A poker hand question

[Radii]

It's a $50+$5 sit n' go at partypoker. It's the 3rd or 4th hand, no one has a major difference in chips yet.

I have JsTs on the button. I limp with many others(probably like 6 or 7 of us).

The flop comes:

8s9sJh

I have straight draw, flush draw, 2 of those flush outs give me a straight flush.

By the time the action gets to me, three OTHER people are all in. Do you also call the all-in?

[sabotai]

No way. With 3 other people all in, 8 9 J on the flop...somebody hit their straight.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by sabotai

No way. With 3 other people all in, 8 9 J on the flop...somebody hit their straight.

I agree with that. With 3 other people all in it seems VERY unlikely that you have the best hand now and you can't even be sure that if you hit the flush it will be good. And as sab said since it seems likely someone made their straight then if you hit your straight at best you will split the pot and at worst you will have the ignorant end. (Unless you hit the straight flush of course.) So really the only hand you would feel real comfortable with hitting is the straight flush and you certainly don;t want to risk all your chips this early in a tournament on 2 outs.

Also if you are pretty certain that you areone of the better players in the tournament. Then the fact that by staying out of this hand should bump you up two places closer to the money makes it a very easy lay down. Now if you think you are outgunned by all 9 other people then a call makes more sense.

[Chubby]

i agree, dont go all in on a draw especially with 3 others all in already ahead of you

[Vegas Vic]

This is the difference between limit and no-limit. In a limit game, he would cap the flop, as he would be a mathematical favorite to win the hand.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

This is the difference between limit and no-limit. In a limit game, he would cap the flop, as he would be a mathematical favorite to win the hand.

really? Even with top pair, there's only a Q kicker. Interesting.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Chubby

really? Even with top pair, there's only a Q kicker. Interesting.

Actually, my post was poorly worded. In a limit game, he would be more than happy to see a capped flop, because his pot equity would be greater than the money that he is putting in. He's not favored to win the hand, but he's getting a positive return on his investment. In a no-limit game where it's all or nothing in one hand, it changes the decision significantly.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Actually, my post was poorly worded. In a limit game, he would be more than happy to see a capped flop, because his pot equity would be greater than the money that he is putting in. He's not favored to win the hand, but he's getting a positive return on his investment. In a no-limit game where it's all or nothing in one hand, it changes the decision significantly.

Ahh ok, that makes more sense.

[Radii]

Thanks for the thoughts. Just to finish up, I called.

I had: Js Ts

Board: 8s 9s Jd

I was up against:
7c Tc (made straight)
As 5s (nut flush draw)
Td 9d (much weaker draws than me)

As 5s won when the king of spades hit the turn. I am making the money in over 50% of these sit n go's so far and I should have been confidant in my ability to outplay these guys later, in retrospect.

[QuikSand]

The likely presence of the nut flush draw (or almost certainly a better flush draw than yours) out there is the killer, I think. You had outs even against a made top straight (QT), but if you were up against both that hand and the big flush draw... then your only true outs were 7s and Qs to the straight flush. Certainly not enough to call the bet there against multiple all-ins.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

The likely presence of the nut flush draw (or almost certainly a better flush draw than yours) out there is the killer, I think. You had outs even against a made top straight (QT), but if you were up against both that hand and the big flush draw... then your only true outs were 7s and Qs to the straight flush. Certainly not enough to call the bet there against multiple all-ins.

I think that is what got me really. I figured that either my straight draw or my flush draw was good, and if I got lucky both could have been good. this is partypoker... this time I was up against flush draw and a made straight(and one hand I had dominated). But knowing that its partypoker, I was actually suprised by this, I really expected to see AJ, a set, and one horrible horrible call. The more I think about it, the more I think I would probably make this call more often than not in a sit n' go, but that in a multi-player tournament I probably would not.