I cannot believe there is an unedited version of the Beheading!

[mauchow]

Uuuuuuuughh.

I feel like barfing.

[BishopMVP]

Of course there is. You can find whatever video you want on the internet.

[mauchow]

I really wasn't expecting it to be unedited. I had watched the version Yahoo! had, and they just stopped as he brought his knife out, whereas this one they showed the wholed damned thing! Even holding the head at the end!

*Here Come The Nightmares*

[JeeberD]

Someone posted a link on a different board. I don't have the balls to click on it...

Edit: And I don't have the balls to click on that one either...

[BishopMVP]

That might be one of the links you want to hxxp, or even not link to. If someone wants to find it, they can.

[samifan24]

Who would put that up on their server space? The fact that they're hosting the video is disgusting in and of itself.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Someone posted a link on a different board. I don't have the balls to click on it...

Edit: And I don't have the balls to click on that one either...

I have the balls to.
I just don't have the desire.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I have the balls to.
I just don't have the desire.

I have neither.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I have neither.

I think this is me too.

[Maple Leafs]

Explain to me why someone would want to watch that?

[Draner123]

Oh MY GOd i Can't Beleve they actually have that out there its so unnerving to watch. I wanted to barf!

[Fritz]

for something you find disgusting you have gone to some effort to promote, hype, and make the vid accessable.

[Fritz]

dola

when did barf come back into use?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Fritz

for something you find disgusting you have gone to some effort to promote, hype, and make the vid accessable.

I'm in no way promoting this.. I would rather be pissed on! This is beyond outrageous, and if you want to watch it, watch it, if you don't. THEN DON'T!

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I'm in no way promoting this.. I would rather be pissed on! This is beyond outrageous, and if you want to watch it, watch it, if you don't. THEN DON'T!

it's one thing to post the link.
it's another to graphically describe the link, even for those who chose not to look. I could have done without that bullshit attention grabbing on your part.

[EagleFan]

I can;t believe some idiot would even post that. You would figure that the animlas who have no regard for human life would post it, but now for others to do so is just plain disturbing.



Those animals deserve to be tortured beyond belief when found.

[mauchow]

I didn't realize an uproar would be created by a bunch of words.. I had deleted that post though. My apologies.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I didn't realize an uproar would be created by a bunch of words.. I had deleted that post though. My apologies.

thank you

[EagleFan]

Let me clarify. The idiot in question in my post is actually the person whose site is hosting the video. Though posting a link to it comes in a close second (thuogh not my original target).

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

thank you

but it would help now if samifan deleted his quote...

[Suicane75]

Perhaps you should delete the link as well, it just isn't neccesary.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Perhaps you should delete the link as well, it just isn't neccesary.

Done deal..

But I don't understand what's wrong with it being there, if someone wants to see it, they have a right too.

[JonInMiddleGA]

1) I can't believe that there's anyone who "can't believe" this is online. I believe we've reached the point that virtually anything, and I do mean anything, is pretty much available online somewhere.

2) Blood & gore really don't bother me much. That said, I have zero interest in ever seeing this particular footage. (and before anyone asks or even wonders, I've have an equally zero interest in seeing the footage if the roles were reversed).

3) I'm not gonna rip on mauboy for posting a link to it, if he hadn't, there would have been requests for it I'm pretty much certain. And if he hadn't posted it, someone else would have. It's out there, it's (apparently) not hard to find, there's plenty of stuff worse than that out there somewhere.

[Radii]

Put me in JonInMiddleGA's camp on this one, all 3 points.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Radii

Put me in JonInMiddleGA's camp on this one, all 3 points.

Y'know, I'm almost willing to bet that there's a "welcome to the darkside" joke in there somewhere

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Radii

Put me in JonInMiddleGA's camp on this one, all 3 points.

Me, too. Eww... I feel so dirty.

SI

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

1) I can't believe that there's anyone who "can't believe" this is online. I believe we've reached the point that virtually anything, and I do mean anything, is pretty much available online somewhere.

Since you took a shot at me, allow me to clarify: I cannot believe that someone besides those responsible for the attack itself, or those who side with them, would host the video on their server space for pure shock value. I'm not saying I never thought it would show up, it's just that I thought we had some level of decency and respect for Nick Berg's family, and that the only website pathetic enough to host something like this (not to mention all the negatives associated with such a link) would be reserved for the militant groups associated with those who brutally murdered Nick Berg.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

but it would help now if samifan deleted his quote...

Done.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by samifan24

Since you took a shot at me,

Huh?

I was referring to the f'n subject line which beings " I cannot believe ..."
And I don't believe you had anything to do with the subject line.

But if you want to volunteer yourself for some constructive criticism ...

1) If you really thought that this wasn't going to show up only, and in a wide variety of places, then you might want to consider consulting someone specializing in reality therapy. "Decency"? "Respect" -- Umm ... hello ... this is the internet we're talking about here. If that ever existed in great quantity on the 'net (as we now know it), it sure hasn't been around in quite a while. And if you believe it does, then I suggest you hit FOFC less and surf more until you get a better picture of what I'm talking about.

2) See Francis for further instructions.

[cody8200]

I definetely dont want to see this video. I saw the other one with the 3 us soldiers being hung on the bridge...it was horrible. I wont be watching any more real life deaths ever again.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Who's Nick Berg, and why was he beheaded? I seriously don't know. I don't follow the news.

[bbor]

I want to see the video of the mother f'ers that did this getting their lives extinguished.

I generally 'hate' no man,but this is one case were i come real close.

[JonInMiddleGA]

PT - This is actually a "remembering Berg" story, so it's a little out of sequence of the actual timeline, but it oughta cover the essentials.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040512/D82H8G5G0.html

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Huh?

I was referring to the f'n subject line which beings " I cannot believe ..."
And I don't believe you had anything to do with the subject line.

But if you want to volunteer yourself for some constructive criticism ...

1) If you really thought that this wasn't going to show up only, and in a wide variety of places, then you might want to consider consulting someone specializing in reality therapy. "Decency"? "Respect" -- Umm ... hello ... this is the internet we're talking about here. If that ever existed in great quantity on the 'net (as we now know it), it sure hasn't been around in quite a while. And if you believe it does, then I suggest you hit FOFC less and surf more until you get a better picture of what I'm talking about.

2) See Francis for further instructions.

I could do without the condescending sarcasm.

[Mantle2600]

ive never had problems with gore and torture i thought, till i saw passion of the christ, which made me cringe a little bit, so I just dl'ed this movie, and it is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen, I feel so bad for this guy and his family. Ugh. I hope these people get fu**** up for this, it is just to sick. I can see me shooting someone to protect myself but I could never see me stabbing someone, and the ass holes cut his frickin head off. if I go to hell, I hope I at least get a chance to torture these assholes while im there.

[Craptacular]

Part of me wants to watch the video so I can realize what pure hatred for another person would feel like. I have the same feeling I had when they dragged those bodies through the streets and hung 'em from a bridge, with kids celebrating. As soon as we found out about it, we should have sent a few billion dollars worth of Tomahawk cruise missiles that way.

[mauchow]

I've been hearing that it may be fake...

I know, I know, say what you want, "They've found the remains..." The government can say anything they want to fabricate something...

Now, back to my point...

During the video, the second after the killer pulls out his knife, the camera goes blurry and zooms in on one someone's clothes.. So you can't see anyhthing but junk.

10 seconds later it's zoomed back out. Okay, no biggie, right?

Well, if you look at the clock at the bottom right, it zooms forward in time 11 hours(someone over at OOTP pointed this out..)

Man.. If I could believe that it was fake, that would be wonderful.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

PT - This is actually a "remembering Berg" story, so it's a little out of sequence of the actual timeline, but it oughta cover the essentials.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040512/D82H8G5G0.html

Thanks.

[SFL Cat]

I don't watch snuff videos. Just one more reason these people deserved to be hunted down and killed.

[The Afoci]

When it comes to these crazy people, it is us or them. I choose them. Now, the challenging part is to educate the non crazies to show them we aren't trying to kill everyone when that is all they are shown.

[stevew]

I accidentally clicked on a link on the drudgereport. Not the video, but stills from it. Gross.

[pjstp20]

I haven't watched the video but Ive been to the websites that have a link to it. I love how they justify displaying this atrocity by saying it's our patriotic duty to watch, so we can understand what we're up against. Meanwhile its mostly conservative websites promoting their agenda. How about respecting the Berg family and not display their sons death to the public. Is it that important to fuel your hype machine?

[chrisj]

Originally Posted by Craptacular

As soon as we found out about it, we should have sent a few billion dollars worth of Tomahawk cruise missiles that way.

While I hate to see something like that happen - I have to apoint out that you have already done that. That's part of the reason many Iraqis are upset with the American government.

[Tekneek]

People need to see this kind of stuff. They need to know what happens in this world, and what kind of people we're dealing with in those parts of the world. I felt the same way about the Daniel Pearl video. It is important to know what these enemies are up to and the kinds of things they will do.

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by pjstp20

How about respecting the Berg family and not display their sons death to the public. Is it that important to fuel your hype machine?

Oh, this was a private matter? How did it get all over the news and where did the video come from? I don't think it is fueling a hype machine, it is demonstrating a harsh reality that more people need to know about (not fewer people).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by samifan24

I could do without the condescending sarcasm.

And I could do with not being accused of something I didn't do

Since you took a shot at me ...

Hence my follow-up reply.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

People need to see this kind of stuff. They need to know what happens in this world, and what kind of people we're dealing with in those parts of the world. I felt the same way about the Daniel Pearl video. It is important to know what these enemies are up to and the kinds of things they will do.

I think we do know what happened, the guy got beheaded.
You don't need to see it to know what happened or be angry about it.

[Tekneek]

Videos and pictures are far more effective against humans because that is how our mind works. It's one thing to read about the concentration camps the Nazis had, but it is completely different to actually see pictures and video of what was found there. We might not consider it to be as bad as it was if we had no clear idea of just what it was like. I can read descriptions of it and think it is bad, but actually seeing it really drives it home. When it comes to these bad things, I can't really clearly "see" what it was about, because I've never seen it before. I would not understand just what it was like for the WTC to collapse if there were no videos or pictures of it. I don't want somebody else filtering these items for me. I want to know what these people are doing to our people, just like I want to know what our people are doing to them. Ultimately, it's ok if you don't want to know how savage they can be, but I want to know and don't think you should be deciding whether I can or not.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

People need to see this kind of stuff. They need to know what happens in this world, and what kind of people we're dealing with in those parts of the world. I felt the same way about the Daniel Pearl video. It is important to know what these enemies are up to and the kinds of things they will do.

I'm not justifing these killings in any way. But anytime someone comments on "those kind of people", please remember that those kind of people don't consider themselves terrorists, but patriots. We were also considered terrorists 230 years ago when fighting the Brittish.

And while these are certainly atrocities, we've committed quite a few over there ourselves. It's the glass houses sort of thing that I'm pointing out here.

Back to the original discussion...

Everything's posted on the web. I remember seeing some really distrubing 9/11 footage - jumpers shown "landing" (imploding? impacting?), bodies on fire falling, the aftermath on the ground, etc. If you're going to look for it, you can find it now - for better or worse.

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

I'm not justifing these killings in any way. But anytime someone comments on "those kind of people", please remember that those kind of people don't consider themselves terrorists, but patriots. We were also considered terrorists 230 years ago when fighting the Brittish.

And while these are certainly atrocities, we've committed quite a few over there ourselves. It's the glass houses sort of thing that I'm pointing out here.

You won't get any argument from me on those points. I think we need to be able to see the acts of all sides anytime we can. Without the Internet, we would not have access to this information. Information is freedom.