Henson to Dallas

[Pyser]

3rd rounder in 2005.

3.5 mil a year for 4 years.

fascinating.

[Pyser]

and then espn changed their story, so the money might not be right. but its an 8 year deal that can void to 4, 3.5 mil guaranteed.

[Maple Leafs]

Wow. From the Yankees to the Cowboys.

Any word on when he plans to move on to the Lakers and Maple Leafs and complete the Quartet of Evil?

[sterlingice]

I guess that gamble paid off for the Texans.

SI

[sabotai]

Jerry Jones has gone and lost his damn mind.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Wow. From the Yankees to the Cowboys.

Any word on when he plans to move on to the Lakers and Maple Leafs and complete the Quartet of Evil?

Your favorite team is one fourth represenative of the Quartet of Evil?

Heartless.

[Poli]

Nice. Carter, Hutchinson, and Henson. Any more baseball wash out QBs out there? Where's Wienke and Booty?

Any bets they take Mauck with their first round pick?

[Pyser]

well, at least the Cowboys will be the best baseball team in the NFL this year...

[damnMikeBrown]

This is pretty much the death knell for Hutchinson, isn't it? First NFL Europe, and now signing another "project" QB?

[druez]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Wow. From the Yankees to the Cowboys.

Any word on when he plans to move on to the Lakers and Maple Leafs and complete the Quartet of Evil?

Lakers & Red Wings for me

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Wow. From the Yankees to the Cowboys.

Any word on when he plans to move on to the Lakers and Maple Leafs and complete the Quartet of Evil?

Nice.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by druez

Lakers & Red Wings for me

Yeah, I gotta think the Wings are more evil than the Leafs these days. Then again, I'm a hawks fan so I might be a smidge biased.

SI

[SackAttack]

Any team that spends as much on two goalies (Hasek and CuJo) as some franchises spend on their entire payroll definitely gets the edge for the Quartet of Evil.

[Bubba Wheels]

Maple Leafs? Then the rest of your 'quartet' should be Baltimore Colts, Brooklyn Dodgers and Philadelphia Warriors. That would be the timeframe your talking about concerning past winners.

[Neuqua]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Maple Leafs? Then the rest of your 'quartet' should be Baltimore Colts, Brooklyn Dodgers and Philadelphia Warriors. That would be the timeframe your talking about concerning past winners.

He took my line.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Maple Leafs? Then the rest of your 'quartet' should be Baltimore Colts, Brooklyn Dodgers and Philadelphia Warriors. That would be the timeframe your talking about concerning past winners.

Oh, c'mon now. The Dodgers have actually won something in the last 20 years, even if they aren't in Brooklyn anymore.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

I can't stand those New York Highlanders...

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by damnMikeBrown

This is pretty much the death knell for Hutchinson, isn't it? First NFL Europe, and now signing another "project" QB?

I'm hoping so. Hopefully they'll bring in Vinny to tutor Q and Henson and let Hutch go on his merry way.

If they don't bring in Vinny, I really wonder about this deal. The last thing we need is three young, inexperienced QBs....

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, I gotta think the Wings are more evil than the Leafs these days.

I get the sense that the Wings are considered evil in US, the Leafs in Canada.

Every hockey fan in Canada either loves the Leafs or hates them. There's no middle ground.

[DeToxRox]

Lets not forget how inflated the Rangers payroll was. If they didn't suck you'd say they were worse then the Wings.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Pyser

3rd rounder in 2005.

3.5 mil a year for 4 years.

fascinating.

Oh, and those figures are wrong. From ESPN.com:

Henson and the Cowboys have agreed on an eight-year contract that will void to four years with minimum playing time. The former New York Yankees third baseman will make $238,000 during the 2004 season, and is guaranteed $3.5 million over the next four years.

3.5 mill spread out over four years.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I kind of like it. Minimal investment based mostly on on-field performance. If he sucks, they haven't hurt themselves any worse than Toby Gowin.

[Poli]

I've been waiting to hear from HFP.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I guess that gamble paid off for the Texans.

SI

While I agree (and I've followed this whole situation closely since draft day), it's not as great a deal as it seems.

"Conventional" NFL logic says that a a draft pick this year is equal to a pick 1 round higher the next season (which is why you'll see almost 1 team a year trade the next year's first rounder for a 2nd round pick in that draft).

By that measure:

6th rounder 2003 = 5th rounder 2004 = 4th rounder 2005. So the Texans basically got the value of moving a 4th rounder up to a 3rd rounder for all their effort.

Tough to say it was really worth it, since we have no idea how much time was spent on this that could have been used elsewhere.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

While I agree (and I've followed this whole situation closely since draft day), it's not as great a deal as it seems.

"Conventional" NFL logic says that a a draft pick this year is equal to a pick 1 round higher the next season (which is why you'll see almost 1 team a year trade the next year's first rounder for a 2nd round pick in that draft).

By that measure:

6th rounder 2003 = 5th rounder 2004 = 4th rounder 2005. So the Texans basically got the value of moving a 4th rounder up to a 3rd rounder for all their effort.

Tough to say it was really worth it, since we have no idea how much time was spent on this that could have been used elsewhere.

I always thought that adage referred to the fact that you know where your pick is this year and have an idea on the talent versus where your pick will be the next year. I don't see a whole lot of teams trading a 6th rounder for a 3rd rounder 3 years down the road or a 4th rounder 2 years down the road.

SI

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I don't see a whole lot of teams trading a 6th rounder for a 3rd rounder 3 years down the road or a 4th rounder 2 years down the road.

SI

Agreed. But you will see plenty of teams cut deals like this on draft day:

2005 4th rounder for 2004 6th rounder
2005 2nd rounder for 2004 3rd rounder
2005 6th rounder for 2004 7th rounder

If a team *really* wanted to, i'm pretty confident they could turn a 7th round pick into a first rounder over the course of 7 years.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by druez

Lakers & Red Wings for me

Piss off!

Red Wings = All that is good and right in the universe.

What's wrong with you people?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, I gotta think the Wings are more evil than the Leafs these days. Then again, I'm a hawks fan so I might be a smidge biased.

SI

Dola.

Don't let the fact that your hockey team has fallen on hard times lead to this!

Remember, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the Dark Side. (or something like that.)

Regardless, Piss off! (see above)

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Remember, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the Dark Side. (or something like that.)

I'll never cheer for the Wings! NEVER!

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I get the sense that the Wings are considered evil in US, the Leafs in Canada.

Every hockey fan in Canada either loves the Leafs or hates them. There's no middle ground.

Double dola.

ML, don't let those hateful people cloud your mind.

The Red Wings are all that is good.

If they have clouded your mind, well, than, PISS OFF! (see above)

[It seems like my last 10 posts on this board have all been the same. I am feeling the hate. What's wrong with you people??]

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'll never cheer for the Wings! NEVER!

SI

Sister... You have a twin sister... Your thoughts betray her as well. If you will not cheer for the Wings, than PERHAPS SHE WILL!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Oh yeah, to post on topic. Henson and his UofM-abandoning ways can PISS OFF too. Four years of John Navarre. That's what Henson gave us. FOUR YEARS!

May your career be as successful as Chad Hutchinson's, Drew.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Sister... You have a twin sister... Your thoughts betray her as well. If you will not cheer for the Wings, than PERHAPS SHE WILL!

"You've failed, Your highness. I am a Hawks fan, like my father before me."

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

"You've failed, Your highness. I am a Hawks fan, like my father before me."

SI

So be it... LOSER!

Man, it's Saturday night and we're sitting here swapping modified Star Wars lines about hockey on a bulletin board about a computer football game. Hmmm... Nice.

Not sure what's more odd, that or the fact that I had dinner with two people (over the age of 23) who hadn't seen any of the Star Wars movies. One didn't know who "Chewbacca" was.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

So be it... LOSER!

Man, it's Saturday night and we're sitting here swapping modified Star Wars lines about hockey on a bulletin board about a computer football game. Hmmm... Nice.

Not sure what's more odd, that or the fact that I had dinner with two people (over the age of 23) who hadn't seen any of the Star Wars movies. One didn't know who "Chewbacca" was.

It beats doing homework, that's for sure. And I'm not nearly the Stars Wars fan that a lot of people are, but these were some pretty famous quotes being tossed back and forth. But I think it's time I get back to homework rather than tossing hockey barbs and hattrick chat on the other board. Just an exciting Saturday night here as every teacher tries to cram a project and/or midterm down my throat the week before spring break.

SI

[AgPete]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Oh yeah, to post on topic. Henson and his UofM-abandoning ways can PISS OFF too. Four years of John Navarre. That's what Henson gave us. FOUR YEARS!

May your career be as successful as Chad Hutchinson's, Drew.

Anyone who saw Drew Henson play in college knows he's not another Chad Hutchinson. The Cowboys just stole a first round pick with a third rounder. Brilliant move.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by AgPete

Anyone who saw Drew Henson play in college knows he's not another Chad Hutchinson. The Cowboys just stole a first round pick with a third rounder. Brilliant move.

I reckon I pretty much saw every snap Henson took during his brilliant college career. He definitely has the skills, it's the mental toughness I worry about. It will be interesting to see how his failure to play at the major league level at the sport he truly loved (baseball), will effect his play at his "second" sport. Not to mention the few years off.

It will be interesting to see and another fun story to watch.

[Greyroofoo]

How many games has Drew Henson started in his "brilliant" career? 8?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

How many games has Drew Henson started in his "brilliant" career? 8?

Yup, 8 whole starts. There have been guys that have started three times that amount, looked like sure-fire pros, and never played well in the NFL. It is interesting to me that in a handfull of starts people can be so convinced that this guy is going to be a great NFL player.

8 starts in the last seven years. I think a third rounder is over-paying.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

How many games has Drew Henson started in his "brilliant" career? 8?

Yeah, I should of added the quotes around "brilliant." Sarcasm was wholly intended.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Jerry is starting to field a better baseball team than Tom Hicks.

Just as a counterpoint, BJ Symons will most likely be drafted with only a season of college starts under his belt. I doubt it will be in the 3rd round, but somewhere in the middle to late rounds.

[Darkiller]

This is a good gamble for the Cowboys (as much as I dislike saying so)
Risking a future 3rd round pick for a guy who was going to be a 1st round QB two/three year ago and, even this year, would have been a 2nd rounder if eligible is a pretty efficient move by the Dallas Front Office.

Ditto for the Texans, their own gamble last year, using a 6th rounder on Henson to make it a 3rd rounder two years later is pretty good.

Now this will be fun to watch if Henson ends-up becoming Dallas' starter.
Texans and Cowboys basically hate each other so it should be interesting to watch how Carr & Henson's careers evolve.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

"You've failed, Your highness. I am a Hawks fan, like my father before me."

Hawks fan? Ha! When was the last time you guys won a Stanley Cup?

(Sorry... it's just that Chicago is the only team I can do that for.)

[Darkiller]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

While I agree (and I've followed this whole situation closely since draft day), it's not as great a deal as it seems.

"Conventional" NFL logic says that a a draft pick this year is equal to a pick 1 round higher the next season (which is why you'll see almost 1 team a year trade the next year's first rounder for a 2nd round pick in that draft).

By that measure:

6th rounder 2003 = 5th rounder 2004 = 4th rounder 2005. So the Texans basically got the value of moving a 4th rounder up to a 3rd rounder for all their effort.

Tough to say it was really worth it, since we have no idea how much time was spent on this that could have been used elsewhere.

Although I tend to agree on this, I would say that this is applicable in the case the player is actually contributing on the field, and therefore becomes a "veteran" having playing experience and thus improving his skills and practical knowledge of the game.

In the case of Henson and the Texans, GM Casserly never envisionned any playing time in Houston for him: it was a gamble plain and simple, with the sole purpose of "selling" him for better a year later, and it worked.

(The Casserly gamble woud have failed if he had been unable to trade him and had to let him re-enter the Draft in April, there he would have indeed LOST a 6th round pick).