Star Wars Episode 3:The Creaping Fear?

[stevew]

Someone tell me this isnt true. Say it aint so.

Originally Posted by http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17252

The title for STAR WARS EPISODE III? Heh... I know...
Hey folks, Harry here... Ordinarily I would stay about 30,000 miles away from a rumor about the title of the final Star Wars prequel. How many rumors have there been? A zillion? I've been hearing "RISE OF THE EMPIRE" for a billion years now, but I've always dismissed it because frankly - with the last film having "of the" in the title, I really didn't feel that Lucas would have that in a subsequent title... didn't feel like his style. That being said - when I got this email... with all the blank pieces filled in and when I talked to a friend that knew the person that fills those blanks and works with them - well - this early morning they confirmed this for me. Now... having said that - it is awfully close to April 1st and well that brings out the loons. But I believe this title simply because... well... it sounds like something Lucas would hatch for the final title. Read on, I'll be back afterwards...
Hi Harry,

A lttle nugget of Star Wars info...I work in the animation industry, and I've just had a very interesting conversation with ___________ ___. We were discussing the presentations for the upcoming MIPCOM tradefair which starts at the weekend, and she/he/it was talking about the _____________, and how successful it's been for them...etc...then she/he/it said that Lucasfilm will be announcing the title of Episode 3 early next week, and they were rushing to reprint some artwork with the new title to take to MIP.

She/he/it said the title had been 'Rise of the Empire', but George Lucas recently changed his mind, and it will now be titled 'The Creeping Fear'. She/he/it said this refers to a hooded Death type character who wipes out the Jedi.

If you do use this, can you be sure to leave out ___________ ___'s name...(I wouldn't want he/her/it to get into trouble!)

Thanks Harry,

Call me Gibby Bunt

THE CREEPING FEAR... it sounds like a serial chapter title... it has a retrofunk to it and like both the previous names it would be sure to drive fanboys screaming mad about how Lucas is insane and how Fincher should be directing the final part... but... THE CREEPING FEAR is the thing that's gonna bite Anakin on the ass and complete his transformation. THE CREEPING FEAR is what is going to be wiping out the Jedi, making the few survivors genuinely feeling like lucky bastards. This could all be bullshit, but we'll see soon enough if the rest of the email is correct... personally I do have a skeptical side... after all, THE PHANTOM MENACE was unleashed in September... and ATTACK OF THE CLONES was an August thing, almost a full month earlier... this would be quite a bit earlier than expected... Let's see if THE CREEPING FEAR turns out to be more than just geeks' feelings towards the 3rd and final prequel.

[stevew]

Okay, Its "Creeping Fear"

[sovereignstar]

Got any more links to illegitimate cheap video game deals?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Got any more links to illegitimate cheap video game deals?

Man, screw Buy.com. That was all up on like 2 different cheapass sites I visit. Im sorry bout that

[sovereignstar]

Just giving you shit. Why should this be taken seriously though?

[stevew]

Hey, for real, if you want a good deal on video games, look at the target ad paper weekly. Invariably they will put games on sale every week. Invariably most of the titles will sell out buy tuesday(if its a regularly $49.99 title priced at say $29.99). Go in and get a raincheck for the out of stock title. Then use that raincheck on any game you want. Not a bad deal. And totally legal

[Draft Dodger]

well, if Ain't it Cool says it's true...it likely isn't.

[tucker342]

If anyone wants a whole hell of a lot of Star Wars information checkout http://www.supershadow.com/
warning: LOTS OF SPOILERS

I don't know how accurate it is, but it has plot scripts for Episodes 7, 8, 9. Which he says is going to start filming in 2012(I hope not, George Lucas has ruined Star Wars enough)

Interesting website though

[stevew]

Originally Posted by tucker342

If anyone wants a whole hell of a lot of Star Wars information checkout http://www.supershadow.com/
warning: LOTS OF SPOILERS

I don't know how accurate it is, but it has plot scripts for Episodes 7, 8, 9. Which he says is going to start filming in 2012(I hope not, George Lucas has ruined Star Wars enough)

Interesting website though

Ive heard Supershadow is a farce.

[fhasumi]

Does anybody think these next ones are going to be any better than the last 2 bombs?

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by fhasumi

Does anybody think these next ones are going to be any better than the last 2 bombs?

While Episode 1 sucked donkey balls, I thought Episode was 2 was a decent enough movie, nowhere near the level of the first 3 movies but still decent enough. Episode 3 has enough inherent momentum being a lead in to #4 that it has to be at least decent. Of course, I'll never underestimate Lucas' ability to screw things up horribly.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

While Episode 1 sucked donkey balls, I thought Episode was 2 was a decent enough movie, nowhere near the level of the first 3 movies but still decent enough. Episode 3 has enough inherent momentum being a lead in to #4 that it has to be at least decent. Of course, I'll never underestimate Lucas' ability to screw things up horribly.

Episode 2 depressed the hell out of me because it made me realize how much the first three were really dependent on the actors. Unless you can hook Harrison Ford up to the juvenation machine or George Lucas somehow remembers how to cast, I'm scared that 3 will be more wink wink jokes and wooden acting.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hate these movies. so. much. Rage building... Anger rising....

I just can't get excited for this third film. I just want it to come out, so we can get this whole thing over with. We should have expected crap after seeing the Star Wars re-releases. The signs were all there...

[Desnudo]

I think I'd look forward to a Spaceballs sequel more right now actually.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Will the title song be by Metallica then ?

[Eaglesfan27]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I really enjoyed the last one. I agree the first one was crap, but I find myself watching (at least in the background) the second one whenever it comes on cable tv (which is a lot.)

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by fantastic flying froggies

Will the title song be by Metallica then ?

Creeping Death, but I'm sure they could change it. Personally, I think Star Wars could use some Iron Maiden in the soundtrack, but I'm just an aging headbanger.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Hate these movies. so. much. Rage building... Anger rising....

I just can't get excited for this third film. I just want it to come out, so we can get this whole thing over with. We should have expected crap after seeing the Star Wars re-releases. The signs were all there...

I used to be a gigantic fan, but now I feel like you do. We just have to get this over with. Episodes 1 & 2 are 2 of the biggest pieces of cinematic shit I've ever seen. Just fucking disasters from start to finish.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I used to be a gigantic fan, but now I feel like you do. We just have to get this over with. Episodes 1 & 2 are 2 of the biggest pieces of cinematic shit I've ever seen. Just fucking disasters from start to finish.

Amen, brother.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Originally Posted by sachmo71

Creeping Death, but I'm sure they could change it. Personally, I think Star Wars could use some Iron Maiden in the soundtrack, but I'm just an aging headbanger.

I know it's Creeping Death, but I thought it would fit anyway...
signed,
another again headbanger...

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by fhasumi

Does anybody think these next ones are going to be any better than the last 2 bombs?

I really think parts 4-6 are going to be great! I can't wait till they come out!

[Shepp]

What does it say for Gworge Lucas when the story in "Knights of the old Republic" is head and shoulders better than any of the crap he has put together in either of the last two movies?

[BigJohn&TheLions]

It could be titled "Anakin's Anal Adventure" and geeks would still flock to see it by the millions...

I'll do the same thing as with the first two prequils... wait until the hype has died down to go be disappointed.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

It could be titled "Anakin's Anal Adventure" ...

DING ! We have a winner !

[RendeR]

Wow, I can't even begin to comment on the comments here.

If you dislike the man's movies, stay home. He won't care. honest.

[Easy Mac]

I think they should title it "Its Fucking Queer."

[Noop]

I think this will be good...

[ISiddiqui]

One wonders if people actually thought that Episodes 4-6 were good moviemaking? And if so, what are these people smoking?

Episode 2, at least, was just as well written AND acted as the first three of the series. People are suffereing from 'everything was better in the old days' nostaglia. Doesn't mean I hated them, just take them for what they are.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

One wonders if people actually thought that Episodes 4-6 were good moviemaking? And if so, what are these people smoking?

Episode 2, at least, was just as well written AND acted as the first three of the series. People are suffereing from 'everything was better in the old days' nostaglia. Doesn't mean I hated them, just take them for what they are.

Empire Strikes Back::The Phantom Menace
The Godfather::Gigli

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Wow, I can't even begin to comment on the comments here.

If you dislike the man's movies, stay home. He won't care. honest.

We have no right to express our opinions? I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE star wars fan going into EP1. I saw the fucking midnight showing, and saw it again in digital projection. The movie sucked a fat one, and the 2nd was equally bad. If you think the originals weren't any better, you simply can't tell good movies from bad.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

One wonders if people actually thought that Episodes 4-6 were good moviemaking? And if so, what are these people smoking?

Episode 2, at least, was just as well written AND acted as the first three of the series.

No.....It.....Wasn't.

[rkmsuf]

The bloopers were much better in the old ones...I like it when the stormtrooper hits his head...

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

One wonders if people actually thought that Episodes 4-6 were good moviemaking? And if so, what are these people smoking?

Episode 2, at least, was just as well written AND acted as the first three of the series. People are suffereing from 'everything was better in the old days' nostaglia. Doesn't mean I hated them, just take them for what they are.

If we were to have a board of 20-to-infinity number of published movie critics review The Empire Strikes Back versus your choice of either episode 1 or 2, I would gladly bet my LIFE that they would rate the ESB a full grade higher (on average) on a 5 point scale.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Wow, I can't even begin to comment on the comments here.

If you dislike the man's movies, stay home. He won't care. honest.

If you dislike the posts, then stay out of the thread. We won't care. Honest.

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

We have no right to express our opinions? I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE star wars fan going into EP1. I saw the fucking midnight showing, and saw it again in digital projection. The movie sucked a fat one, and the 2nd was equally bad. If you think the originals weren't any better, you simply can't tell good movies from bad.

This cracked me up. You saw the first one at a midnight showing, thought it sucked, and so you went back to see it again??!? WTF is that all about?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

We have no right to express our opinions? I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE star wars fan going into EP1. I saw the fucking midnight showing, and saw it again in digital projection. The movie sucked a fat one, and the 2nd was equally bad. If you think the originals weren't any better, you simply can't tell good movies from bad.

Oh I can tell good movies from bad, thats not the issue, the issue is you didn't like the way the creator made his own movie, and you feel like lashing out at him because of...what? You think he owes you a better (by your standards) prequel to his first trilogy?

I grew up with Star Wars, and frankly, I don't much give a rats fat bloated ass what the "majority" of people say, the first movie was the best movie, Empire was great, but it changed the style of the story from one that was more melodramatic to something more serious. The third was made for kids, pure and simple, it wasn't aimed at the discerning movie goer and certainly wasn't aimed at the hard core (and I believe sometimes "living in their own little universe) Star wars fans.

So of course everyone complains, "its not what we expected from the story" well no shit, you didn't write it, you didn't have to watch it either.

Now the first three movies are filmed and here we go again "its terrible, its not the amazing acting and stellar storyline we expected from Lucas" well gee, lets think about this one now:

its PRE QUEL, its not supposed to be flashier and better than the originals, its supposed to introduce characters and BACK story, and frankly folks THATS BORING.

In episode one they reverted to the melodramatic almost campy acting style they had in the original picture, it worked just fine, it told a story, it developed the background of many characters, and it was cute enough to pull in the children of a new generation. Which, of course, was the whole farking point of making the movies.

they made a more interesting movie for the modern fans in episode 2, and still everyone complains.

You are right, you are entitled to your opinion, but maybe your opinion is more than a little blown out of proportion. I've listened to people left right forwads and backwords do nothing but bitch about the films. It gets old. You've beaten the dead horse until its not even good for glue anymore.

If you don't like the fucking movies, stop being a ass fuck and don't GO to the movies. but of course you've already crossed that boundry "I saw it again in digital...." you hated it the first time, and what? thought it would get BETTER with repetition?

Stop bitching, accept the movies for what they were meant to be, or just stop going to them altogether. Screaming at the wind about how terrible you thought they were isn't going to stop the next one from being made, its not going to make lucas change how he makes the films, and it certainly isn't going to keep ANYONE with the slightest interest in the stories from going to it.

By all means, say whatever you like, but at least try and make it something worth saying and stop blowing smoke out yer ass for everyone to read through.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

This cracked me up. You saw the first one at a midnight showing, thought it sucked, and so you went back to see it again??!? WTF is that all about?

yeah, no shit, lends real weight to his opinion doesn't it?.


My apologies for my previous rant, I just get really annoyed with movie-whiners. Its a choice people, you don't have to CHOOSE to go.

[Tigercat]

I agree with the sentiment that people kid themselves when they think episodes 4-6 were great pieces of film making. The only reason the first 3 are a better piece of storytelling is because Lucas went for obvious grand space opera and the public was ready for it. If Lucas followed the same exact formula for the first 3 episodes, went with some of the same obvious and corny plot lines, some people would have been just as sick of these movies as they are now.

The first three movies had bad bad acting. Hello, even if the part was made fairly well for him Mark Hamill couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. I am surprised more people don't look at 4-6 again years later and think "Man those are some bad lines and an even worse delivery!" But most don't because of nostalgia.

Lucas didn't suddenly become a sucky filmmaker over night, its just that no one can make you feel like movies 4-6 made you feel, just like no Godfather movie after 1 and 2 could ever feel as enthralled as the originals.

[Chief Rum]

Don't worry, Render. I for one agree with you, although I don't think I would take it as far as you did.

I think expectations were ridiculiusly high for the prequels, given the amazing popularity of the original series. But looking back at the originals now, I can't see they are technically great movies, at least not when it comes to story-telling or acting (for the most part). Even the dialogue is mostly hokie.

I think where Lucas is having problems is that he has made the storyline a lot more complicated, which is difficult to do (and frankly, Lucas has shown he's not all that good at complicated plot lines). I also think he went too much for the kiddies, as you noted, but I understand why he did that. And I think he and his screenwriters just didn't do as good a job of writing interesting characters. Guiness's Obi-Wan, Han Solo, Yoda, the droids, Chewbacca and, of course, big badass Darth Vader-- I mean, these are some kick ass characters. The prequels (so far) have nothing on them. Personally, I think the most interesting characters in the prequels so far have been Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, and damn it all to hell, they killed them both off in the first movie.

Basically, I don't think the prequels grab the modern adult movie-goer the way the originals grabbed all audiences, because of the above issues. But outside of Guiness and Ford, I don't think any cast member in the prequels has done a shameful job in comparison tot eh campy acts put up by the originals' other stars, and the special effects remain very solid, and the moivies fun to experience, even if it's not on the same level as the first trilogy.

EDIT: The sentence in the middle of the above paragraph is badlywritten. I am saying no one in the prequels holds a candle to Ford or Guinness, IMO, when it comes to acting, but they were just as good as anyone else in the originals (real, that is).

Basically, I have accepted that I, personally, am probably not going to enjoy these the way I enjoyed the originals, because I'm not a kid anymore (which made it so wonderful for me), and it's not ground-breaking effects stuff anymore (which is what hooked the parents and adults of the time). For instance, my dad probably knew Mark Hamill wasn't going to end up doing shit with his acting "prowess", but he was smart enough not to tell my brother and I that, as we wore out our new "VCR" by repeatedly playing our tape of Star Wars (I think we saw it 42 times in one summer when we were about 9-10, IIRC).

But even accpeting that, I have enjoyed the prequels for what they are--passingly entertaining films with cool connections to some of my favorite movies of all time, and as worthy of being seen as most blockbusters released nowadays.

That said, I do hope that the dim rumors I have heard about Episodes 7-9 possibly being done by someone else are true. I know Lucas doesn't want to do them, and I have heard he will only allow them to be done if the right guy takes it over. Like his Raiders of the Lost Ark co-producer buddy, Steven Spielbergo perhaps?...(a guy can dream, right?)...

CR

[BishopMVP]

I get the feeling part of it is that children like Lucas' filmaking (reportedly Jar Jar Binks was a hit among kids ). So a lot of people let their nostalgia and initial impressions impact their opinion of the first three movies. Most of the people who hate the new ones are people who saw the first three when they were growing up. Just my opinion.

[stevew]

Man, I cant believe RendeR and I have found common ground. If you all want to hate on Star Wars, fuck off.

Face it, you would have hated any Episodes 1-3. While I might not LOVE the newest 2 movies, IMO they stack up well with the others. All in all we will have a nice 6 part series.

I love the fact that he went in and messed around with the originals. Outside of possibly the design decision of having Greedo shoot first, Im all for it.

[Anthony]

the problems people have with these prequels is this:

1. one assumes if you're going to take an outdated franchise who last movie was made some 25 years ago - you're going to improve upon it somehow. access to better acting, better technology for better effects, etc. unfortunately the uproar is that the prequels so far have not improved upon the first 3 movies, their quality is poor to the point where they begin to detract from the franchise many have loved.

2. consistently bad decisions when it comes to acting. the boy who plays the young anikan makes me cringe. i didn't notice it when i saw it in the movies, but repeated viewings are awful, enough to detract from the movie. hayden christiansen is horrible as an actor in the star wars series, and natalie portman, while great jackoff material, gives a performance that would make Keanu Reeves proud. the CGI characters display more charsima and watchability than these actors, whereas we are accustomed to by and large more believable performances from people like Ford or even the character of Darth Vadar.

3. an overreliance on technology has stripped the soul off the franchise. there are more CGI characters in Phantom Menace than in all three 4-6 episodes. more blue screen backgrounds than actual on-location set pieces. there was a tangible quality to the franchise, from the desert of Attila the Hut to the costumed aliens worn by the extras. Star Wars was never intended to be a showcase for the latest in special effects technology (as the Matrix franchise was intended).

you just can't mix real characters with essentially cartoons and expect adults to sit through it. don't give me that weak line "the prequels are meant for the kids". children of this generation had no idea of the star wars series. the prequels were aimed for the adults, the built-in market who would actually care about the backstory of a series that came out 2 decades ago.

so, you got not adding to the franchise, bad acting and too much CGI, add it up and you're left with people scratching their heads in bewilderment asking why is their beloved franchise being shit on.

[ISiddiqui]

If we were to have a board of 20-to-infinity number of published movie critics review The Empire Strikes Back versus your choice of either episode 1 or 2, I would gladly bet my LIFE that they would rate the ESB a full grade higher (on average) on a 5 point scale.

Mostly for nostalgia's sake. I'd say ESB is better than AotC, but not by much. As bad has Hayden Christensen is, take a look at Mark Hamill's shit performance.

[Suicane75]

I would rather go down on Star Jones on the hottest, most humid day of the year than ever watch that abomination that is AOTC again. The story, the characters, the intensity, the acting, the aura of all of the first 3 movies are all so much better than AOTC that i dont understand how anyone can debate it. Chapter 2 was a decent movie, and it moved closer to the feel of the first 3 but it was not in there league.

[ISiddiqui]

The story, the characters, the intensity, the acting, the aura of all of the first 3 movies are all so much better than AOTC

LOL! Oh wait, you aren't joking.

AotC wiped the floor with RotJ.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

LOL! Oh wait, you aren't joking.

AotC wiped the floor with RotJ.

I think the only thing that we will agree on is that we should never catch a film together.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I thought the first 2 haven't been that bad. As far as the acting goes, all the actors are basically acting in front of a blue screen. Lucas has become so obsessed with it, it has hurt that part a lot.

I really think the midichlorians(?) angle is stupid. "Hey let's just give a blood test and see if they are Jedi!" That part he should have done away with.

Looking back at the original trilogy, what these Jedi can do in the prequels makes Luke look like an absolute wuss. It's amazing the good guys won.

Overall though I have liked the films for what they are which is entertaining.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm sticking with cthomer5000 on this one. It's not even close. Godfather::Gigli is a good comparison. If you don't want to be so dramatic, I could settle for Godfather::Godfather III.

Yes, the Ewoks suck, but they aren't even in the same ballpark of suck as Jar-Jar Binks. Not even close. Hell, I'd even take the damned little Ewoks over that droid factory scene (and C-3PO's horrible jokes) any day.

Don't even get me started on metacholrians or whatever the hell those things were called.

The last two films are just poor. Poor acting. Poor screen-plays. Overly confusing and ridiculous plots. Over-used CGI. It's really a shame too. Well, we got Lord of The Rings. I guess it's more than we geeks could hope for.