U-20 Nominations

[Airhog]

Its getting to be that time again folks. U-20 is up for election next month. We need to find another FOFC'er to back in this election, and flex our muscles. Let the nominations begin!

[saintjo]

Does TP want to run again? If so, I would think we would back him again.

[Havok]

i think we should all vote for that guy helping TP out.... i forget his name but he's doing a bang-up job from what i hear.

[DukeRulesMAB]

Yeah, I can't vote for a FOFCer this time, cuz I'm voting for brixnvy (I probably spelled that wrong) should he run. He's been TP's right hand man in collecting the 17/18/19 YO information, has been very personable and active, and obviously is in a better position to be familiar with the new talent than anyone.

[YoSoySean]

Originally Posted by DukeRulesMAB

Yeah, I can't vote for a FOFCer this time, cuz I'm voting for brixnvy (I probably spelled that wrong) should he run.

yeah... it's brxnivy

[GoldenEagle]

I still think we should vote for a native FOFCer.....

[saintjo]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I still think we should vote for a native FOFCer.....

I agree, therefore get this brxnivy guy to be a FOFC'er

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by saintjo

I agree, therefore get this brxnivy guy to be a FOFC'er

He still would not be an FOFCer in my opinion...

Here is some names that pop to my head for U20:
Coffee Warlord
Vexroid
DataKing
AE
Doug5984


These FOFCers have been around for a long time and would get my vote over whoever (no offense to who is running).

[saintjo]

what about AE? is he interested in running? his name is still probably publicly known from running for the national trainer last season.

[vex]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

He still would not be an FOFCer in my opinion...

Here is some names that pop to my head for U20:
Coffee Warlord
Vexroid
DataKing
AE
Doug5984


These FOFCers have been around for a long time and would get my vote over whoever (no offense to who is running).

TP6 came over after DataKing beat him...

[DataKing]

Yeah...he wanted to see where the hell a no-name like me got all those votes.

[finkenst]

Originally Posted by saintjo

what about AE? is he interested in running? his name is still probably publicly known from running for the national trainer last season.

while i wouldn't have a problem writing ArdentEnthuias down for u20 coach, his last two seasons have been disastrous for the raiders...

what about bringing lytic back to the US?

[Coffee Warlord]

While I'd rather take National Trainer, u-20 might be amusing as well

[TargetPractice6]

Originally Posted by saintjo

Does TP want to run again? If so, I would think we would back him again.

Absolutely no way. I never want to read another HT mail again.

And I'll be voting for brxnivy this time around. He's helped me a ton with keeping track of future U20 players. He has lists of the top 17, 18 and 19 year olds players. Normally I'd vote for an FOFCer, but I don't think there is a better prepared person for the position than nivy.

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Absolutely no way. I never want to read another HT mail again.

And I'll be voting for brxnivy this time around. He's helped me a ton with keeping track of future U20 players. He has lists of the top 17, 18 and 19 year olds players. Normally I'd vote for an FOFCer, but I don't think there is a better prepared person for the position than nivy.

I think I agree with TP, here. In my dealings with the u20 crowd because of Dix, I've found that brxnivy has been sort of "groomed" for the position, and he's already got a leg up on any other candidate by knowing the current team and all the potentials. Plus, he seems like a pretty good guy.

~tk

[lytic]

Originally Posted by finkenst

while i wouldn't have a problem writing ArdentEnthuias down for u20 coach, his last two seasons have been disastrous for the raiders...

what about bringing lytic back to the US?

Thanks! After a year of doing U20... (literally a year folks) I need a break. I was also quite disappointed in the U20 matches last week... that took a lot of my HT energy out of me. Just imagine if that happened in the USA! Of course I will never let that happen again (if any don't know, I let the default lineup I set the week before go, I checked the lineup and it was good to go to find out that at match time it didn't take)...

Maybe after AE gets elected for something I'll be the next FOFCer to run in the USA. I don't think this U20 will be a contest... that one guy has too much spare time *not* to be U20 coach or a MOD or both.

[Coffee Warlord]

Got me sold on the guy. I'm up for backing him.

I still want national coach though, dammit.

[The Afoci]

I think I might run in Canada. I haven't been as active lately, but should have sometime again. Canadians Unite!

[apoc]

I will also be voting for nivy sorry guys but he just deserves it with the amount of work he has been putting in.

[Poli]

I'd love to get 'Nivy over here, but that might be a little hard to do. FOFC rubs some people the wrong way, for one reason or the other. Just remember, FOFCers, you are our ambassadors.

I'd also like to officially decline from the running of U-20, I'm just not interested in the position.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ambassadors?

Fuck all ya'all that aren't FOFC'rs! May you be mounted by a diseased yak!

How's that for diplomacy.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ambassadors?

Fuck all ya'all that aren't FOFC'rs! May you be mounted by a diseased yak!

How's that for diplomacy.

Well, the word ambassadors doesn't fit everyone. Cancer is the best word for some.

[vex]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ambassadors?

Fuck all ya'all that aren't FOFC'rs! May you be mounted by a diseased yak!

How's that for diplomacy.

As a supporter of CW, I second this motion.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by vexroid

As a supporter of CW, I second this motion.

I dub thee ambassador to....Norge!

[YoSoySean]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Well, the word ambassadors doesn't fit everyone. Cancer is the best word for some.

well.. if you take out the "amb" and the "adors"...

[saintjo]

do we really have a bad reputation? i had seriously never heard that before.

[Airhog]

well, I would definately support brxnivy. I have dealt with him about my crappy excellent yp. He does seem like the man for the job though.

[Airhog]

dola, Yo would think some candidates would try to woo us though, maybe offer us some cookies in exchange for our block vote

[daedalus]

I've had limited dealing with 'nivy but, unless certain people here runs, I'll most likely be supporting him. As TP said, he seems to be the one compiling the list of players and seems to know the players well, not to mention seeming to be fairly personable as well.

Yes, saintjo, we do. Not everybody share the same "sense of humour" and some FOFCers can come off more obnoxious than others when they insist that everybody enjoy their brand of humour.

[saintjo]

Originally Posted by daedalus

Yes, saintjo, we do. Not everybody share the same "sense of humour" and some FOFCers can come off more obnoxious than others when they insist that everybody enjoy their brand of humour.

WHAT?!? Screw them then

Seriously, I didnt know that we were not liked. Its funny though, because this federation seems to be really growing lately as well. We are definately one of the most "powerful" federations (at least I think so) in the USA because of our voting blocks and the fact that we stick together so well.

As for who to vote for, I vote for whoever the FOFC tells me to vote for. If none of us want to run and this assistant guy is as good as you say he is, I say we back him.

Also from a FOFC public relations point of view, I think we should make it very public for whoever we decide to back. It should help show that we are a large, powerful voting block and get us a some more recognition. I think it will help with future elections.

[TargetPractice6]

Actually saintjo, the big reason for some people not liking FOFC is the block vote. I've never seen the problem with it, but several people pointed out their distaste for it when I tried to get them to vote for ardent.

[vex]

tell them if we thought there was a better candidate, we'd vote for them.

[Matt2You]

brxnivy has my vote, its only fair. I won't vote for someone from our group of people just because they are from FOFC.

[FryDog]

Hello FOFC'ers,

I've visited these boards in the past, but only as an observer. I have just come to give some of my input (whether it is deemed worthy is up to you) on the image of FOFC.

AE has it right that the FOFC does rub some people the wrong the way. Posts from both GoldenEagle and CoffeeWarlord in this thread are not really becoming of a positive image for FOFC... especially from a viewer (such as myself) looking in from the outside.

I understand there is a great brotherhood (and sister) that goes on in this organization, but I would also hope it doesn't cause blind voting. I have respect for both apoc and TargetP, and if they say brxnivy is a fantastic candidate for the U20 position, I would tend to believe them. But, never the less, I'll still await to view all the candidates that present themselves when time for new U20 elections occur.

My motive with this post wasn't to bash the FOFC, but more along the lines of warning the organization about behavior that could look bad from the view points of outsiders.

Anyhow, good day to you all

- FryDog

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Actually saintjo, the big reason for some people not liking FOFC is the block vote. I've never seen the problem with it, but several people pointed out their distaste for it when I tried to get them to vote for ardent.

You can't please all the people all the time. HT is no different. If someone decides based on something other than qualifications, then that's their problem.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by FryDog

Hello FOFC'ers,

I've visited these boards in the past, but only as an observer. I have just come to give some of my input (whether it is deemed worthy is up to you) on the image of FOFC.

AE has it right that the FOFC does rub some people the wrong the way. Posts from both GoldenEagle and CoffeeWarlord in this thread are not really becoming of a positive image for FOFC... especially from a viewer (such as myself) looking in from the outside.

I understand there is a great brotherhood (and sister) that goes on in this organization, but I would also hope it doesn't cause blind voting. I have respect for both apoc and TargetP, and if they say brxnivy is a fantastic candidate for the U20 position, I would tend to believe them. But, never the less, I'll still await to view all the candidates that present themselves when time for new U20 elections occur.

My motive with this post wasn't to bash the FOFC, but more along the lines of warning the organization about behavior that could look bad from the view points of outsiders.

Anyhow, good day to you all

- FryDog

Howdy, FryDog. About time you came by to say hi!

[FryDog]

damnstr8

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Matt2You

brxnivy has my vote, its only fair. I won't vote for someone from our group of people just because they are from FOFC.

No offense to my STL brother, but you might be missing some of the connection between us and HT.

For many of us, we started at FOFC and really like this community. Many of us were friends before hattrick. We're an extended family of sorts. We'd have our backs on any venture we were in, be it Hattrick or any other game.

I can understand this might be hard to understand for some HT'ers and people who only use fofc boards for HT only. Your view might legitimately be different than ours, and I'm not trying to discourage it.

In the end, FOFC/HT is becoming a big melting pot, with old FOFCers and new HTers, our future is bright! I certainly am enjoying it!

[Havok]

Originally Posted by FryDog

Hello FOFC'ers,

I've visited these boards in the past, but only as an observer. I have just come to give some of my input (whether it is deemed worthy is up to you) on the image of FOFC.

AE has it right that the FOFC does rub some people the wrong the way. Posts from both GoldenEagle and CoffeeWarlord in this thread are not really becoming of a positive image for FOFC... especially from a viewer (such as myself) looking in from the outside.

I understand there is a great brotherhood (and sister) that goes on in this organization, but I would also hope it doesn't cause blind voting. I have respect for both apoc and TargetP, and if they say brxnivy is a fantastic candidate for the U20 position, I would tend to believe them. But, never the less, I'll still await to view all the candidates that present themselves when time for new U20 elections occur.

My motive with this post wasn't to bash the FOFC, but more along the lines of warning the organization about behavior that could look bad from the view points of outsiders.

Anyhow, good day to you all

- FryDog

Howdy Fry Dog!

Nice to see you here..... i've seen you on the USA boards and tend to agree with you quite often on different topics and such. Also your a balanced coach fan like me so your OK in my book!!!

Anyway, about some of what you brought up. What GE and CW said really shouldn't rub anyone the wrong way. If you know CW, you know he's just a crazy guy.... and we love him for it. And with what GE said, well he's got a point. You may call it blind voting but i seriously disagree, and i'll give an example.

Onionpatch. While i like OP and he seems like a great guy and all, but he didn't know that wingers played offensive get a offensive boost reguardless of secondary skills!!! Plus the guy has been playing HT for EVER and he's in divison III. PLUS, im pretty sure he threw a couple games late last season so he wouldn't auto-promote to divison II. Thats a big no no in alot of peoples book in HT.

Now FOFC was voting for Ardent for national coach.... he lost but you can't say we were blind voting. Trust me AE knows his stuff, he truly loves HT. Just look in everyone in the USA's guestbook!!!! he's signed them all!!! You also gotta give him credit for promoting to divison III last season knowing full well he was gonna get slaughtered every week. He's a better man then me! He also has the advantage of 80+ players here at FOFC to help him with anything he would be unsure about.

If you go back even further, we all voted for TP for U-20 trainer. I'd hardly call that blind voting aswell. He's a member of FOFC yeah.... but i think everyone in the USA knows that TP is an experianced veteran and knows as much about tactics as anyone.

FOFC will never blindly vote for anyone...... 80% of us here are HT addicts and when/if we pick a FOFC'er to run for National/U-20 coach, you can bet your ass they'll make a good coach or else we wouldn't pick him/her to represent us. Honestly...... if anyone should be accused of blind voting its the rest of the USA. Everyone just wants to vote for the older guys, reguardless of what they've accomplished in HT. Like just because they've been playing HT for 3 years somehow makes them great managers. Hell they re-elected slashers after he screwed us in 1 world cup, then he turned around and made another stupied mistake in the next world cup!!



P.S. - this wasn't an attack on you Frydog..... its for other people who label us without getting know us first.

[NAIWF]

Originally Posted by saintjo

As for who to vote for, I vote for whoever the FOFC tells me to vote for. If none of us want to run and this assistant guy is as good as you say he is, I say we back him.

I think that's the kind of point that would rub people the wrong way, especially if they didn't know you. I won't get into the politics of voting blocks, but as a now inactive member of a fraternity I once loved, I'll just say that there are some instances where loyalty, especially when it's blind, is a very bad thing. Just my 2 pennies.

[thealmighty]

If nominated. I will not run.
If elected, I will not serve.
If handed a sock, I will not... well, maybe. OK, probably. All right, dammit. Hell, yes, I will, and you know you would, too.


Now turn off the light and close the door.

[FryDog]

RE: Havok

I appreciate your viewpoint and thanks for the explenation.

You are probably right in not knowing GE or CW that well... I can see the joking nature in their posts.

As far as OP and Slashers a second time around, I agree with your comments on blind voting. In a recent thread on the USA conf, I wanted to reply by listing some of the past running platforms OP used when running for the national coach many many times before his current term, but couldn't remember them or find someone who did.

The one arguement I do have for voting in experience over lower division teams is the experience of using high level ratings. I believe HT is a very different game for teams in division IV and below than it is for division III and above. I have noticed this myself with my team. This is also crucial experience when dealing with a national or U20 squad because of the elite ratings they achieve.

But, never the less, I wish good luck to all FOFC'ers with their future endevours in HT.

[saintjo]

Originally Posted by NAIWF

I think that's the kind of point that would rub people the wrong way, especially if they didn't know you. I won't get into the politics of voting blocks, but as a now inactive member of a fraternity I once loved, I'll just say that there are some instances where loyalty, especially when it's blind, is a very bad thing. Just my 2 pennies.

When I say I will vote for whoever the FOFC tells me to vote for, its not a blind vote. Its because I trust most others on these boards. If the FOFC decides to back someone, its because we honestly believe the guy is the best. If this many people tell me brxnivy is a good candidate, I trust their judgements. On top of that they have presented a good arguments on why to vote for him. We all make a part of the decision. To me, a blind vote would be that someone just told me who to vote for without any supporting evidence or listening to my input. But there is a huge power in using voting blocks, and it should be utilized.

[FryDog]

Originally Posted by saintjo

When I say I will vote for whoever the FOFC tells me to vote for, its not a blind vote. Its because I trust most others on these boards. If the FOFC decides to back someone, its because we honestly believe the guy is the best. If this many people tell me brxnivy is a good candidate, I trust their judgements. On top of that they have presented a good arguments on why to vote for him. We all make a part of the decision. To me, a blind vote would be that someone just told me who to vote for without any supporting evidence or listening to my input. But there is a huge power in using voting blocks, and it should be utilized.

But what if you believe someone else is more qualified? If everyone who votes in this organization did their own research on the best candidate and still came to the same conclusion, then there shouldn't be any problems.

[vex]

I heart FOFC.

[Havok]

I heart Iver Dyrberg..... even thought he didn't bump to Brilliant PM tonight like he was supposed to

[GoldenEagle]

I am an FOFCer before I am a Hattricker!

(Damn, I sounded like one of those elitests in the General Discussion thread)

[lytic]

Geez Frydog... no repsect for lytic?

I see how it is... you smell like pea soup!

[Poli]

I shall fling popcorn in your general direction!

[saintjo]

Originally Posted by FryDog

But what if you believe someone else is more qualified? If everyone who votes in this organization did their own research on the best candidate and still came to the same conclusion, then there shouldn't be any problems.

If I truely believed FOFC was supporting the wrong guy, I would say I dont agree and make an arguement on here for why. If they still wanted to go with someone I didnt agree with, I wouldnt vote with them. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote for anyone they dont want too.
Usually some people make some nominations and we discuss it. This year we havent been able to discuss it as much since we seem to be defending ourselves more than we should have to.
If you dont agree with who we decide to back and if we even decide to back someone, don't vote with us please I can do whatever I want with my vote, just like you can do whatever you want with yours. They are worth the same amount.