FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bonegavel · 03-17-2004, 04:03 PM

Ben, your system tray and quick launch bar are out of control! I hope you have over a gig of RAM.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 04:04 PM

512Meg...

and you oughta see my desktop

Eaglesfan27 · 03-17-2004, 04:09 PM

I assume you aren't coaching each game?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 04:10 PM

Uh oh. I guess after 30 years as an Indy, the expectations have gone up. First year in, and the A.D. expects me to win the Conf. Championship.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I assume you aren't coaching each game?

Of course not.

Calis · 03-17-2004, 04:13 PM

He did it!

Grats SkyDog, very nice work. You're a more patient man than I.

Now you just have to move them to one of the big conferences.

RPI-Fan · 03-17-2004, 04:15 PM

I'm guessing you should probably dominate your new conference, since your prestige is so high. Don't most 2-level conferences have teams in the 20-40 range?

hukarez · 03-17-2004, 04:15 PM

Now I'm tempted more than ever to buy this game...yet, I'm still patiently waiting for the next iteration of FBB. Arg!!

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

I'm guessing you should probably dominate your new conference, since your prestige is so high. Don't most 2-level conferences have teams in the 20-40 range?

Well, College of Charleston is a little above me. (They're 46, I'm 43.) There are 5 or 6 teams in the conference with prestige in the 30's, and then a small number in the teens and twenties. I should be one of the better teams. We're 2-1 lifetime against College of Charleston. We're 17-9 lifetime total against the other teams in the conference.

WussGawd · 03-17-2004, 04:33 PM

Is it just me, or is anybody else a little leary of working for an AD named "Wagers."

What, Parley had already been hired by UNLV?

Franklinnoble · 03-17-2004, 04:41 PM

It took 30 years to move up? Yikes...

RPI-Fan · 03-17-2004, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

It took 30 years to move up? Yikes...

There was a bug that had a particularly nasty effect on a team like SkyDog's that kept him from raising his prestige properly. Soon after HR fixed it, it looks like things went a lot better.

korme · 03-17-2004, 05:14 PM

Wagers is his recruiting coordinator.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

There was a bug that had a particularly nasty effect on a team like SkyDog's that kept him from raising his prestige properly. Soon after HR fixed it, it looks like things went a lot better.

Not just that, but it is definitely more difficult to gain prestige as an Indy, and the reason is simple and logical: no automatic NCAA bid for the champ. Only the highest-prestige Conference champ at each level is considered for a move up. and Southern Utah was winning the MCC virtually every season. With every MCC Tourney win, they were getting into the Big Dance, while I was *maybe* getting into the NIT. So, I wasn't even getting considered for a move up, and they haven't been able to move up to Level 2. I got lucky the last season in that they went 8-6 in conference play, and lost in the conference tourney.

So, I applied the update in the 2023 season, and it still took 'til 2036 to move up, primarily because of Southern Utah. (The three losing seasons I had during that stretch didn't help me either. In fact, in two of the three times that I wasn't the best Indy during since the patch, Southern Utah also didn't win their conference. I think I would have moved up in 2025--two years after the patch--if I had won it then. Instead, I went 13-16.

Franklinnoble · 03-17-2004, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

There was a bug that had a particularly nasty effect on a team like SkyDog's that kept him from raising his prestige properly. Soon after HR fixed it, it looks like things went a lot better.

So SD's career here was pre-patch, I assume?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

So SD's career here was pre-patch, I assume?

Up to 2023. Read my post above for the details of why, beyond the bug, I didn't move up sooner. The lack of an automatic NCAA bid really hurts the chances of an Indy moving up (as it should, imho).

Franklinnoble · 03-17-2004, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Not just that, but it is definitely more difficult to gain prestige as an Indy, and the reason is simple and logical: no automatic NCAA bid for the champ. Only the highest-prestige Conference champ at each level is considered for a move up. and Southern Utah was winning the MCC virtually every season. With every MCC Tourney win, they were getting into the Big Dance, while I was *maybe* getting into the NIT. So, I wasn't even getting considered for a move up, and they haven't been able to move up to Level 2. I got lucky the last season in that they went 8-6 in conference play, and lost in the conference tourney.

So, I applied the update in the 2023 season, and it still took 'til 2036 to move up, primarily because of Southern Utah. (The three losing seasons I had during that stretch didn't help me either. In fact, in two of the three times that I wasn't the best Indy during since the patch, Southern Utah also didn't win their conference. I think I would have moved up in 2025--two years after the patch--if I had won it then. Instead, I went 13-16.

So do you expect to move up more quickly now that you're in a "real" conference?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

So do you expect to move up more quickly now that you're in a "real" conference?

In general, I'd say it has *got* to be easier, although I read somewhere that there may be a "cap" on how high a smaller school can go. Also, in looking around at the Level two and three conferences, things look good as far as Level 2 goes: I have higher prestige than every Level 2 conference winner from last season. Getting 10 points above a Level three loser from the Southeast could happen soon. I need South Alabama (29) or Florida International (32) to finish last in the Sun Belt soon in the same year that I win the Southern. Apart from those two, it looks like just about every southeastern Level 3 school has prestige in the 50's or 60's. Wiht a little luck, I could be in the Sun Belt pretty quickly, or so it would appear.

spleen1015 · 03-17-2004, 06:04 PM

I need to get this game. Maybe tonight.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I need to get this game. Maybe tonight.

Yes, you do. Tonight.

It has a full-featured demo too.

Peregrine · 03-17-2004, 06:16 PM

Spleen, grab the demo if you want, it's the full game and you can play it for three days. Trust me, you'll be buying it before the three days are up.

Franklinnoble · 03-17-2004, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

In general, I'd say it has *got* to be easier, although I read somewhere that there may be a "cap" on how high a smaller school can go. Also, in looking around at the Level two and three conferences, things look good as far as Level 2 goes: I have higher prestige than every Level 2 conference winner from last season. Getting 10 points above a Level three loser from the Southeast could happen soon. I need South Alabama (29) or Florida International (32) to finish last in the Sun Belt soon in the same year that I win the Southern. Apart from those two, it looks like just about every southeastern Level 3 school has prestige in the 50's or 60's. Wiht a little luck, I could be in the Sun Belt pretty quickly, or so it would appear.

Fascinating.

What makes a school "small?" Is it strictly a static thing, or can it grow? Is it based on enrollment, stadium size, etc?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Fascinating.

What makes a school "small?" Is it strictly a static thing, or can it grow? Is it based on enrollment, stadium size, etc?

Don't know that one. I'm just basing that comment off of something I *think* I remember reading somewhere. Take it as such.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:20 PM

Oh...and maybe I shouldn't be so confident about a fast move up. I lost my first conference game 108-72.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:22 PM

Ok....this brings me to my next question....I'm considered legendary by my A.D. right now, *BUT* he expects me to win the conference. Will his impression of me start lowering before I get canned, or will it happen quickly?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:24 PM

One other comment....scheduling sure is a comparitively quick process since I'd gotten used to having to schedule 28 games every season. 12 is a snap.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:28 PM

Oh...and is that expectation to win the title, the tourney, or both?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:29 PM

Dola--

Yes, I've had the game since December, and have never used any team other than Savannah State.

Galaril · 03-17-2004, 06:29 PM

Can this setting be changed in the middle of a dynasty or only at the beginning.I patched an old dynasty and would like to have a little team conference movement.Is it possible or do I have to start from scratch?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Can this setting be changed in the middle of a dynasty or only at the beginning.I patched an old dynasty and would like to have a little team conference movement.Is it possible or do I have to start from scratch?

You can change it under Tools-->League Options. I don't know if it will screw things up initially or not to change it in the middle of a dynasty. I would think that it wouldn't, especially if you just go to "Limited" movement, which is very nice, imho.

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 06:38 PM

SD: I believe the requirements are either win the conference or the conference tourney. I think HR adjusted that 2 or 3 patches ago. And congrats on the move into the Southern Conference.

Galaril: Yes, you can, under Tools -> League Options

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjolley

SD: I believe the requirements are either win the conference or the conference tourney. I think HR adjusted that 2 or 3 patches ago. And congrats on the move into the Southern Conference.

Galaril: Yes, you can, under Tools -> League Options

I assume that this doesn't count then:

Code:

 2036 Southern Conference Standings

Code:

 North						  CW  CL   Pct   W   L   Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Savannah State				 10   6  .625  17  12  .586
 Appalachian State			   9   6  .600  17  10  .630
 Davidson						9   6  .600  13  13  .500
 East Tennessee State			7   9  .438  12  16  .429
 UNC Greensboro				  6   9  .400   9  16  .360
 Western Carolina				5  10  .333   8  18  .308
 South						  CW  CL   Pct   W   L   Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 College of Charleston		  11   5  .688  15  13  .536
 The Citadel					10   5  .667  15  11  .577
 Wofford						10   5  .667  14  14  .500
 Georgia Southern				9   6  .600  15  12  .556
 Chattanooga					 5  10  .333  10  16  .385
 Furman						  1  15  .063   2  24  .077

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 06:42 PM

Hmmm...I'm not sure how it works for split conferences. I would think that would work, since you won your division, but HR would have to say for sure.

(edited because I can't spell defintively)

Calis · 03-17-2004, 06:42 PM

Hmm, did SkyDog just pull of the nigh impossible Quintuple Dola?

Nice form. I'm even more impressed by that then the getting Savannah State promoted.

Galaril · 03-17-2004, 06:43 PM

Thanks guys for the quick response.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjolley

Hmmm...I'm not sure how it works for split conferences. I would think that would work, since you won your division, but HR would have to say for sure.

(edited because I can't spell defintively)

Well, I lost in the first round of the Conference Tourney, and in moving on to the next season, my job evalation remained at "Your performance is the stuff of legends."

The goal is still listed as "Win the conference championship."

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 06:48 PM

I wouldn't count on staying that close, though. Get that team in gear and win the title outright.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:48 PM

Ooooh....Now things are getting tempting. Getting offers from schools I have actually heard of (Level 3).

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjolley

I wouldn't count on staying that close, though. Get that team in gear and win the title outright.

I started three red shirt freshmen by the time that season was over, and two of them were named to the Freshman All American team. We should be ok the next couple of years.

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 06:50 PM

Hold out for Georgia Tech.

HeavyReign · 03-17-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Ok....this brings me to my next question....I'm considered legendary by my A.D. right now, *BUT* he expects me to win the conference. Will his impression of me start lowering before I get canned, or will it happen quickly?

It would likely be a slow fall from there depending on how close you come to the goal each year.

Quote:

Oh...and is that expectation to win the title, the tourney, or both?

Either will do.

Quote:

I assume that this doesn't count then

No. You would need the best record in the entire conference. Just winning your division isn't enough.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

It would likely be a slow fall from there depending on how close you come to the goal each year.

The more I learn about this game, the better it gets.

Neuqua · 03-17-2004, 07:47 PM

Skydog, I know you're not a huge hoops fan as it is, but is it safe to say you *really* do enjoy this game?

I love college hoops, imagine the nirvana-like state I'm in while playing.

Buccaneer · 03-17-2004, 07:55 PM

How's the gametime micromanagement? Or better, what do you do?

RPI-Fan · 03-17-2004, 08:01 PM

Gametime, you can make subs, adjust defensive matchups, defensive sets, and general settings (pace, motion, 3-pointers).

Or, you can let the computer do it, and it does just fine (see SkyDog's success - I can't imagine he's micromanaged 40 seasons already).

Buccaneer · 03-17-2004, 08:03 PM

Thanks RPI, my interest in this game (as in TCY) is seeing the standings, league leaders and of course, the brackets, and where my team places in each.

digamma · 03-17-2004, 08:11 PM

You will enjoy it then, Buc. I will occasionally "watch" one of my games, but I've never coached one in 20 seasons. I will usually check the box score after every couple of games to make sure players are generally getting the minutes I want for them.

The real enjoyment for me is following the standings, the RPI, the bubble watch. Trying to figure out if I am going to make the tournament, etc. I also enjoy watching guys move up my team records list. Right now, for example I have a guy who should break my career assist record by the end of the season--with a little luck he will end up placing pretty high on the NCAA list as well.

MizzouRah · 03-17-2004, 08:13 PM

Congrats SD! Next year in my Savannah St. dynasty, I'm going to have my team come full circle. I just added another 3* recruit to my ream. My freshman will be a year older! ... drool!

Todd

finkenst · 03-17-2004, 08:15 PM

ok.. so comparing to fof and/or tcy, how does it compare?

how about a link for us lazy people?

03-17-2004, 04:04 PM	#3
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03-17-2004, 04:09 PM	#4
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03-17-2004, 04:10 PM	#5
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Uh oh. I guess after 30 years as an Indy, the expectations have gone up. First year in, and the A.D. expects me to win the Conf. Championship. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-17-2004, 04:15 PM	#8
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	I'm guessing you should probably dominate your new conference, since your prestige is so high. Don't most 2-level conferences have teams in the 20-40 range? __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

03-17-2004, 04:15 PM	#9
hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	Now I'm tempted more than ever to buy this game...yet, I'm still patiently waiting for the next iteration of FBB. Arg!! __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter

03-17-2004, 04:03 PM	#2
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	Ben, your system tray and quick launch bar are out of control! I hope you have over a gig of RAM.

03-17-2004, 04:13 PM	#7
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	He did it! Grats SkyDog, very nice work. You're a more patient man than I. Now you just have to move them to one of the big conferences.

03-17-2004, 04:33 PM	#11
WussGawd College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Avondale, AZ, USA, Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy	Is it just me, or is anybody else a little leary of working for an AD named "Wagers." What, Parley had already been hired by UNLV? __________________ "I guess I'll fade into Bolivian." -Mike Tyson, after being knocked out by Lennox Lewis. Proud Dumba Elect of the "Biggest Dumba of FOFC Award" Author of the 2004 Golden Scribe Gold Trophy for Best Basketball Dynasty, It Rhymes With Puke.

03-17-2004, 04:41 PM	#12
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	It took 30 years to move up? Yikes...

03-17-2004, 05:14 PM	#14
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Wagers is his recruiting coordinator.

03-17-2004, 06:04 PM	#20
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I need to get this game. Maybe tonight.

03-17-2004, 06:16 PM	#22
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Spleen, grab the demo if you want, it's the full game and you can play it for three days. Trust me, you'll be buying it before the three days are up.

03-17-2004, 06:20 PM	#25
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Oh...and maybe I shouldn't be so confident about a fast move up. I lost my first conference game 108-72. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-17-2004, 06:22 PM	#26
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Ok....this brings me to my next question....I'm considered legendary by my A.D. right now, BUT he expects me to win the conference. Will his impression of me start lowering before I get canned, or will it happen quickly? __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-17-2004, 06:24 PM	#27
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	One other comment....scheduling sure is a comparitively quick process since I'd gotten used to having to schedule 28 games every season. 12 is a snap. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-17-2004, 06:28 PM	#28
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Oh...and is that expectation to win the title, the tourney, or both? __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-17-2004, 06:29 PM	#29
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Dola-- Yes, I've had the game since December, and have never used any team other than Savannah State. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

03-17-2004, 06:29 PM	#30
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	conference movement Can this setting be changed in the middle of a dynasty or only at the beginning.I patched an old dynasty and would like to have a little team conference movement.Is it possible or do I have to start from scratch?

03-17-2004, 06:38 PM	#32
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	SD: I believe the requirements are either win the conference or the conference tourney. I think HR adjusted that 2 or 3 patches ago. And congrats on the move into the Southern Conference. Galaril: Yes, you can, under Tools -> League Options

03-17-2004, 06:42 PM	#34
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Hmmm...I'm not sure how it works for split conferences. I would think that would work, since you won your division, but HR would have to say for sure. (edited because I can't spell defintively) Last edited by rjolley : 03-17-2004 at 06:42 PM.

03-17-2004, 06:43 PM	#36
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	ThANKS Thanks guys for the quick response.

03-17-2004, 06:48 PM	#38
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	I wouldn't count on staying that close, though. Get that team in gear and win the title outright.

03-17-2004, 06:50 PM	#41
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Hold out for Georgia Tech.

03-17-2004, 07:47 PM	#44
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Skydog, I know you're not a huge hoops fan as it is, but is it safe to say you really do enjoy this game? I love college hoops, imagine the nirvana-like state I'm in while playing. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

03-17-2004, 07:55 PM	#45
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	How's the gametime micromanagement? Or better, what do you do?

03-17-2004, 08:01 PM	#46
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Gametime, you can make subs, adjust defensive matchups, defensive sets, and general settings (pace, motion, 3-pointers). Or, you can let the computer do it, and it does just fine (see SkyDog's success - I can't imagine he's micromanaged 40 seasons already). __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

03-17-2004, 08:03 PM	#47
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Thanks RPI, my interest in this game (as in TCY) is seeing the standings, league leaders and of course, the brackets, and where my team places in each.

03-17-2004, 08:11 PM	#48
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	You will enjoy it then, Buc. I will occasionally "watch" one of my games, but I've never coached one in 20 seasons. I will usually check the box score after every couple of games to make sure players are generally getting the minutes I want for them. The real enjoyment for me is following the standings, the RPI, the bubble watch. Trying to figure out if I am going to make the tournament, etc. I also enjoy watching guys move up my team records list. Right now, for example I have a guy who should break my career assist record by the end of the season--with a little luck he will end up placing pretty high on the NCAA list as well.

03-17-2004, 08:13 PM	#49
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Congrats SD! Next year in my Savannah St. dynasty, I'm going to have my team come full circle. I just added another 3* recruit to my ream. My freshman will be a year older! ... drool! Todd

03-17-2004, 08:15 PM	#50
finkenst College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: usually sunny SoCal	ok.. so comparing to fof and/or tcy, how does it compare? how about a link for us lazy people?

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