Starship Troopers: The Book

JeffNights · 04-25-2004, 07:55 PM

The book wrote much before the movie, about 40 years...Is absolutely great.
Goes through an entire saga of his military life, and yet i am wanting more.

Why couldnt the film studio follow the epic more closely? even though i did enjoy the movie, things in the book should have been incorporated.

just had to rant..but i do know there are some sci-fi book lovers here.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-25-2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffNights

The book wrote much before the movie, about 40 years...Is absolutely great.
Goes through an entire saga of his military life, and yet i am wanting more.

Why couldnt the film studio follow the epic more closely? even though i did enjoy the movie, things in the book should have been incorporated.

just had to rant..but i do know there are some sci-fi book lovers here.

I knew some people who swore by the book. There was this guy I met who said that it was given to soldiers starting in the military as a good guide of what to expect or how to approach it, or something along those lines. He was disgusted with the movie. The movie is basically a satire. It takes the source material, which I understand takes itself quite seriously, and mocks it quite strongly. I love the movie. Great stuff.

Everyone fights, no one quits. You don't do your job, I'll kill you myself!

SirFozzie · 04-25-2004, 08:34 PM

I'm stoked, there's going to be a RPG and a war(board)game based in the Starship Troopers Universe coming out soon.

Celeval · 04-25-2004, 09:13 PM

Great book. Popcorn movie that has nothing to do with the book except that there are bugs involved.

JPhillips · 04-25-2004, 09:14 PM

The few movies based on Heinlien have all sucked. I don't know why his material isn't adapted more faithfully for the screen. He wrote great adventures that would play well. Hollywood screws him every time they try. I don't know why Hollywood can't see the great adventure movies in his books.

JeffNights · 04-25-2004, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'm stoked, there's going to be a RPG and a war(board)game based in the Starship Troopers Universe coming out soon.

Hey Fozz, is it going to be based on the book universe or the movie one? Theres a huge difference in my opinion..

and if its the book universe.....I want M.I. and i'll take a "Marauder" suit.

tucker342 · 04-25-2004, 09:39 PM

wow, I didn't even know there was a book... I may have to check it out.

Hurst2112 · 04-25-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker342

wow, I didn't even know there was a book... I may have to check it out.

I agree. This does sound like something I would enjoy reading.

SirFozzie · 04-25-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffNights

Hey Fozz, is it going to be based on the book universe or the movie one? Theres a huge difference in my opinion..

and if its the book universe.....I want M.I. and i'll take a "Marauder" suit.

Mostly the book, they'll have a few visuals from the movie If I Remember Correctly.

www.mongoosepublishing.com

ntndeacon · 04-25-2004, 10:12 PM

That was a wonderful book. of course several of Heinleins books and short stories could be made into wonderful movies.
Starman Jones
The Man who Bought the Moon
among others

Drake · 04-25-2004, 10:35 PM

I'd like to see a faithful movie version of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, my personal favorite of Heinlein's, with Stranger in a Strange Land a close second.

Mr. Wednesday · 04-25-2004, 11:09 PM

The trouble with translating the book to the screen, IMO, is that all of the really good stuff takes place in the narrator's head. The things that happen are interesting, too, but you really need the narrator's thoughts.

While I found the viewpoints Heinlein expressed to be overly idealistic, I think mocking it is unfair; it deserves a serious response.

SFL Cat · 04-25-2004, 11:20 PM

In the book, Mobile Infantry soldiers wore a$$-whuppin' power-armor. Aided by booster rockets, they could "jump" about a mile and could pretty much outfight any enemy hand-to-hand. In the movie, they were just ordinary grunts who marched from place to place (after all the times they were ambushed out in the open, you would think these guys would have at least used heavily-armed & armored transports to move from place to place).

Also, in the book, the Arachnids weren't just dumb bugs either, but had advanced starships and weaponry just like the humans.

Hurst2112 · 04-25-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker342

wow, I didn't even know there was a book... I may have to check it out.

I just bought one on amazon.com for about $1.75 and $3.00 for shipping. Sight unseen, but according to all of the talk here, a good investment.

Thanks

damnMikeBrown · 04-26-2004, 12:31 AM

As long as Dina Meyer gets naked again, I'm all in.

Crapshoot · 04-26-2004, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Drake

I'd like to see a faithful movie version of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, my personal favorite of Heinlein's, with Stranger in a Strange Land a close second.

Stranger in a Strange Land is the ultimate Libertarian fantasy, and an amazing book at that. You think Hollywood could possibly make a movie where they acknowledged a libertarian stance today ? Its the same reason why I think Atlas Shrugged never got off the ground. That being said, I think its fairly hard to reflect the philosphical underpinings that make either of those books great in a movie- and without that, its somewhat pointless.

Crapshoot · 04-26-2004, 04:04 AM

Btw Drake - I far prefer Stranger to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress- though I think they're both incredible books.

Marc Vaughan · 04-26-2004, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffNights

The book wrote much before the movie, about 40 years...Is absolutely great.
Goes through an entire saga of his military life, and yet i am wanting more.

Why couldnt the film studio follow the epic more closely? even though i did enjoy the movie, things in the book should have been incorporated.

just had to rant..but i do know there are some sci-fi book lovers here.

I read it years ago - thought it was very cool, the film is only very loosely associated with it though imho (but was equally cool imho as a seperate entity).

daedalus · 04-26-2004, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

I read it years ago - thought it was very cool, the film is only very loosely associated with it though imho (but was equally cool imho as a seperate entity).

I agree, the movie itself wasn't "bad". It was an amusing action flick. My problem with it was that they chose to associate it with a title then completely ignored the book.

gstelmack · 04-26-2004, 08:44 AM

If they had done with this movie and book pair what they did with the Jurassic Park book and movie, it would have been fantastic. With Jurassic Park, the movie focused on stuff that movies can do well: the action. It left all the philosophical discussions to the book. As a result the book and movie complemented each other nicely. This movie could have done the same. Focus on guys in power armor lobbing fusion bombs around, and the hunting bugs in tunnels bits, with maybe a bit of "Full Metal Jacket" training thrown in for good measure, and it could have complemented the book nicely.

gi · 04-26-2004, 08:46 AM

Armor by John Steakley is a book you might enjoy if you enjoyed Starship Troopers. I thought both were excellent.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

CamEdwards · 04-26-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by damnMikeBrown

As long as Dina Meyer gets naked again, I'm all in.

Damn straight.

I really like Heinlein's older stuff, like Starship Troopers, Citizen of the Galaxy, and even Space Cadet.

Actually, Space Cadet is probably my favorite. I don't know why... it just captures the 1940's spirit so well.

Drake · 04-26-2004, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

Stranger in a Strange Land is the ultimate Libertarian fantasy, and an amazing book at that. You think Hollywood could possibly make a movie where they acknowledged a libertarian stance today ? Its the same reason why I think Atlas Shrugged never got off the ground. That being said, I think its fairly hard to reflect the philosphical underpinings that make either of those books great in a movie- and without that, its somewhat pointless.

You're most probably correct, Aadik. I suppose I'll have to be content with going back and reading TMiaHM and SiaSL every couple of years.

Oh, and I don't remember who said it above, but the best part about the movie version of Starship Troopers was definitely a naked Dina Meyer. Though I must add that she owes me at least two hours of my life back for having breasts that talked me into sitting all the way through Bats on the off chance that they might make an appearance.

bigdawg2003 · 04-26-2004, 10:12 AM

I saw the Starship Troopers movie when I was 12 and thought it was pretty good (remember, I was 12, and hormones were raging)

Now I'm 19. I saw the movie again, and WOW what a shitty movie. Not even boobies can save it.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-26-2004, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdawg2003

I saw the Starship Troopers movie when I was 12 and thought it was pretty good (remember, I was 12, and hormones were raging)

Now I'm 19. I saw the movie again, and WOW what a shitty movie. Not even boobies can save it.

I saw the moive when I was 23. I saw the movie again on New Years day 2004, I was 29. I loved the movie both times. And all the times I watched it in between. Classic stuff. Doesn't take itself seriously at all. It's a great satire. Toss in some good violence and action and some hot chicks... It's all good.

JeeberD · 04-26-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by daedalus

I agree, the movie itself wasn't "bad". It was an amusing action flick. My problem with it was that they chose to associate it with a title then completely ignored the book.

Sounds like 95% of the movies that have been made from Stephen King novels...

gstelmack · 04-26-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'm stoked, there's going to be a RPG and a war(board)game based in the Starship Troopers Universe coming out soon.

Avalon Hill had a war(board)game out based on Starship Troopers a LONG time ago.

Critch · 04-26-2004, 04:03 PM

If you enjoyed the Starship Troopers book, you should give "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman a try. Similar idea, following a single soldiers experiences in a war against a strange alien race.

JeffNights · 04-26-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Critch

If you enjoyed the Starship Troopers book, you should give "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman a try. Similar idea, following a single soldiers experiences in a war against a strange alien race.

The forever war sounds fmailiar hmmm..

also i think i like the single soldier novels..

anybody ever read a yarn called "Thier Masters war" really indepth covers a huge expanse and you never really know whos in charge of the the ultimate scheme.

Flame Eater · 04-26-2004, 08:36 PM

The Forever War is great. My brother gave it to me when I was a kid, and I loved it.

I reread it every year or two. Other Haldeman books are good too.

04-25-2004, 08:34 PM	#3
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04-26-2004, 08:44 AM	#20
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	If they had done with this movie and book pair what they did with the Jurassic Park book and movie, it would have been fantastic. With Jurassic Park, the movie focused on stuff that movies can do well: the action. It left all the philosophical discussions to the book. As a result the book and movie complemented each other nicely. This movie could have done the same. Focus on guys in power armor lobbing fusion bombs around, and the hunting bugs in tunnels bits, with maybe a bit of "Full Metal Jacket" training thrown in for good measure, and it could have complemented the book nicely. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

04-26-2004, 10:12 AM	#24
bigdawg2003 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Austin, Texas, USA	I saw the Starship Troopers movie when I was 12 and thought it was pretty good (remember, I was 12, and hormones were raging) Now I'm 19. I saw the movie again, and WOW what a shitty movie. Not even boobies can save it. __________________ I didn't even know Elvis was from Memphis. I thought he was from Tennessee.

04-25-2004, 09:13 PM	#4
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Great book. Popcorn movie that has nothing to do with the book except that there are bugs involved.

04-25-2004, 09:14 PM	#5
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The few movies based on Heinlien have all sucked. I don't know why his material isn't adapted more faithfully for the screen. He wrote great adventures that would play well. Hollywood screws him every time they try. I don't know why Hollywood can't see the great adventure movies in his books.

04-25-2004, 09:39 PM	#7
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	wow, I didn't even know there was a book... I may have to check it out.

04-25-2004, 10:12 PM	#10
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	That was a wonderful book. of course several of Heinleins books and short stories could be made into wonderful movies. Starman Jones The Man who Bought the Moon among others

04-25-2004, 10:35 PM	#11
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	I'd like to see a faithful movie version of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, my personal favorite of Heinlein's, with Stranger in a Strange Land a close second.

04-25-2004, 11:09 PM	#12
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	The trouble with translating the book to the screen, IMO, is that all of the really good stuff takes place in the narrator's head. The things that happen are interesting, too, but you really need the narrator's thoughts. While I found the viewpoints Heinlein expressed to be overly idealistic, I think mocking it is unfair; it deserves a serious response.

04-25-2004, 11:20 PM	#13
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	In the book, Mobile Infantry soldiers wore a$$-whuppin' power-armor. Aided by booster rockets, they could "jump" about a mile and could pretty much outfight any enemy hand-to-hand. In the movie, they were just ordinary grunts who marched from place to place (after all the times they were ambushed out in the open, you would think these guys would have at least used heavily-armed & armored transports to move from place to place). Also, in the book, the Arachnids weren't just dumb bugs either, but had advanced starships and weaponry just like the humans.

04-26-2004, 12:31 AM	#15
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	As long as Dina Meyer gets naked again, I'm all in.

04-26-2004, 04:04 AM	#17
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Btw Drake - I far prefer Stranger to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress- though I think they're both incredible books.

04-26-2004, 08:46 AM	#21
gi College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Berkley, MI	Armor by John Steakley is a book you might enjoy if you enjoyed Starship Troopers. I thought both were excellent. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

04-26-2004, 04:03 PM	#28
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	If you enjoyed the Starship Troopers book, you should give "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman a try. Similar idea, following a single soldiers experiences in a war against a strange alien race.

04-26-2004, 08:36 PM	#30
Flame Eater H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Albany, NY	The Forever War is great. My brother gave it to me when I was a kid, and I loved it. I reread it every year or two. Other Haldeman books are good too.

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