Delusional or a victim???

[Axxon]

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040605_1039.html

You make the call.

[Eaglesfan27]

Neither, I think it's a shrewd (albeit flawed attempt) to sway public affection back in his direction. I suspect he is becoming very depleted of funds and wants to get back to the point where he can appear in B-movies and make money, or do other similar activities to make significant amounts of money.

[Axxon]

Interesting.

I'm shocked that this hasn't happened already. I always thought the public had a short memory and I figured he'd be doing SOMETHING by now but it hasn't happened.

[judicial clerk]

I think he has enough money to get by from his NFL pension (which apparently cannot be touched by creditors, such as the Glodmans) Also, in Florida, the entire value of his home is proctected from general creditors. So as he gets older and the home increases in value, he can always take a loan against the value to get a little more money.

Before he killed his wife, his friendly persona (and his ability to get through an airport) made him one of my favorite NFL vets. Now I can't stand to see a picture of the guy.

[Lucky Jim]

You know although I fully believe he killed or was heavily involved with the killing of his wife, if he somehow wasn't (and I'm talking that 1% chance), he's got a point. The media ruined this guy's life. Thankfully I think he did it, so no problems, ruin away!

[wig]

It didn't fit......

[stevew]

Fuck OJ. Even if you throw out all the evidence that possibly could have been planted, there was still enough evidence there to suggest beyond any reasonable persons mental capacity that he was guilty. And then you couple the abundance of evidence with his actions(Low speed chase anyone?) and its obvious this fuck got away with murder.

[EagleFan]

"You can't watch the media now and not think that Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson and Kobe Bryant are guilty,"


Um, I'm not coninced that Kobe did it by watching the media, I haven;t noticed him being pronounced as guilty in any of the coverage.

As for Michael Jackson, I think he's a freak in general and it's not the media that makes me think that, it's him and his baby dangling over the balcony antics. I think there is plenty of guilt to go around in his case, including the parents of the kids who feel there is no problem putting their kids in that situation to possibly collect a payday.

As for the other guy, I don't think OJ should want to be comparing himself to that wife killer. Sorry, but that is not based on the media, but on his actions.



As for OJ, I seriously suspect that he was involved, but that has nothing to do with the media. That has to do with the multitide of story changes that his defense team came up with to fit the situation. First he was sleeping when the limo arrived, then he was outside pitching golf balls, then he was in the shower...

[Philliesfan980]

The jurors on the OJ trial make our justice system look terrible.

Thats all I really have to say about that.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Neither, I think it's a shrewd (albeit flawed attempt) to sway public affection back in his direction. I suspect he is becoming very depleted of funds and wants to get back to the point where he can appear in B-movies and make money, or do other similar activities to make significant amounts of money.

Doesn't his pension pay him 25k/month?

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

The jurors on the OJ trial make our justice system look terrible.

Thats all I really have to say about that.

As did the Prosecution team.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

The jurors on the OJ trial make our justice system look terrible.

Thats all I really have to say about that.

Well when you move the Trial out of the rich neighborhood and into the city, thats what you sometimes get. But I think the blame is on the prosecution, for failing to nail shut what should have been an easy conviction.

[Philliesfan980]

Why the hell does the NFL have a pension anyway? Maybe this was for the older players who didn't make as much as they do today because of the advent of national television contracts, merchandising, and such.

But really. Are you telling me that an NFL player can't set up his own IRA or whatever for his retirement? They have to get a freaking 25k a year pension too?!!?

[sabotai]

Are you telling me that an NFL player can't set up his own IRA or whatever for his retirement? They have to get a freaking 25k a year pension too?!!?

And to think, there are some players out there that think their union doesn't do enough for them...

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Why the hell does the NFL have a pension anyway? Maybe this was for the older players who didn't make as much as they do today because of the advent of national television contracts, merchandising, and such.

But really. Are you telling me that an NFL player can't set up his own IRA or whatever for his retirement? They have to get a freaking 25k a year pension too?!!?

The Players unions in most sports have very large Pensions that you get if you obtain enough years of service. thats 25k a month dude.

[Jon]

I take the view that's been called (by Molly Ivins, though I'm certain she heard it somewhere else) "framing the guilty man." IT seems the cop did some questionable stuff to someone who was guilty, and the prosecution blew it. We have to remember that the system is process based, not results based. THe jury made a decision based upon teh evidence in the front of them.

As for what he's doing now, "shut up, O.J.. Have you found the real killer on a Florida golf course yet?"

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Why the hell does the NFL have a pension anyway? Maybe this was for the older players who didn't make as much as they do today because of the advent of national television contracts, merchandising, and such.

But really. Are you telling me that an NFL player can't set up his own IRA or whatever for his retirement? They have to get a freaking 25k a year pension too?!!?

Before the civil trial, OJ had something like 4.1 in pension funds tucked away...as you know, he lost the civil suit, and owes like 30 mil, or something. However, I'm pretty sure the court ruled they couldn't touch his pension (25k a month, not a year)

[stevew]

Also since OJ lives in florida, as "head of household" his wages cant be garnished.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally Posted by stevew

The Players unions in most sports have very large Pensions that you get if you obtain enough years of service. thats 25k a month dude.

Thats what I meant. I was typing so quicky (anger) that I wrote "Year" instead of "month".


Thats amazing. If you can't manage the $2 million average salary that you get (and I think I'm being fair - not every NFL player makes $8 million during their entire career). between ages 23-30 (probably about a 7 year average life), then something is wrong with you. You should have enough to live off a modest T-Bill interest figure (4-5%)./

[judicial clerk]

Many of these guys don't know how to manage their money. i think the pension is a very good idea from the NFLPA's point of view. I don't think they want NFL retirees to be broke. Looks bad for the sport and these guys will do embarassing stuff to earn a buck if they don't have the pension. I doubt O.J Simpson evr made 2 million per year. Also, average career length is under 3 years, I think.

All that said, I can't understand how any of these celebrities who earn over a million dollars don't set themselves up for the rest of their life and their kids life. Somebody give me a million dollars so I can show how to do it.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally Posted by judicial clerk

Many of these guys don't know how to manage their money. i think the pension is a very good idea from the NFLPA's point of view. I don't think they want NFL retirees to be broke. Looks bad for the sport and these guys will do embarassing stuff to earn a buck if they don't have the pension. I doubt O.J Simpson evr made 2 million per year. Also, average career length is under 3 years, I think.

All that said, I can't understand how any of these celebrities who earn over a million dollars don't set themselves up for the rest of their life and their kids life. Somebody give me a million dollars so I can show how to do it.

Well, if someone gave me a million, I don't think that I could retire tommorow. But I could do this:

1. Buy a house with cash - no wasting hundreds of thousands on interest that most people make the mistake of doing.

2. Since I don't have a mort. I won't need tons of money to live off of (I'm a realitively simple person). I could have a job that I really loved to do, even if it just brought me a modest salary.

3. Take the rest of the money that I had left over from the house, put it in a conservative 5-6% fund. 500,000 today at 6% annually for 25 years = 2,145,935 million. I'm 23 now and 25 years later (age 48) I could offically retire. After taxes and a very conservative 5% rate of return on 2.145 million, I'd be bringing in 75k a year, which would be fine with me (remember, no mortgage).



edit: since I'm never really touching my principal of $2.145 million, I could setup $250,000 for each of my grandchildren (assuming that I have kids first!) upon birth. Don't even get me started what $250,000 over 50 years will give ya!($4.605 million). The moral of the story is with $1,000,000 you could setup your family line for, well ever quite frankly if you don't have some knucklehead somewhere blowing it on $70,000 yahts and beachouses and such.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Thats what I meant. I was typing so quicky (anger) that I wrote "Year" instead of "month".


Thats amazing. If you can't manage the $2 million average salary that you get (and I think I'm being fair - not every NFL player makes $8 million during their entire career). between ages 23-30 (probably about a 7 year average life), then something is wrong with you. You should have enough to live off a modest T-Bill interest figure (4-5%)./

Well that being said, I think you're operating under the assumption that OJ can't live under that...when the real reason he's probably on TV is because he's a megalomaniac and can't stand to see himself out of the spotlight.

Keep in mind, this guy was a media DARLING in LA. A black guy who was one of the best running backs EVER, won a Hiesman and National title @ SC, and wasn't a "street" player. Many thoguht he spoke "white" and considered him a "sellout"...his domestic abuse problems were swept under the rug. The Juice probably believed he could do no wrong...

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Well, if someone gave me a million, I don't think that I could retire tommorow. But I could do this:

1. Buy a house with cash - no wasting hundreds of thousands on interest that most people make the mistake of doing.

2. Since I don't have a mort. I won't need tons of money to live off of (I'm a realitively simple person). I could have a job that I really loved to do, even if it just brought me a modest salary.

3. Take the rest of the money that I had left over from the house, put it in a conservative 5-6% fund. 500,000 today at 6% annually for 25 years = 2,145,935 million. I'm 23 now and 25 years later (age 48) I could offically retire. After taxes and a very conservative 5% rate of return on 2.145 million, I'd be bringing in 75k a year, which would be fine with me (remember, no mortgage).



edit: since I'm never really touching my principal of $2.145 million, I could setup $250,000 for each of my grandchildren (assuming that I have kids first!) upon birth. Don't even get me started what $250,000 over 50 years will give ya!($4.605 million). The moral of the story is with $1,000,000 you could setup your family line for, well ever quite frankly if you don't have some knucklehead somewhere blowing it on $70,000 yahts and beachouses and such.

Why does this quote remind me of Samir from Office Space?
"Samir, the I think you are missing the point"

If you want to know what I would do with a million dollars... Two chicks at the same time, man!

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Jon

I take the view that's been called (by Molly Ivins, though I'm certain she heard it somewhere else) "framing the guilty man." IT seems the cop did some questionable stuff to someone who was guilty, and the prosecution blew it. We have to remember that the system is process based, not results based. THe jury made a decision based upon teh evidence in the front of them.

As for what he's doing now, "shut up, O.J.. Have you found the real killer on a Florida golf course yet?"

Pretty much what you said. As a jury member, all I could do would be to look at the evidence in front of me. If I truly felt that "some" of the evidence was planted, I'd have to question everything the prosecution told me.

Being a celebrity would have nothing to do with it. I think the jury made the right verdict based off of the evidence they had.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Pretty much what you said. As a jury member, all I could do would be to look at the evidence in front of me. If I truly felt that "some" of the evidence was planted, I'd have to question everything the prosecution told me.

Being a celebrity would have nothing to do with it. I think the jury made the right verdict based off of the evidence they had.

Welcome Back.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Doesn't his pension pay him 25k/month?

25k/month doesn't go as far as it used to do

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

25k/month doesn't go as far as it used to do

Still goes far enough for me. Hell, $2,500 a month would go far enough for me.

[Philliesfan980]

Originally Posted by panerd

Why does this quote remind me of Samir from Office Space?
"Samir, the I think you are missing the point"

If you want to know what I would do with a million dollars... Two chicks at the same time, man!

*Laughs*. I've seen that movie about 50 times and that thought never even crossed my mind when I wrote that message.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Being a celebrity would have nothing to do with it. I think the jury made the right verdict based off of the evidence they had.

I agree with this.

Read Vincent Bugliosi's book "Outraged" however and you won't be able to agree he's innocent. I'm quite convinced if he'd been prosecuting the case, Orenthal would be in prison now.

By the way, the title refers to his feelings about the incompetance of the prosecution. Not the jury, or the dream team but how badly the state ruined the case. If you're into legal books this one is fantastic.