49ers cap hell

JAG · 03-14-2004, 01:06 AM

"Speaking of the salary cap, how about the quagmire the San Francisco 49ers have found themselves in this season? More than 30 percent of their $80.5 million salary cap will be dead money for the 49ers – the accelerations of signing bonuses for players no longer around.

Seven players not on the 2004 roster will count $25 million against the San Francisco cap: quarterback Jeff Garcia ($10.339 million), wide receiver Terrell Owens ($4.812 million), defensive tackle Junior Bryant ($2.305 million), wide receiver J.J. Stokes ($2.272 million), offensive tackle Derrick Deese ($2.136 million), halfback Garrison Hearst ($2 million) and guard Ron Stone ($1.157 million)."

Ouch.

Crapshoot · 03-14-2004, 01:38 AM

Im actually glad- they're taking the wash this year, rather than doing June 1 releases and delaying the hit. if you're gonna tear it up- tear it up good.

cthomer5000 · 03-14-2004, 01:41 AM

Looks like they really learned their lesson after that first wave of cap hell a few years back.

AgPete · 03-14-2004, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Looks like they really learned their lesson after that first wave of cap hell a few years back.

LOL That's what I was thinking. Jerry Jones learned his lesson, what the hell is wrong with the 49ers?

Anthony · 03-14-2004, 02:37 AM

the ironic thing was that they for all intents and purposes were in a rebuilding mode several years ago, but then they unexpectedly found themselves with a competitive team with 2 Pro-Bowlers at 2 important positions - QB and WR. i don't think they were prepared to be competitive, which started this latest round of cap mismanagement. them being a playoff calibre team probably made it hard to do a full rebuilding. now it looks like they're in a real complete rebuilding mode. i don't see them being competitive for the next 3 years. i think the next time you see them in the playoffs will be 2007.

Sharpieman · 03-14-2004, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AgPete

LOL That's what I was thinking. Jerry Jones learned his lesson, what the hell is wrong with the 49ers?

5 words: John York and Terry Donahue....

cthomer5000 · 03-14-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

the ironic thing was that they for all intents and purposes were in a rebuilding mode several years ago, but then they unexpectedly found themselves with a competitive team with 2 Pro-Bowlers at 2 important positions - QB and WR. i don't think they were prepared to be competitive, which started this latest round of cap mismanagement. them being a playoff calibre team probably made it hard to do a full rebuilding. now it looks like they're in a real complete rebuilding mode. i don't see them being competitive for the next 3 years. i think the next time you see them in the playoffs will be 2007.

You pretty much summed it all up. They rebounded much quicker than expected last time. This time Dennis Erickson is running the show. I don't think they'll be back to the playoffs with him as coach.

Darkiller · 03-14-2004, 10:40 AM

I'm not too hopeful either but in all truth, the way the league works right now: a 3-13 team can go 13-3 the very next year and win the SuperBowl (see Rams in 1999 and many others the last few years).

This is not to say San Fran will go 3-13 next season, or that they will win another championship in 2005, it is just to say that despite how ugly it looks right now, things could actually improve faster than envisionned.

Hurst2112 · 03-14-2004, 11:16 AM

I saw the title of the thread and Dark's name as the last post. I thought it was about the FOF2 9ers. Their cap issues were pretty shitty the first offseason.

I don't know if I can appreciate teams that spite their future for a chance at a win or 2 now. I think in 2006 the skins will be paying 50 million to about 3 or 4 players.

clintl · 03-14-2004, 11:22 AM

So far, I'm not a Terry Donahue fan. Still, at least Donahue and the 49er front office are honest about the fact that they're still learning cap management. They know they have a weakness in that area, so perhaps they're ready to learn from the mistakes they made.

Unfortunately, Bill Walsh no longer has an official role with the team, and I think it was his eye for talent that made the rapid rebuild possible in the first place. I'm not expecting a repeat of that from Donahue, who so far looks like he doesn't have anything close to those skills.

Sharpieman · 03-14-2004, 08:35 PM

I'm more worried about John York than Terry Donahue. Donahue could eventually leave or get fired, but York and DeBartalo's sis seem like there here to stay. They don't know it, but they are fast becoming the worst owners in the NFL. They both know nothing about football and want to run the Niners like a business. They want to make money first THEN win. Debartalo wanted to win and THEN make money. Eddie was smarter than his sis and her dumbass husband. I always like to use the governor analogy. John York is like George Bush. The only reason he's in power is because of his family, yet he has little or no qualifications in the first place.

clintl · 03-14-2004, 09:05 PM

They definitely are not Eddie D, or even Peter Magowan. Maybe the Maloofs can be persuaded to buy the 49ers. Based on the way they run the Kings, that could be a very good thing. I think the Maloofs are among the best owners in all of sports.

Darkiller · 03-15-2004, 04:14 AM

I'd love to see Steve Young-Brent Jones and their investment team come along and buy the 49ers from the Yorks.
That'd certainly be the best thing that could happen to us.

Sharpieman · 03-15-2004, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

"Speaking of the salary cap, how about the quagmire the San Francisco 49ers have found themselves in this season? More than 30 percent of their $80.5 million salary cap will be dead money for the 49ers – the accelerations of signing bonuses for players no longer around.

Seven players not on the 2004 roster will count $25 million against the San Francisco cap: quarterback Jeff Garcia ($10.339 million), wide receiver Terrell Owens ($4.812 million), defensive tackle Junior Bryant ($2.305 million), wide receiver J.J. Stokes ($2.272 million), offensive tackle Derrick Deese ($2.136 million), halfback Garrison Hearst ($2 million) and guard Ron Stone ($1.157 million)."

Ouch.

You know its horrible mismanagement when you still got Junior Bryant still on your payroll. When was the last year he played?

rkmsuf · 03-15-2004, 12:40 PM

JJ Strokes is a bad one too at 2.2 million...

Sharpieman · 03-15-2004, 12:44 PM

At leat JJ is still in the league...barely

03-14-2004, 10:40 AM	#8
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	I'm not too hopeful either but in all truth, the way the league works right now: a 3-13 team can go 13-3 the very next year and win the SuperBowl (see Rams in 1999 and many others the last few years). This is not to say San Fran will go 3-13 next season, or that they will win another championship in 2005, it is just to say that despite how ugly it looks right now, things could actually improve faster than envisionned. __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

03-14-2004, 11:16 AM	#9
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	I saw the title of the thread and Dark's name as the last post. I thought it was about the FOF2 9ers. Their cap issues were pretty shitty the first offseason. I don't know if I can appreciate teams that spite their future for a chance at a win or 2 now. I think in 2006 the skins will be paying 50 million to about 3 or 4 players. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

03-15-2004, 04:14 AM	#13
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	I'd love to see Steve Young-Brent Jones and their investment team come along and buy the 49ers from the Yorks. That'd certainly be the best thing that could happen to us. __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

03-15-2004, 12:40 PM	#15
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	JJ Strokes is a bad one too at 2.2 million... __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-14-2004, 01:38 AM	#2
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Im actually glad- they're taking the wash this year, rather than doing June 1 releases and delaying the hit. if you're gonna tear it up- tear it up good.

03-14-2004, 02:37 AM	#5
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	the ironic thing was that they for all intents and purposes were in a rebuilding mode several years ago, but then they unexpectedly found themselves with a competitive team with 2 Pro-Bowlers at 2 important positions - QB and WR. i don't think they were prepared to be competitive, which started this latest round of cap mismanagement. them being a playoff calibre team probably made it hard to do a full rebuilding. now it looks like they're in a real complete rebuilding mode. i don't see them being competitive for the next 3 years. i think the next time you see them in the playoffs will be 2007.

03-14-2004, 11:22 AM	#10
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	So far, I'm not a Terry Donahue fan. Still, at least Donahue and the 49er front office are honest about the fact that they're still learning cap management. They know they have a weakness in that area, so perhaps they're ready to learn from the mistakes they made. Unfortunately, Bill Walsh no longer has an official role with the team, and I think it was his eye for talent that made the rapid rebuild possible in the first place. I'm not expecting a repeat of that from Donahue, who so far looks like he doesn't have anything close to those skills.

03-14-2004, 08:35 PM	#11
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	I'm more worried about John York than Terry Donahue. Donahue could eventually leave or get fired, but York and DeBartalo's sis seem like there here to stay. They don't know it, but they are fast becoming the worst owners in the NFL. They both know nothing about football and want to run the Niners like a business. They want to make money first THEN win. Debartalo wanted to win and THEN make money. Eddie was smarter than his sis and her dumbass husband. I always like to use the governor analogy. John York is like George Bush. The only reason he's in power is because of his family, yet he has little or no qualifications in the first place.

03-14-2004, 09:05 PM	#12
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	They definitely are not Eddie D, or even Peter Magowan. Maybe the Maloofs can be persuaded to buy the 49ers. Based on the way they run the Kings, that could be a very good thing. I think the Maloofs are among the best owners in all of sports.

03-15-2004, 12:44 PM	#16
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	At leat JJ is still in the league...barely

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