Pedro Martinez...

Marmel · 04-04-2004, 08:00 PM

...hits a batter already. Does this guy have any self control? Discuss.

sterlingice · 04-04-2004, 08:07 PM

Cute thread, Marmel. But he hit a guy because he hasn't been able to hit the broad side of the barn all night.

SI

SirFozzie · 04-04-2004, 08:16 PM

Hoo boy. Pedro really wants that big contract, don't he?

Balldog · 04-04-2004, 08:18 PM

When he first hit Segui I was like WTF, but after watching a little more he just does not have much control tonight. May have something to do with the colder weather.

Philliesfan980 · 04-04-2004, 08:21 PM

Pedro will be the disappointment of the year, he's not anywhere close to the same pitcher he was even 2 years ago.

Buccaneer · 04-04-2004, 08:21 PM

Wait a minute, are these game for real??? I see a lot of interleague games and even a 5-5 tie. WTF?

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 08:24 PM

This is the only "real" game of the day. The rest start tomorrow or Tuesday.

And part of Pedro's problem is that it's cold. The Latin American guys can't take it.

sooner333 · 04-04-2004, 08:24 PM

The only real game today is Boston-Baltimore.

Buccaneer · 04-04-2004, 08:25 PM

This MLB scheduling is really stupid, imo - like a lot of other things about MLB.

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 09:06 PM

Aside from the Japan games, this is how the season has started for a number of years - one Sunday night game, and several afternoon games on Monday, with at least one 7-7:30 EST and 10:30 EST game so they can be televised all day long. Not a big deal, IMO - just an extra primetime game on a pretty quiet night otherwise (unless you count women's basketball, which I don't). Even the NHL finished up earlier today.

Suicane75 · 04-04-2004, 09:07 PM

Not to threadjack, but why is John Kruk playing Center Field for the Red Sox?

Carligula · 04-04-2004, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Not to threadjack, but why is John Kruk playing Center Field for the Red Sox?

I thought that was Yanni...

sterlingice · 04-04-2004, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Aside from the Japan games, this is how the season has started for a number of years - one Sunday night game, and several afternoon games on Monday, with at least one 7-7:30 EST and 10:30 EST game so they can be televised all day long. Not a big deal, IMO - just an extra primetime game on a pretty quiet night otherwise (unless you count women's basketball, which I don't). Even the NHL finished up earlier today.

I'm pretty sure even this was a relatively recent invention of ESPN (as in the past 10 years). For the longest time, the first game was played by the Reds on Monday afternoon because I remember watching one on WGN and them mentioning how it was a longstanding tradition.

SI

cthomer5000 · 04-04-2004, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

This MLB scheduling is really stupid, imo - like a lot of other things about MLB.

Agreed. It's made for an incredibly bizzare beginning of the season. You have the Yankees playing a regular season game in Japan, coming home and playing a few more exhibition games, then going back to the regular season. WTF?

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'm pretty sure even this was a relatively recent invention of ESPN (as in the past 10 years). For the longest time, the first game was played by the Reds on Monday afternoon because I remember watching one on WGN and them mentioning how it was a longstanding tradition.

SI

That's true. I can remember a particular Sunday night game involving the Cardinals during law school, which would have been the 1994 season at earliest. However, I don't see what makes it "stupid" to try to fit an extra primetime game in the schedule, much the way the NFL is now doing with an opening Thursday night game. The Japanese series is another matter.

sterlingice · 04-04-2004, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That's true. I can remember a particular Sunday night game involving the Cardinals during law school, which would have been the 1994 season at earliest. However, I don't see what makes it "stupid" to try to fit an extra primetime game in the schedule, much the way the NFL is now doing with an opening Thursday night game. The Japanese series is another matter.

I like the Japan games but I'm starting to think I'm the only one.

SI

Buccaneer · 04-04-2004, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Agreed. It's made for an incredibly bizzare beginning of the season. You have the Yankees playing a regular season game in Japan, coming home and playing a few more exhibition games, then going back to the regular season. WTF?

That was what I was referring too, plus having a regular season game and the same day as a bunch of exhibition games. Howabout everyone ending the exhibition season on Sunday (today), usually playing against a nearby rival or against a good local college team and then everyone start the regular season on Tuesday (or a couple of team starting on Monday)?

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 09:34 PM

I think another reason the Sunday night opener makes sense is because the college basketball final is Monday night and steals the thunder of baseball's opening day. Baseball will always traditionally open with a majority of afternoon games on Monday, but because of the basketball game, they can't take top billing during primetime. The Sunday night game is a preemptive strike on that. At least I think that's the intent.

Easy Mac · 04-04-2004, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Not to threadjack, but why is John Kruk playing Center Field for the Red Sox?

Unfortunately no, John Kruk is on Basbeall Tonight

MizzouRah · 04-04-2004, 09:41 PM

Javy Lopez is hitting the shezaw out of the ball tonight. I like the look of the Orioles, they could be trouble for the Bosox and Yanks.

Todd

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 09:45 PM

The Orioles just don't have the pitching.

Swaggs · 04-04-2004, 09:46 PM

The new Red Sox CF:

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 09:50 PM

Actually, I thought the funniest commentary about Damon was from one of the Page Two writers (I think) who suggested that Dan Fogelberg should sue him for copyright infringement.

MizzouRah · 04-04-2004, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The Orioles just don't have the pitching.

True, but the Cardinals don't either and I think (hope) they'll be close to the top.

Todd

Ksyrup · 04-04-2004, 09:58 PM

The Cards don't have pitching, either, but they've got some young guys and Carpenter, who all could realistically be good this year. I don't see the Orioles having a similar staff.

McSweeny · 04-04-2004, 10:36 PM

Pedro looked pretty good tonight; 6 innings and 2 earned runs. We just didn't get the hits when we needed them

k0ruptr · 04-05-2004, 04:09 AM

pedro had one bad inning, then pitched great after that.

MizzouRah · 04-05-2004, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The Cards don't have pitching, either, but they've got some young guys and Carpenter, who all could realistically be good this year. I don't see the Orioles having a similar staff.

I don't know the Orioles that well, but maybe they'll have a SP or two do better than expected, but who knows?

I'm not sure Carpenter will be that good. He's been getting slammed in spring training, but all I keep hearing is how good he CAN be.

Todd

rkmsuf · 04-05-2004, 08:23 AM

It's unbelievable the way half of Boston fans hit the panic button this morning. Martinez gave up 2 earned runs in one bad inning and some are ready to cut him...

Bosco · 04-05-2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Pedro will be the disappointment of the year, he's not anywhere close to the same pitcher he was even 2 years ago.

So he sucked last season when he was the best pitcher in the game?

Ksyrup · 04-05-2004, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

It's unbelievable the way half of Boston fans hit the panic button this morning. Martinez gave up 2 earned runs in one bad inning and some are ready to cut him...

I'd say the only cause for concern is that his velocity still isn't where it used to be, and when he tried to reach for those extra MPHs last night, he couldn't get it anywhere near the plate. But obviously, Pedro is still a good-to-great pitcher even without his old stuff.

rkmsuf · 04-05-2004, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'd say the only cause for concern is that his velocity still isn't where it used to be, and when he tried to reach for those extra MPHs last night, he couldn't get it anywhere near the plate. But obviously, Pedro is still a good-to-great pitcher even without his old stuff.

True but it's pretty much the same velocity as last year. He's not a fireballer anymore but if the location is good he'll contend for the league lead in ERA...

They mentioned on the local telecast last night though that the gun seemed a little wacky/high when it had Ponson hitting like 97 in the first couple innings. Hopefully that doesn't mean Martinez was really throwing 85...

Ksyrup · 04-05-2004, 08:45 AM

Yeah, I was surprised when Miller/Morgan mentioned that there must not be something wrong with the radar gun when it clocked Pedro at 88, because it had Ponson hitting 95/96. Either I didn't realize he had that kind of fastball, or Pedro was, in reality, throwing like Shayne Reynolds last night.

rkmsuf · 04-05-2004, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yeah, I was surprised when Miller/Morgan mentioned that there must not be something wrong with the radar gun when it clocked Pedro at 88, because it had Ponson hitting 95/96. Either I didn't realize he had that kind of fastball, or Pedro was, in reality, throwing like Shayne Reynolds last night.

I don't know but found out this morning that after he came out Pedro went into the clubhouse, showered and left before the game was over. Franconia and Epstein have said they'll handle the matter in house...

Ksyrup · 04-05-2004, 08:51 AM

Hey, at least he didn't hang around and play cards with Manny during the 9th inning.

Philliesfan980 · 04-05-2004, 09:47 AM

I can't wait for the day when Pedro loses his stuff for good and this "I'm better than you" attitude doesn't work anymore.

rkmsuf · 04-05-2004, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

I can't wait for the day when Pedro loses his stuff for good and this "I'm better than you" attitude doesn't work anymore.

By that time he'll have signed with the Phillies...

He's one of those guys that you love on your team and hate on any other...

Bosco · 04-05-2004, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

I can't wait for the day when Pedro loses his stuff for good and this "I'm better than you" attitude doesn't work anymore.

He's lost his velocity over the past two seasons and still is putting up the numbers. Just take a look at the guy's WHIP and ERA last season. He's going to have that attitude until the day he dies and he should as he's easily one of the best pitchers of all-time.

WSUCougar · 04-05-2004, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

By that time he'll have signed with the Phillies...

He's one of those guys that you love on your team and hate on any other...

Like Lenny Dykstra.

rkmsuf · 04-05-2004, 01:15 PM

Martinez is a f-ing dink though. New manager, game one, right out of the gate he has to take off before the game is over. He's like a little kid testing the home room teacher...

Logan · 04-05-2004, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Not to threadjack, but why is John Kruk playing Center Field for the Red Sox?

Great line by Jon Miller:

(not exact, but...) "This is the new version of Johnny Damon. It's funny, but i remember the old version of Damon being a much better hitter."

04-04-2004, 08:07 PM	#2
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Cute thread, Marmel. But he hit a guy because he hasn't been able to hit the broad side of the barn all night. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-04-2004, 08:16 PM	#3
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Hoo boy. Pedro really wants that big contract, don't he? __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

04-04-2004, 08:21 PM	#6
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Wait a minute, are these game for real??? I see a lot of interleague games and even a 5-5 tie. WTF? Last edited by Buccaneer : 04-04-2004 at 08:21 PM.

04-04-2004, 08:24 PM	#7
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	This is the only "real" game of the day. The rest start tomorrow or Tuesday. And part of Pedro's problem is that it's cold. The Latin American guys can't take it. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2004, 09:06 PM	#10
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Aside from the Japan games, this is how the season has started for a number of years - one Sunday night game, and several afternoon games on Monday, with at least one 7-7:30 EST and 10:30 EST game so they can be televised all day long. Not a big deal, IMO - just an extra primetime game on a pretty quiet night otherwise (unless you count women's basketball, which I don't). Even the NHL finished up earlier today. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2004, 08:18 PM	#4
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	When he first hit Segui I was like WTF, but after watching a little more he just does not have much control tonight. May have something to do with the colder weather.

04-04-2004, 08:21 PM	#5
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Pedro will be the disappointment of the year, he's not anywhere close to the same pitcher he was even 2 years ago.

04-04-2004, 08:24 PM	#8
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	The only real game today is Boston-Baltimore.

04-04-2004, 08:25 PM	#9
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	This MLB scheduling is really stupid, imo - like a lot of other things about MLB.

04-04-2004, 09:07 PM	#11
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Not to threadjack, but why is John Kruk playing Center Field for the Red Sox?

04-04-2004, 09:34 PM	#18
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I think another reason the Sunday night opener makes sense is because the college basketball final is Monday night and steals the thunder of baseball's opening day. Baseball will always traditionally open with a majority of afternoon games on Monday, but because of the basketball game, they can't take top billing during primetime. The Sunday night game is a preemptive strike on that. At least I think that's the intent. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2004, 09:41 PM	#20
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Javy Lopez is hitting the shezaw out of the ball tonight. I like the look of the Orioles, they could be trouble for the Bosox and Yanks. Todd

04-04-2004, 09:45 PM	#21
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	The Orioles just don't have the pitching. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2004, 09:46 PM	#22
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The new Red Sox CF: __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-04-2004, 09:50 PM	#23
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Actually, I thought the funniest commentary about Damon was from one of the Page Two writers (I think) who suggested that Dan Fogelberg should sue him for copyright infringement. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2004, 09:58 PM	#25
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	The Cards don't have pitching, either, but they've got some young guys and Carpenter, who all could realistically be good this year. I don't see the Orioles having a similar staff. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2004, 10:36 PM	#26
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	Pedro looked pretty good tonight; 6 innings and 2 earned runs. We just didn't get the hits when we needed them

04-05-2004, 04:09 AM	#27
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	pedro had one bad inning, then pitched great after that. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

04-05-2004, 08:23 AM	#29
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	It's unbelievable the way half of Boston fans hit the panic button this morning. Martinez gave up 2 earned runs in one bad inning and some are ready to cut him... __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

04-05-2004, 08:45 AM	#33
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah, I was surprised when Miller/Morgan mentioned that there must not be something wrong with the radar gun when it clocked Pedro at 88, because it had Ponson hitting 95/96. Either I didn't realize he had that kind of fastball, or Pedro was, in reality, throwing like Shayne Reynolds last night. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-05-2004, 08:51 AM	#35
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Hey, at least he didn't hang around and play cards with Manny during the 9th inning. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-05-2004, 09:47 AM	#36
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	I can't wait for the day when Pedro loses his stuff for good and this "I'm better than you" attitude doesn't work anymore.

04-05-2004, 01:15 PM	#40
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Martinez is a f-ing dink though. New manager, game one, right out of the gate he has to take off before the game is over. He's like a little kid testing the home room teacher... __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)