidate:

Dutch (Skydogrepublicans)
California (Where I'm registered, not where I live)

Leadership - 4
Integrity - 3
Experience - 3
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 2
Debating - 2

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration.
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.


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Old 03-01-2004, 09:07 PM   #22
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I didn't realize this board had so many Skydogpublicans.
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:21 PM   #24
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:29 PM   #25
sooner333
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Norman, OK
Oklahoma (where I'm registered, not where I live...although I def. don't consider myself an Illinoisian)(SkyDogpublican)

Leadership 3
Integrity 3
Experience 2
Issue Familiarity 3
Charisma 3
Stamina 3
Debating 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:41 PM   #26
samifan24
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
Candidate:

Brendan O'Neill (Skydogrepublicans)
Connecticut

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 0
Issue Familiarity - 4
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 2
Debating - 4

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Business Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:46 PM   #27
AgPete
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Going for the "2/3rds of a Trout in everybody's Rectum!" because the compeition is low and my party has no precedents on positions.

Leadership - 4
Integrity - 2
Experience - 2
Issue Familiarity - 1
Charisma - 6
Stamina - 2
Debating - 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition


Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

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Old 03-01-2004, 09:54 PM   #28
digamma
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Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: On Lake Harriet
Another candidate for the Looney Bin Party...
(And who cares about party precedent on positions. We're the Loonies. Trout for one. Trout for all. At least 2/3 of a Trout, anyway.)

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 3
Experience - 3
Issue Familiarity - 2
Charisma - 5
Stamina - 2
Debating - 2

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition


Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:58 PM   #29
AgPete
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Quote:
Originally Posted by digamma
Another candidate for the Looney Bin Party...
(And who cares about party precedent on positions. We're the Loonies. Trout for one. Trout for all. At least 2/3 of a Trout, anyway.)


If anything, our party would make for a great night of discussion regarding the issues, but maybe nothing practical. Hey, we've already got a party like that, the Libertarians!
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:14 PM   #30
SirFozzie
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: The State of Insanity
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:16 PM   #31
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He's from the great state of Texas. To stay elected in a mostly SkyDogpublican state, he's had to play mostly to the middle in his three terms as Wigocrat representative. His two primary issues are a Balanced Budget amendment and increased educational spending. He's not likely to win but wants to use this as a springboard for future campaigns. He does make a somewhat attractive Vice Presidential canidate, however, as he is charismatic, young, and from a traditional SkyDogpublican stronghold.

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Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice

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Old 03-01-2004, 10:21 PM   #32
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:37 PM   #33
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Presidential Candidates will have 20 Points to spread between ...

Quick question for the "Dungeon Master" -- did you want the 20 point spreads from all the candidates in the primaries, or just for the eventual party nominees?

(I had first believed it was the latter, but after seeing a few more posts, I'm not so sure)
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:40 PM   #34
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Quick question for the "Dungeon Master" -- did you want the 20 point spreads from all the candidates in the primaries, or just for the eventual party nominees?

(I had first believed it was the latter, but after seeing a few more posts, I'm not so sure)

That's a good idea, it would make more sense for the party to decide the final nominee's distribution. The platform on issues could decide the party rep but after someone is selected, it would make a lot of sense to have the party brainstorm the skill allocation.
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:43 PM   #35
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:52 PM   #36
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Good enough for me then. I just didn't want to not have done mine & them be a requirement (I've got enough trouble sorting out the campaign finances paperwork).

(FWIW, I've also bought & played P4E, so I've got at least a slight advantage over those who haven't because there's a few definite pros & cons to certain skills IMO.
Although my candidate isn't really drawn to those specs at this point)
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Old 03-01-2004, 10:58 PM   #37
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I'd like to throw my hat into the ring as a "WigoCrat." My platform to follow shortly. But on a quick note, is each party supposed to have some sort of left/center/right agenda? And being from VA, I can carry the south


9edit)I mention the Wigocrats on this simply cause of my alignment with Wig, not cause of the party platform

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Old 03-01-2004, 11:00 PM   #38
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:00 PM   #39
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I'd like to throw my hat into the ring as a "WigoCrat." My platform to follow shortly. But on a quick note, is each party supposed to have some sort of left/center/right agenda? And being from VA, I can carry the south

Yeah, I realize Im an idiot.
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:06 PM   #40
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Well, the parties have their mavericks, so even though the SkyDogPublicans and Wigocrats currently look like our Repubs and Dems, you can be either.. just realize when it comes voting time, you're going to be a nail that sticks out, and maybe one that gets hammered down...
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:07 PM   #41
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Sounds like if Jon doesn't get the nomination, he can be a good campaign manager for the eventual SkyDogpublican nominee
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:20 PM   #42
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I'm clearly the best choice for the SkyDogpublicans. Having told Dave Dial where to stick it, that just proves that I'm the candidate best able to withstand special interests.
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:26 PM   #43
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Home State: Virginia

A former Independant Congressman from Pennsylvania, my district was swallowed up by Skydogpublican gerrymandering. A recent family move to Virginia was done for job reasons.
While generally centrist on most issues, I feel strongly on certain issues.

The right to choose is made before intercourse, not after pregnancy has occured. We support free trade. We also support the abolishment of social security.


Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

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Old 03-01-2004, 11:28 PM   #44
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When will nominations close? I don't want to start campaigning with-out knowing who all my competition is...

I also agreee, FWIW, with Jon that certain skills are more useful than others.
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:31 PM   #45
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I think tommorrow night will give us a couple more and that's it, so I'll say tommorrow night, set up a debate topic for each party, and then run the Primary Polls after the debate.
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Old 03-01-2004, 11:49 PM   #46
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Texas


Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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Old 03-02-2004, 12:04 AM   #47
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I do as well for the most part, though I do like video games.
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Old 03-02-2004, 12:08 AM   #48
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Leadership: 5
Integrity: 6
Experience: 1
Issue Familiarity: 2
Charisma: 1
Stamina: 2
Debating: 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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I do as well for the most part, though I do like video games.


You know, I don't think a mckerney-JeeberD/JeeberD-mckerney ticket could be beat! Go Colossal Squidependents!!!
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You know, I don't think a mckerney-JeeberD/JeeberD-mckerney ticket could be beat! Go Colossal Squidependents!!!

Good point.....


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