The Thread In Which Foz blows his top about Copy Protection Schemes..

[SirFozzie]

Like this lovely email I got from Shrapnel Games...

Replacement manuals with a new CD key is available for $6.50 plus
shipping ($3.85 via USPS priority mail). If you'd like one I can bill the
cc used for your original order with your permission.

This is why I fucking hate Copy Protection schemes that automatically assume that I am a pirate and require me to spend another $10+ to play the game I legally purchased bcause I cleaned up the computer room and now can't find the @)$$&@) manual.

*sighs*

[Chubby]

could be worse, they could you make you buy the game again.

[Franklinnoble]

Bah. Google around for a CD key on the internet someplace.

[SirFozzie]

Trust me. I'm tempted.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Chubby

could be worse, they could you make you buy the game again.

If they tried that routine, they'd never see one cent from me ever again. I bought the game, I should be able to use it fairly (No, I'm not distributing the game to hell and back.. personal use). Invasive Copy protection schemes like this absolutely suck.

I can kinda dig Neverwinter Nights placement of the CD key, on the Fold out CD Holders. if you keep the CD's in them, you can always re install. But in a book.. arrrrgh..

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

If they tried that routine, they'd never see one cent from me ever again. I bought the game, I should be able to use it fairly (No, I'm not distributing the game to hell and back.. personal use). Invasive Copy protection schemes like this absolutely suck.

I can kinda dig Neverwinter Nights placement of the CD key, on the Fold out CD Holders. if you keep the CD's in them, you can always re install. But in a book.. arrrrgh..

I agree. My Diablo 2 cd keys are on the case so I can't lose them. My FFXI keys are in the booklet grrr so I'm worried about those. It's just another example of why I like electronic distribution better, I can always forward the email with the keys to a secure account that I can always get to even after a computer crash.

[Samdari]

Another method that is secure in the event of a computer crash.

Write them down. All of them.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Another method that is secure in the event of a computer crash.

Write them down. All of them.

Brilliant!

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Another method that is secure in the event of a computer crash.

Write them down. All of them.

Except for me that's about as useful as having them in the instruction booklet.

[corbes]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Except for me that's about as useful as having them in the instruction booklet.

Actually throwing that paper out immediately will save a step sometime in the future.

[Maple Leafs]

Dammit, I am so sick of this copy-protection crap from these businesses.

I just wish all the cheap warez doodz and entitled upper-class college kids would stop pirating everything under the sun. These losers ruin it for the rest of us who actually understand the concept of making your work available for sale.

(What? Not the direction some of you wanted to go with this? Oh.)

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Dammit, I am so sick of this copy-protection crap from these businesses.

I just wish all the cheap warez doodz and entitled upper-class college kids would stop pirating everything under the sun. These losers ruin it for the rest of us who actually understand the concept of making your work available for sale.

(What? Not the direction some of you wanted to go with this? Oh.)

I remember way back when trying to obtain cracked C64 games. At least now they don't make you go to page 37 of the instruction manual, count down 19 words to find the password.

[corbes]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I remember way back when trying to obtain cracked C64 games. At least now they don't make you go to page 37 of the instruction manual, count down 19 words to find the password.

Heh, I remember that. I also miss code wheels.

My friend once misplaced his codewheel for Starflight and had to COPY the entire codewheel on a copier. In short, it sucked.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Ah Starflight... the name brings a tear to my eyes... Those were the days...

[corbes]

Originally Posted by fantastic flying froggies

Ah Starflight... the name brings a tear to my eyes... Those were the days...

I know. Between this and the G.I. Joe thread, I feel like it's 1988 again.

[rkmsuf]

Omni Play basketball and hockey would prompt you each time to turn to a different page in the manual and find a word. Rage would define the experience of misplacing the manual...

[corbes]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Omni Play basketball and hockey would prompt you each time to turn to a different page in the manual and find a word. Rage would define the experience of misplacing the manual...

*warning: semi-gratuitous Pirates! reference*

I had a lot of games like that. I remember Pirates! used to make you identify the type of ship that was on page __. (Or was it the name of the pirate on page __?)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Omni Play basketball and hockey would prompt you each time to turn to a different page in the manual and find a word. Rage would define the experience of misplacing the manual...

My friend had a football and baseball game for his comp (the football one showed the plays run out with x's and o's) that made you use the manual for passwords.

He lost the manual so we started putting random words in there and it worked anyways

[corbes]

Originally Posted by Chubby

My friend had a football and baseball game for his comp (the football one showed the plays run out with x's and o's) that made you use the manual for passwords.

You speak of NFL Challenge???

[Ragone]

you know if you made a duplicate of the exe file of omni play basketball and hockey.. and replaced it after every time you run.. you'd get the same page/line/word everytime

i made a .bat file to automatically do that everytime i ran.. was great

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Ragone

you know if you made a duplicate of the exe file of omni play basketball and hockey.. and replaced it after every time you run.. you'd get the same page/line/word everytime

i made a .bat file to automatically do that everytime i ran.. was great

Unlike you I guess I wasn't that bright in 7th grade.

[Celeval]

NFL Challenge was awesome.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Originally Posted by corbes

*warning: semi-gratuitous Pirates! reference*

I had a lot of games like that. I remember Pirates! used to make you identify the type of ship that was on page __. (Or was it the name of the pirate on page __?)

Pirates ! asked you in which city the Silver Train or the Treasure Fleet was on a particular month. I managed to get all of them down with trial and error and a handmade spreadsheet listing all months AND towns...and god knows there was a shipload of towns in Pirates ! my spreadsheet was like 6 pages long !!!

[ISiddiqui]

I just wish all the cheap warez doodz and entitled upper-class college kids would stop pirating everything under the sun. These losers ruin it for the rest of us who actually understand the concept of making your work available for sale.

I agree totally! It just takes a few bad apples to fuck it up for the rest of us. It ISN'T the fault of the computer game companies, but rather of the idiots that will download games for free. You can't expect game companies to just shrug and say oh well to that!

[corbes]

Originally Posted by fantastic flying froggies

Pirates ! asked you in which city the Silver Train or the Treasure Fleet was on a particular month. I managed to get all of them down with trial and error and a handmade spreadsheet listing all months AND towns...and god knows there was a shipload of towns in Pirates ! my spreadsheet was like 6 pages long !!!

ooohhhhh yeh... the Silver Train and Treasure Fleet. That's right.

edit- I just kept the book instead of doing all that work, though.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Omni Play basketball and hockey would prompt you each time to turn to a different page in the manual and find a word. Rage would define the experience of misplacing the manual...

God bless Omni Play games. They were my first ever experience with career play in a sports game.

The copy protection was annoying though. Admit it, how many times did you retype the same word three times, only to wind up yelling at your monitor "What do you mean, it's on the reference card, not the manual?"

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Except for me that's about as useful as having them in the instruction booklet.

Not if you have one sheet of paper taped to the side of your machine with all of your codes

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

God bless Omni Play games. They were my first ever experience with career play in a sports game.

The copy protection was annoying though. Admit it, how many times did you retype the same word three times, only to wind up yelling at your monitor "What do you mean, it's on the reference card, not the manual?"

I played those to death...looking back they were pretty well done. You could change team names, players would develop ect...I can still recall some of the legends from my basketball team.

Hockey was a bit of a drag when your guys stamina ran low.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Not if you have one sheet of paper taped to the side of your machine with all of your codes

hmmm {note to self}

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I played those to death...looking back they were pretty well done. You could change team names, players would develop ect...I can still recall some of the legends from my basketball team.

You have to admit, after seeing the struggles that franchises like OOTP and FOF have had with trade AI, the whole concept of "trading points" still looks pretty good.

[corbes]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

You have to admit, after seeing the struggles that franchises like OOTP and FOF have had with trade AI, the whole concept of "trading points" still looks pretty good.

This wasn't the same series as Mindscape, was it?

edit: research reveals I am talking about Ed Ringler's "Superstar Ice Hockey" from Mindscape.

[Samdari]

Not to imply that I particularly like being subjected to copy-protection schemes. But, I did lose the ability to play a game I loved once (to which the answer was buy it again). I just figured that the first time I 'lost' a game this way was a crappy way to give customers value for their purchase. A second time would have been me not learning to protect myself.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by corbes

This wasn't the same series as Mindscape, was it?

I don't think so...this was by Sporttime?

http://pirates.emucamp.com/a/o/omnipb/c64/main.html

[corbes]

Yeh...designed by Ed Ringler.

Wow. Had I only known that he made a basketball game, too...

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by corbes

This wasn't the same series as Mindscape, was it?

edit: research reveals I am talking about Ed Ringler's "Superstar Ice Hockey" from Mindscape.

same family of games I think

[Franklinnoble]

I still miss the Leisure Suit Larry series... you'd think they'd have done a re-make by now, with all the advancements in graphics technology...

[SirFozzie]

MindScape was the distributor for some of the stuff (as was Virgin, they did the Sport of Kings module for Omni Play Horse Racing)

OmniPlay would haave been the ultimate company if they could have just supported all the games (all the modules they promised would have been AWESOME)

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I still miss the Leisure Suit Larry series... you'd think they'd have done a re-make by now, with all the advancements in graphics technology...

They are

With Larry's cousin I think (also named Larry Laeffer)

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

MindScape was the distributor for some of the stuff (as was Virgin, they did the Sport of Kings module for Omni Play Horse Racing)

OmniPlay would haave been the ultimate company if they could have just supported all the games (all the modules they promised would have been AWESOME)

I'm still waiting for that damn trainer and jockey module. Any updates?

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I still miss the Leisure Suit Larry series... you'd think they'd have done a re-make by now, with all the advancements in graphics technology...

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure...w_6085360.html

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

OmniPlay would haave been the ultimate company if they could have just supported all the games (all the modules they promised would have been AWESOME)

No kidding. The list of modules you could order was stunning, but virtually none of them ever materialized.

I wonder if Ed Ringler is still doing games these days. I'd buy one just on principle.

[SirFozzie]

Ugh tell me about it.

Horse Racing is a sport that would very much use an update. I'd suggest the success of SimulatedSports's Horse Racing sim shows that if you do it RIGHT (owner, trainer, jockey, with the options to do any/all), people will buy it

[sachmo71]

Railroad Tycoon had cool copy protection. I like trains.

[Surtt]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Not if you have one sheet of paper taped to the side of your machine with all of your codes

Write them on the cd label.
If you have the cd to install it, you have the code.

[sabotai]

This is why I write down all of my CD keys (and e-license order IDs) if it's in a book or the case on a piece of paper that is inside of a binder. No chance of me losing it.

[corbes]

I would lose that binder pronto.

[tucker342]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Omni Play basketball and hockey would prompt you each time to turn to a different page in the manual and find a word. Rage would define the experience of misplacing the manual...

Games used to do that shit all the time... there was nothing more annoying then wanting to play a game but of course not being able to because the manual had been lost.

Makes me pissed off just thinking about it.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I remember way back when trying to obtain cracked C64 games. At least now they don't make you go to page 37 of the instruction manual, count down 19 words to find the password.

I miss those, too. "On page 47 about terraforms, what is the 17th word" (SimEarth)

SI

[SlapBone]

I think this funny due to the fact that you cock-blocked Druez in the game you are talking about.

On another note I had a CD damaged (2 year old played with it on the linoleum for a bit) and Shrapnel replaced it free.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by corbes

I would lose that binder pronto.

Type them up in an e-mail and send it to yourself. Even if your computer crashes, you have them all saved in the e-mail server.