Arena size/VIP seats.

[Tellistto]

I know this was talked about a while back, but I'm a bit lazy to go looking for it, so I'll post it again. I'm going to be doing a stadium upgrade in the near future, up to 25k or 30k, depending on what people think of having a 30k seater in VI with less than 1000 supporters atm.

Other than that, is the question of VIP seats. I currently am using 3% after what was talked about in the other thread. My question is for those who have 3% with larger stadiums. Is it worthwhile? I know it will generate more income, 5k or more at 25k seats, but do you have any issues with selling them? Should I go to 25k or 30k, considering that I'll be going into pretty deep debt to do it, and 3% makes it cost even more. If my keeper sells that I'm trying to offload I'll have ~100k in the bank plus the ~300k I'm willing to go into debt to do it. Thoughts? Comments? Info please.

Tell

[FrogMan]

Sometimes I feel like sharing what's hidden in my excel spreadsheet. Here we go, crowd levels of all my home competitive matches since my second season, first complete season...

type	WEATHER	terr	basic	under	VIP	CROWD	CAP	% SOLD	% terr	% basic	% under	% VIP	FAN CLUB	$/SPEC	RATIO
19.01	fairly good	6290	2958	1027	240	10515	12000	87.6%	59.8%	28.1%	9.8%	2.3%	576	10.6	18.3
Cup	pretty good	7560	3000	1182	240	11982	12000	99.9%	63.1%	25.0%	9.9%	2.0%	591	7.0	20.3
Cup	sunny	7560	3000	1200	240	12000	12000	100.0%	63.0%	25.0%	10.0%	2.0%	619	7.0	19.4
19.04	cloudy	7140	3000	1182	240	11562	12000	96.4%	61.8%	25.9%	10.2%	2.1%	654	10.5	17.7
19.06	pretty good	7262	3000	1182	240	11684	12000	97.4%	62.2%	25.7%	10.1%	2.1%	706	10.5	16.5
19.08	overcast	7546	3000	1200	240	11986	12000	99.9%	63.0%	25.0%	10.0%	2.0%	758	10.4	15.8
19.10	overcast	7560	3000	1200	240	12000	12000	100.0%	63.0%	25.0%	10.0%	2.0%	810	10.4	14.8
19.12	fairly good	10193	5203	1684	406	17486	22004	79.5%	58.3%	29.8%	9.6%	2.3%	856	10.7	20.4
19.13	rain	8868	3869	1480	529	14746	22004	67.0%	60.1%	26.2%	10.0%	3.6%	880	11.0	16.8
20.01	rain	6873	2942	1138	397	11350	22004	51.6%	60.6%	25.9%	10.0%	3.5%	1056	11.0	10.7
Cup	fairly good	13640	5500	2200	664	22004	22004	100.0%	62.0%	25.0%	10.0%	3.0%	1070	7.2	20.6
Cup	sunny	13640	5500	2200	664	22004	22004	100.0%	62.0%	25.0%	10.0%	3.0%	1095	7.2	20.1
20.03	rain	6763	2750	1091	362	10966	32004	34.3%	61.7%	25.1%	9.9%	3.3%	1095	10.9	10.0
20.04	pretty good	16615	6392	2273	599	25879	32004	80.9%	64.2%	24.7%	8.8%	2.3%	1115	10.4	23.2
20.06	fairly good	10124	5185	1684	402	17395	32004	54.4%	58.2%	29.8%	9.7%	2.3%	1159	10.7	15.0
20.08	overcast	18560	7870	3024	851	30305	32004	94.7%	61.2%	26.0%	10.0%	2.8%	1207	10.7	25.1
20.10	pretty good	18560	8960	3307	868	31695	32004	99.0%	58.6%	28.3%	10.4%	2.7%	1259	10.8	25.2
20.13	cloudy	11936	5707	2043	480	20166	32004	63.0%	59.2%	28.3%	10.1%	2.4%	1305	10.7	15.5
Qualification	overcast	19486	8075	2962	816	31339	45021	69.6%	62.2%	25.8%	9.5%	2.6%	1353	5.3	23.2
21.01	overcast	13870	5780	2238	594	22482	45021	49.9%	61.7%	25.7%	10.0%	2.6%	1340	13.3	16.8
Cup	sunny	28138	11255	3705	963	44061	45021	97.9%	63.9%	25.5%	8.4%	2.2%	1376	8.7	32.0
21.03	overcast	22195	8819	3254	908	35176	45021	78.1%	63.1%	25.1%	9.3%	2.6%	1388	13.2	25.3
21.05	rain	12360	5156	2040	762	20318	45021	45.1%	60.8%	25.4%	10.0%	3.8%	1435	13.8	14.2
21.07	pretty good	28138	11255	4155	1115	44663	45021	99.2%	63.0%	25.2%	9.3%	2.5%	1481	13.2	30.2
21.09	pretty good	28138	11255	4428	1126	44947	45021	99.8%	62.6%	25.0%	9.9%	2.5%	1523	13.2	29.5
21.11	pretty good	28138	11255	4502	1126	45021	45021	100.0%	62.5%	25.0%	10.0%	2.5%	1567	13.3	28.7
21.13	overcast	28138	11255	4502	1126	45021	45021	100.0%	62.5%	25.0%	10.0%	2.5%	1611	13.3	27.9
22.01	cloudy	24054	9816	3748	1017	38635	45021	85.8%	62.3%	25.4%	9.7%	2.6%	1672	13.3	23.1
Cup	cloudy	33051	11381	4309	1239	49980	60036	83.3%	66.1%	22.8%	8.6%	2.5%	1722	8.7	29.0
22.04	cloudy	35894	12430	4702	1350	54376	60036	90.6%	66.0%	22.9%	8.6%	2.5%	1732	13.0	31.4
Cup	fairly good	37500	14664	4992	1329	58485	60036	97.4%	64.1%	25.1%	8.5%	2.3%	1749	8.7	33.4
22.06	fairly good	15925	8321	2667	632	27545	60036	45.9%	57.8%	30.2%	9.7%	2.3%	1765	13.4	15.6
22.08	sunny	18567	10049	3028	697	32341	60036	53.9%	57.4%	31.1%	9.4%	2.2%	1802	13.4	17.9
22.10	fairly good	37500	15000	6000	1536	60036	60036	100.0%	62.5%	25.0%	10.0%	2.6%	1838	13.3	32.7
22.12	pretty good	37500	15000	5360	1408	59268	60036	98.7%	63.3%	25.3%	9.0%	2.4%	1874	13.1	31.6
22.13	overcast	37500	15000	6000	1536	60036	60036	100.0%	62.5%	25.0%	10.0%	2.6%	1892	13.3	31.7

I once built a stadium at 3%, when I upgraded to 22k, so it's not completely crazy to do this. However, you can see that at higher numbers, my crowds were much more around 2.3% or 2.4%. My current stadium was built to 60k with 2.5%, then I added 36 VIP seats for my supporters, which gives me the 2.6% you can see now

Going to 30k with less than 1000 supporters may be a bit big, but it all depends on how you think your team will do next season, and especially, at what speed you are adding new fan club members... With a good showing in league, and a steady increase of supporters, you could be selling out that 30k by the end of next season...

FM

[Tellistto]

Right now I have 821 supporters, getting 22 per week. As to next season, it really depends on the last match of this season. I'm sure I'll win mine, but it depends on what the team in first does. If he loses or ties his(don't know this can happen, the team he plays hasn't logged in this week) I will auto promote if I win. If he wins, he'll auto promote. I don't know what he'll do, but I'm assuming I'll be in VI next season again. If that's the case, barring an uber V demotee, I should own the series and promote easily. I figure I'll easily have 1000 supporters around mid season if I don't promote this season.


I'm waiting to see what happens, and my upgrade won't be happening for another week or so, though I might do it before then, depending. I'll probably just go with the 3% on this upgrade, and maybe tune it down a bit on further upgrades in a couple seasons. I guess I just have to see where I'll be playing next season to decide what size to build to.

Tell

[Mr. Wednesday]

The thing that's key, I think, is how frequently you sell out one section of the stadium without selling out others vs. overall sellouts. If none of the sections sell out, then the percentages don't matter all that much, if everything sells out then it's better if you went too high. I went 2.75% VIP seats this time around; my utilization is often under that, but I suspect that my number of sellouts might be large enough that I'm still ahead.

[Hobbes-]

I always love the part AFTER the spreadsheet where Frogman explains what he did.. thats where I learn the most.

[Franklinnoble]

Thanks... no matter how much time I spend worrying about this stupid little online soccer game, I'll never feel like I'm taking it TOO seriously, in light of guys like FM.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by Hobbes-

I always love the part AFTER the spreadsheet where Frogman explains what he did.. thats where I learn the most.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Thanks... no matter how much time I spend worrying about this stupid little online soccer game, I'll never feel like I'm taking it TOO seriously, in light of guys like FM.

Frank, you're welcome. Glad I could make someone feel good today

FM