Injuries still not healing in offseason?

[Yossarian]

In my current version D career, Stephen Davis was 'OUT' for a long time. At the start of the offseason, he was out for 31 weeks.

At the end of the free agent period, he was still out for 31 weeks.. ditto at the end of the draft and I *believe* but am not sure that it was still 31 weeks after the second FA period.

I thought this issue was resolved?

[KevinM]

Also, on the subject of injuries, don't you just HATE it when you just re-sign your star 88/88 DB to a six year, $80m contract, then in the first game of the season he gets injured for 8 weeks, and returns as a 54/54 bumbling baboon.

Can't afford to keep him, and can't afford to release him....Life's a b*tch

Kevin.

[Yossarian]

It hurts your team but I like lots of injuries....

But I *don't* like it when S Davis takes the summer off and doesn't re-hab his knee (only way I can believe the amazing 31 week recovery that takes much longer)

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Yossarian

In my current version D career, Stephen Davis was 'OUT' for a long time. At the start of the offseason, he was out for 31 weeks.

At the end of the free agent period, he was still out for 31 weeks.. ditto at the end of the draft and I *believe* but am not sure that it was still 31 weeks after the second FA period.

I thought this issue was resolved?

Guys do heal, however any estimates for their time out are just estimates. Some guys heal quicker, some take longer.

[Ben E Lou]

Injuries do heal during the offseason, just not fully.

END OF 2011
Bernie Strong--34 weeks
Stanley Franklin--28 weeks
Marty FInch--26 weeks
Grady Shelton--20 weeks

BEGINNING OF 2012
Bernie Strong--15 weeks
Marty Finch--7 weeks
Stanley Franklin--3 weeks
Grady Shelton--1 week

Looks like 19 weeks' healing for most. Franklin got 25 weeks. I wonder if it is because he's the youngest of those four. (The others have all are 8/9 year vets, while 2012 will be Franklin's third season.)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I wonder if it is because he's the youngest of those four.

I got curious about this, so did a little checking, and apparentlythat isn't the case. I had a 2nd-year man Out for 26 weeks at the end of 2005, and he was 11 weeks at the beginning of '06.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Have you checked against the endurance rating ?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by fantastic flying froggies

Have you checked against the endurance rating ?

No. Checking now...

[cthomer5000]

For reference, the real-world time from Super Bowl Sunday until the first week of exhibition games is roughly 25 weeks. It varies 1-2 weeks each year based on the date of the Super Bowl and the start of the regular season (which itself then determines the start of the preseason).

[Ben E Lou]

I can't see any real patterns as to why some guys heal more than others. Anyone else see any? All I can say for sure is that in my relatively short career, players have healed between 15-25 weeks during the offseason.

NAME	WKS1	WKS2	EXP1	END1	END2	HEALED	INJURY TYPE
RB Eric Rivera	26	11	2	20	21	15	Compund Leg Fracture
LDT Kim Carlson	17	0	3	100	34/43	17+	MCL Damage
LDT Kim Carlson	58	39	4	34/42	33	19	ACL Surgery
RCB Jared Rehberg	33	15	6	92/99	93/99	18	ACL Surgery
LCB Scottie England	28	4	4	44	46	24	Torn Quadriceps
LDT Kim Carlson	15	0	5	31	7/9	15+	ACL Surgery
FS Jake Newhart	14	0	4	83	82	14+	High Ankle Sprain
LCB Lester Weikel	49	24	7	45/48	45/48	25	MCL Surgery
LDE Brian Sullivan	29	9	6	28	28	20	ACL Surgery
RT Bernie Strong	34	15	7	90/95	90/95	19	ACL Surgery
LDE Stanley Franklin	28	3	2	51/58	18/20	25	Torn Quadriceps
LT Marty Finch	26	7	7	21	21	19	Torn Quadriceps
LCB Grady Shelton	20	1	8	70	29	19	Torn Patellar Tendon

[fantastic flying froggies]

hmm... random ?

(that Kim Carlson dude sure is one unlucky SOB...)

[cthomer5000]

Well, looking at SkyDog's numbers... things look pretty right-on. My only minor complaint about the injuries in FOF (and please correct me if I'm wrong), it seems as if healing time will only be as long as the estimate or longer. I don't recall ever seeing a player heal quicker than the original estimate.

Also, a general injury observation (which has been echoed by Vegas Vic), if a guy is coming off a fairly serious injury and you play him as soon as he reaches "probable", you're basically asking for another major injury to happen immediately.

[fantastic flying froggies]

...which is probably what probably happened to the aforementionned Kim Carlson...

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by fantastic flying froggies

...which is probably what probably happened to the aforementionned Kim Carlson...

I just recently had my absolute star CB get injured midway through 2008 (I think it was a torn ACL). This guy was an absolute stud, and my first ever draft pick in a "empty cupboard" career. So he missed 9 games in 2008, and is out almost all of 2009. He's "probable" for the last week of the season, and we need the win to make the playoffs. I decide to risk it. He picks off 2 passes, BUT re-injures his knee (although it was techincally a different injury). He's out another 35 weeks or so.

Still, I was amazed that when he came back off of 2 major knee injuries, he had gone from super-stud to "passable corner" His man-to-man skills were horrible, but he still had decent run defense and ton of the "intangibles." If i would have expected any guy to completely "flat-line," it would have been him. I was shocked that he was still a serviceable player at all.

[sabotai]

Yossarian mentioned that it was right after the second FA period that it still said 31 weeks. Perhaps it updates the injury duration at the start of a new season? (As in, it doesn't update as you go along in the offseason)

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Yossarian mentioned that it was right after the second FA period that it still said 31 weeks. Perhaps it updates the injury duration at the start of a new season? (As in, it doesn't update as you go along in the offseason)

Oh...my bad....I assumed that was a given. Yes, it updates at the very beginning of the offseason for the entire offseason.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Still, seroius injuries only seem to happen to the players that eat the most cap and that you need the most. I threw a pile of money at a SLB. He signed and was to be the cornerstone of my defense. Defensive front leader. OLB mentor. Near max in most categories. Never missed a game in 6 seasons. A monster statistically. 1st preseason game he has a compound leg fracture. Done for 2 seasons. No ratings when he comes back.

And why is "tobacco withdrawl syndrome" an injury that puts players out for longer than really serious injuries?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Still, seroius injuries only seem to happen to the players that eat the most cap and that you need the most.

Of course this would be true. Your league minimum scrub isn't taking part in nearly as many plays.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Of course this would be true. Your league minimum scrub isn't taking part in nearly as many plays.

I realize that, but if you have let's say, three LB's and one is a star, one is good and the other is a bust who you haven't been able to replace yet, the stud is the one who always seems to decide to quit smoking and lose his career to that need for the ultimate opiate nicotene. Scrubs can have "tobacco withdrawl syndrome," but never seem to.

[3ric]

"Tobacco withdrawal syndrome" is another term for "cocaine abuse". Scrubs seldom can afford to develop such bad habits.

[Ben E Lou]

Bump...as this question just came up...

[yabanci]

the injuries don't heal week-by-week in the offseason as one might expect. The offseason "healing" occurs cumulatively in the stage after the superbowl. For example, if you have a guy out 50 weeks as of the superbowl, the next stage (where the retirements are shown) you will see the change and he will be out 25-35 weeks (it varies), and that's what it will stay throughout the offseason until the weeks start counting down again when preseason games start.

[Ben E Lou]

Dang, yabanci. We'd been waiting two months for someone to give that information.

[yabanci]

yeah, I'm surprised I didn't see this back when it was posted.

[Passacaglia]

In order to have your offseason injury healed, you need to get up and ask the trainer to heal it. But if you can get up and ask the trainer to heal your injury, you were never injured in the first place.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

In order to have your offseason injury healed, you need to get up and ask the trainer to heal it. But if you can get up and ask the trainer to heal your injury, you were never injured in the first place.