So where will Kerry Collins end up?

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-27-2004, 05:22 PM

He hasn't been cut yet, but there is a rumor of him landing in Dallas. My bet is Pittsburgh, as he's from Pennsylvania and went to Penn State. I think Maddox is toast.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1790911

General Mike · 04-27-2004, 05:26 PM

Cowgirls

Hurst2112 · 04-27-2004, 05:28 PM

I don't think the Steeler scenario will happen. I would think that Collins would get more than a 750K salary.

Possibly Arizona, or like ESPN said, Oakland.

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

He hasn't been cut yet, but there is a rumor of him landing in Dallas. My bet is Pittsburgh, as he's from Pennsylvania and went to Penn State. I think Maddox is toast.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1790911

Didn't Pittsburgh draft Ben Roethlisburger (sp?)? And they already have Maddux and Batch on the roster...

I don't see him ending up in Dallas... but I suppose anything's possible. I'm sure he'd love the chance to play his old team twice a year.

I could see him ending up in Oakland. Maybe Miami?

Rizon · 04-27-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Maybe Miami?

No, his last name doesn't start with F.

Kodos · 04-27-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

No, his last name doesn't start with F.

And his is at least marginally talented.

ISiddiqui · 04-27-2004, 05:52 PM

You know, Maddox may have been the only one in the COUNTRY not to see the Steelers were going after a QB in the draft!

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 05:57 PM

Dallas and Oakland make by far the most sense.

Dallas has ackonowledged that they want to bring in a veteran - and I think Collins makes more sense than Testaverde, particularly since former Giants O.C. Sean Payton is in Big D.

Oakland makes sense because of the Gannon injury.

I guess Baltimore would be 3rd based on the fact that he'd be a definite upgrade as a backup and Jim Fassell is a consultant there.

ISiddiqui · 04-27-2004, 05:59 PM

Of course what we have to ask is what do the Cowboys and Raiders have to offer in a trade for Collins... which one of them is in a better position?

Young Drachma · 04-27-2004, 06:00 PM

He's being released. They won't need to deal for him.

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Of course what we have to ask is what do the Cowboys and Raiders have to offer in a trade for Collins... which one of them is in a better position?

no way he's traded. he'll be released very soon.

Buccaneer · 04-27-2004, 06:14 PM

WTF? They think that Manning will start as a rookie?

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

WTF? They think that Manning will start as a rookie?

Yep. More to the point, Collins has a huge cap figure this season, and is refusing to re-negotiate. I'm surprised he hasn't been released already, unless the Giants are trying to find a trade partner... but everyone knows they have to dump him, and most teams would be happy to just compete for his services in free agency.

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 06:18 PM

Dola... that guy on "The Bachelor" could always end up starting this season...

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Dola... that guy on "The Bachelor" could always end up starting this season...

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut before training camp too.

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

WTF? They think that Manning will start as a rookie?

That appears to be the case. Usually I'm all for this, but with an offense as talented as the Giants currently is, it seems like a waste of the 2004 season.

JeeberD · 04-27-2004, 06:22 PM

I was hoping that he was going to go to the Cowboys, but I heard a blurb on the radio saying that "it didn't look likely." I didn't get to hear the reasoning behind this statement, though...

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 06:23 PM

San Fran should give him a look. I'm sure they wont though.

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

San Fran should give him a look. I'm sure they wont though.

He and Jeff Garcia are almost the same quarterback... I don't see SF doing this for a number of reasons... one of which is that the current ownership out there is doing everything possible to guarantee the team will suck this year.

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

He and Jeff Garcia are almost the same quarterback... I don't see SF doing this for a number of reasons... one of which is that the current ownership out there is doing everything possible to guarantee the team will suck this year.

How are they the same QB? I don't see that at all.

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

How are they the same QB? I don't see that at all.

Aging veterans with a pretty decent, but not necessarily great, track record... I wasn't really commenting on their style of play.

With Tim Couch and Kurt Warner on the market, it's going to be tough for these guys to find starting jobs.

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Aging veterans with a pretty decent, but not necessarily great, track record... I wasn't really commenting on their style of play.

With Tim Couch and Kurt Warner on the market, it's going to be tough for these guys to find starting jobs.

None of them are going to find starting jobs. Collins is a better QB than Couch, and I think most teams will see it that way.

Collins isn't all that old, just 31 (turns 32 late December). He's still got a 4-5 year contract in him.

I think he'll be forced to sign as a backup this year, and then will be the starter there or elsewhere in 2005.

To me, Couch is a waste of time. Warner might have the hardest time finding a job of any of them.

sabotai · 04-27-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Yep. More to the point, Collins has a huge cap figure this season, and is refusing to re-negotiate. I'm surprised he hasn't been released already, unless the Giants are trying to find a trade partner... but everyone knows they have to dump him, and most teams would be happy to just compete for his services in free agency.

If they cut him now, all of his cap hit will be taken on this season. If they wait and cut him, some of it will be taken this season, with the rest going against next season's cap.

sabotai · 04-27-2004, 06:45 PM

dola, nevermind. I am wrong. (He's in the last season of his contract, so it doesn't matter when they cut him...DUH SAB!

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Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

If they cut him now, all of his cap hit will be taken on this season. If they wait and cut him, some of it will be taken this season, with the rest going against next season's cap.

That's not what I read. I read somewhere (don't have a link now...) that they take the full cap hit this year either way, because this is the last year of the deal.

General Mike · 04-27-2004, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

If they cut him now, all of his cap hit will be taken on this season. If they wait and cut him, some of it will be taken this season, with the rest going against next season's cap.

You're wrong. Since he only has 1 year left on his contract (the 2004 season), it doesn't matter if they cut him today, next wednesday or after June 1st.

sabotai · 04-27-2004, 06:49 PM

Yes I know I'm wrong! That's why I posted a dola stating so. No need to rub my brain fart in.

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

Yes I know I'm wrong! That's why I posted a dola stating so. No need to rub my brain fart in.

I think we were replying before you posted your dola...

The Afoci · 04-27-2004, 06:50 PM

I wonder how this will effect the cap?

sabotai · 04-27-2004, 06:50 PM

I'm doubtful that Collins goes to Dallas, unless the Cowboys are considering on giving up on QC. I don't think Dallas is and I don't think Collins would want to go where he would definatly act as a mentor/backup. Which is what Testaverde would be perfect for.

I think he might end up in Oakland.

wishbone · 04-27-2004, 07:10 PM

What about Green Bay? He wouldn't be a young guy to take over for Favre but he could be a solid #2 for them for 1-2 years

Franklinnoble · 04-27-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wishbone

What about Green Bay? He wouldn't be a young guy to take over for Favre but he could be a solid #2 for them for 1-2 years

Why would he want to be a #2 for the rest of his career?

wishbone · 04-27-2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Why would he want to be a #2 for the rest of his career?

I think the rest of his career will be spent fighting for the #1 job wherever he goes and he lose more of those than he wins. He's solid sometimes, but what team is going to make him a #1 for the rest of his career?

Stats:

Code:

	Yards	%	TD	INT	Rating
2003	 3110	56.8	 13	 16	70.7
Career	26383	55.8	132	134	73.1

korme · 04-27-2004, 07:48 PM

Bears should sign Warner or Collins.

judicial clerk · 04-27-2004, 08:00 PM

Baltimore seems like a logical choice. They are already a superbowl contender and Collins would probably do better than Wright or Boller. Warner is another possibility, although I do not have a lot of faith in that guy.

Deattribution · 04-27-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wishbone

I think the rest of his career will be spent fighting for the #1 job wherever he goes and he lose more of those than he wins. He's solid sometimes, but what team is going to make him a #1 for the rest of his career?

Stats:

Code:

	Yards	%	TD	INT	Rating
2003	 3110	56.8	 13	 16	70.7
Career	26383	55.8	132	134	73.1

Forgot to mention how he was getting drilled on every play... If he finds a team with a solid line, he can do very well... If he gets into another offensive line situation like the Giants, then he'll do poorly.

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wishbone

I think the rest of his career will be spent fighting for the #1 job wherever he goes and he lose more of those than he wins. He's solid sometimes, but what team is going to make him a #1 for the rest of his career?

Stats:

Code:

	Yards	%	TD	INT	Rating
2003	 3110	56.8	 13	 16	70.7
Career	26383	55.8	132	134	73.1

I don't think choosing only 2003 as a season is fair to him.

YEAR	TEAM	G	GS	COM	ATT	PCT	YDS	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SK	SYD	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
1995	CAR	15	13	214	432	49.5	2717	6.29	89	14	19	24	150	62.0	42	74	1.8	10	3
1996	CAR	13	12	204	364	56.0	2454	6.74	55	14	9	18	114	79.4	32	38	1.2	14	0
1997	CAR	13	13	200	381	52.5	2124	5.57	59	11	21	27	200	55.7	26	65	2.5	21	1
1998	CAR	4	4	76	162	46.9	1011	6.24	72	8	5	10	51	70.8	7	40	5.7	16	0
1998	NO	7	7	94	191	49.2	1202	6.29	89	4	10	21	140	54.5	23	113	4.9	20	1
1999	NYG	10	7	190	331	57.4	2318	7.00	80	8	11	16	112	73.3	19	36	1.9	11	2
2000	NYG	16	16	311	529	58.8	3610	6.82	59	22	13	28	243	83.1	41	65	1.6	15	1
2001	NYG	16	16	327	568	57.6	3764	6.63	76	19	16	36	206	77.1	39	73	1.9	11	0
2002	NYG	16	16	335	545	61.5	4073	7.47	82	19	14	24	152	85.4	44	-3	-0.1	8	0
2003	NYG	13	13	284	500	56.8	3110	6.22	77	13	16	28	164	70.7	17	49	2.9	22	0
Total		123	117	2235	4004	55.8	26383	6.59	89	132	134	232	1532	73.1	290	550	1.9	22	8

2000, 2001, and 2002 were all pretty solid seasons. He definitely deserves another serious chance somewhere, even if it means riding the pine in 2004 before finding a better situation in 2005.

cthomer5000 · 04-27-2004, 08:22 PM

If he's in a situation where a starter goes down with an injury, he's the type who could potentially step in and steal the job.

pennywisesb · 04-27-2004, 10:16 PM

Raiders baby! great backup if gannon goes down, and after next year when gannon is gone, he can hold the fort for a couple of years while we develop our QB of the future.

RendeR · 04-27-2004, 10:37 PM

Frankly, I cannot belive that ANYONE would be willing to give Vinny Testa-mummy a job. As a backup or water boy.

Come on people he's older than the dirt they throw at the jets coaching staff and he's been beaten upon like a recalcitrant red-headed stepchild.

Talk about the single player in the NFL that should have retired a few years ago. Wow.

Peregrine · 04-28-2004, 03:51 AM

Well Collins certainly won't go back to Carolina! That bridge was officially burned.

JAG · 04-28-2004, 05:11 AM

Frankly, if Collins were willing to come into Dallas as a backup role and a not-so-high contract, the Cowboys might have some interest, especially with the Sean Payton connection. But he's going to want a good bit more money than they'll pay and a chance at a starting position. As mentioned above, Oakland makes a lot of sense.

The Giants may as well count this as a lost season with Manning starting, which is probably making the Chargers even more excited about their trade with them. They may as well lose the season to his development though.

JAG · 04-28-2004, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Bears should sign Warner or Collins.

I read that the Bears are interested in Warner...

Samdari · 04-28-2004, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

He and Jeff Garcia are almost the same quarterback.

Yeah, cause Collins is a smaller, mobile guy with a relatively weak arm who is known for being fragile, and is known for short, accurate throws with a lot of touch.

What? Collins is 6'5", a huge arm, a statue, better at the long ball. I would have to say they are as close to opposites as QBs as possible.

fantastic flying froggies · 04-28-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Yeah, cause Collins is a smaller, mobile guy with a relatively weak arm who is known for being fragile, and is known for short, accurate throws with a lot of touch.

What? Collins is 6'5", a huge arm, a statue, better at the long ball. I would have to say they are as close to opposites as QBs as possible.

Franklin 's already answered that one :

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Aging veterans with a pretty decent, but not necessarily great, track record... I wasn't really commenting on their style of play.

cthomer5000 · 04-28-2004, 08:59 AM

But even that didn't make much sense. Collins is about 4 years younger, doesn't have the injury history, and can easily play out a 5 year contract. To me there is no comparison, they're in very different situations.

QuikSand · 04-28-2004, 09:06 AM

It looks like the Dolphins think they are all set at QB... but that's the team that would present an outstanding fit. Collins is pretty decent at the play action pass, and I think he'd fit well as a starter on a team committed to running first. Oh, well.

cthomer5000 · 04-28-2004, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

It looks like the Dolphins think they are all set at QB... but that's the team that would present an outstanding fit. Collins is pretty decent at the play action pass, and I think he'd fit well as a starter on a team committed to running first. Oh, well.

I really feel he's going to fall victim to teams already having a full slate at QB.

He'd be an excellent backup for anyone. Shit, I wouldn't mind the Jets signing him at all. He wouldn't even need to move.

edit: And the more I think about that, the more that would be a good "last resort" for him. Sign a 1-year deal to be the Jets backup, stay local for one more year - then find an open starting job after the season and relocate.

I hope I hear that the Jets are at least interested. There's no viable backup there after Vinny gets released.

rkmsuf · 04-28-2004, 09:15 AM

Giants are taking a big gamble here. Manning would benefit tremendously staying at #2 for a year. Giants have the offense to contend and Collins is a free agent after the season anyway. If the season went south you could still play Manning.

fantastic flying froggies · 04-28-2004, 09:26 AM

I guess they want to make that 2005 1st rounder worthwhile for the Chargers, eh ?

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wishbone High School JV Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hillsboro OR	What about Green Bay? He wouldn't be a young guy to take over for Favre but he could be a solid #2 for them for 1-2 years

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korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Bears should sign Warner or Collins.

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judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	Baltimore seems like a logical choice. They are already a superbowl contender and Collins would probably do better than Wright or Boller. Warner is another possibility, although I do not have a lot of faith in that guy.

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Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Well Collins certainly won't go back to Carolina! That bridge was officially burned.

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JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Frankly, if Collins were willing to come into Dallas as a backup role and a not-so-high contract, the Cowboys might have some interest, especially with the Sean Payton connection. But he's going to want a good bit more money than they'll pay and a chance at a starting position. As mentioned above, Oakland makes a lot of sense. The Giants may as well count this as a lost season with Manning starting, which is probably making the Chargers even more excited about their trade with them. They may as well lose the season to his development though.

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QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	It looks like the Dolphins think they are all set at QB... but that's the team that would present an outstanding fit. Collins is pretty decent at the play action pass, and I think he'd fit well as a starter on a team committed to running first. Oh, well.

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