Montana or Leaf???

Ben E Lou · 06-12-2004, 07:26 PM

Interesting guy. Extreme low current development. Extreme high volatility. Extremely good combine scores. How do y'all think he'll turn out?

Chubby · 06-12-2004, 07:27 PM

I will guess Leaf but I'd still draft him.

sabotai · 06-12-2004, 07:27 PM

I like his intelligence score.

stevew · 06-12-2004, 07:32 PM

The fact that he only knows 6 formations leads me to believe that he's Leaf 2.

Cuckoo · 06-12-2004, 07:33 PM

When do we get the results?

I like that he has some speed, and he's a big question mark, but I'd draft him in the first round.

Ben E Lou · 06-12-2004, 07:34 PM

I don't think I've ever seen a guy with numbers this extreme on both ends. 6 formations??? 13% developed???? 23 Bench Press Reps for a QB???

Noop · 06-12-2004, 07:36 PM

He is legit. 4.5 speed? Wow. That is why he only knows a few formations because in college he just ran all day.

Chubby · 06-12-2004, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I don't think I've ever seen a guy with numbers this extreme on both ends. 6 formations??? 13% developed???? 23 Bench Press Reps for a QB???

The low % developed with the high volatility is what has me concerned.

Ben E Lou · 06-12-2004, 07:38 PM

Well, I definitely won't be spending a high pick on him myself. I've got Vick in year 8 (80/82), and a 2nd-year guy who is 37/62.

I spotted him during the draft preview, so it is gonna be a while, probably early tomorrow morning, before we see his red/green ratings. I still need to run the draft extractor, then do free agency and the draft before we see his first post-camp ratings.

I'll definitely let y'all know.

sabotai · 06-12-2004, 07:38 PM

I wouldn't worry about formations. With that intelligence score he should increase that drastically.

MrBug708 · 06-12-2004, 07:39 PM

Montana

Goose · 06-12-2004, 07:39 PM

I think he'll turn out to be a high 70s QB. Worse case scenario should be 65. His combined numbers are too good to be a bust. But his low formations,very high volatility and ultra low current ratings scares me. Would be hard to give him the starts he needs to develop. I would be interested to see if starting him every game for the next few seasons would affect his overall development vs giving him the starts later.

wig · 06-12-2004, 07:42 PM

He's my WigFL QB.

gstelmack · 06-12-2004, 07:56 PM

Montana. I think combine scores are very important.

Leonidas · 06-12-2004, 08:34 PM

His kick holding rating leads me to believe he'd be lucky to be another Leaf.

Dutch · 06-12-2004, 08:36 PM

I think he will definately be above average (at worst).

I'd draft him with a valuable top 5 pick without thinking about it.

Goose · 06-12-2004, 10:20 PM

With a current rating like that, he probably won't even be drafted in the first round. At least not high.

SFL Cat · 06-12-2004, 10:39 PM

I think he is the next Ryan Leaf. Development too low...Volatility too high.

Maple Leafs · 06-12-2004, 11:06 PM

I voted for Montana. The guy doesn't remind me of myself at all.

sovereignstar · 06-12-2004, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose

With a current rating like that, he probably won't even be drafted in the first round. At least not high.

I think you are very wrong.

Honolulu Blue · 06-13-2004, 02:02 AM

I don't care for him too much. First, with a current estimate of only 12, he's likely to sit on the bench for at least two years. Second, the 6 formations is just terrible for a QB that's likely to be drafted high. That will also assure he sits on the bench for at least two years. Third, despite his great speed, his scrambling skill isn't great. And finally, though I care less about volatility than most people, here it's just another negative.

He's likely to go anywhere from 3rd to 16th overall, and even at 16th, he's probably not worth the money. He would need careful management to maximize his value - a mentor, as much preseason action as he can get, a little bit of regular season action, and don't forget to pray for an injury-free development. I'm betting he'll still have significant potential by the time his contract runs out, and I'm sure he'd be a better value then.

I'd compare him more to Terry Bradshaw, who was quite lucky to play in an era where he was given time to develop.

JeffNights · 06-13-2004, 02:07 AM

And the verdict is...

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 08:01 AM

He was drafted 1(2) by Buffalo. The Bills have 15th-year man Mark Brunell as their starter, and no other QB's under contract. He *might* get to play soon.

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 08:08 AM

12/88 at the beginning of late free agency.

Noop · 06-13-2004, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

12/88 at the beginning of late free agency.

So he was legit then?

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 08:38 AM

After first training camp...

MIJB#19 · 06-13-2004, 08:41 AM

That is one scary scouting report!

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 08:48 AM

No kidding. I'm curious to see what will become of him. Buffalo has 4 QB's under contract at the beginning of the preseason, and Castillo's current rating of 12 is the 2nd-best. If the aging Brunell gets injured, it looks like Castillo could play this year.

Noop · 06-13-2004, 08:58 AM

He will never reach his full potential.

korme · 06-13-2004, 09:01 AM

b u s t

WSUCougar · 06-13-2004, 10:03 AM

He's a Husky, so he can't be Ryan Leaf.

oykib · 06-13-2004, 10:41 AM

The suprising thing is that he was drafted 1(2). I would've bet on low first round or his being a second round pick.

Dutch · 06-13-2004, 10:46 AM

I want to see him play.

Tekneek · 06-13-2004, 10:52 AM

Track that kid!

General Mike · 06-13-2004, 10:53 AM

Mark Brunell Jr.

General Mike · 06-13-2004, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

No kidding. I'm curious to see what will become of him. Buffalo has 4 QB's under contract at the beginning of the preseason, and Castillo's current rating of 12 is the 2nd-best. If the aging Brunell gets injured, it looks like Castillo could play this year.

Dola - Didn't even see that Brunell was on the same team when I typed my Brunell Jr. comment. Maybe the original can mentor him.

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 11:01 AM

You got your wish, Dutch. Brunell was done for the year after 6 games with a torn rotator cuff. Castillo started the last 10 games, and played decently for a rookie:

171 for 308, 1790 yards, 11 TD's, 8 INT's, 73.6 Rating.

He's up to 21/88 at the end of his first regular season.

sabotai · 06-13-2004, 11:37 AM

Looking at that intelligence score, I guess he cheated on his Solecismic Test.

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai

Looking at that intelligence score, I guess he cheated on his Solecismic Test.

I think it has been shown that Solecismic Test does not correlate with intelligence. The number of formations he knows is the primary indicator, I believe.

sabotai · 06-13-2004, 11:40 AM

Ah...then what the hell is the test an indicator of?

Noop · 06-13-2004, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

You got your wish, Dutch. Brunell was done for the year after 6 games with a torn rotator cuff. Castillo started the last 10 games, and played decently for a rookie:

171 for 308, 1790 yards, 11 TD's, 8 INT's, 73.6 Rating.

He's up to 21/88 at the end of his first regular season.

What were his rushing numbers?

Ben E Lou · 06-13-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop

What were his rushing numbers?

30 carries, 148 yards, 1 TD.

Noop · 06-13-2004, 12:09 PM

Skydog if you don't mind when you post more of his stats can you add his rushing with it? And his record as a started...

Goose · 06-13-2004, 06:41 PM

He got picked #2 overall. I guess I was dead wrong there then. I would have like to know where he would have been drafted if he fell through the #2 pick.

Anyhow, it does look like he's going to develop since he got the minutes in his first season. And the Solecismic Test is suppose to determine how quickly the QB learns new formations right?

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2004, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose

He got picked #2 overall. I guess I was dead wrong there then. I would have like to know where he would have been drafted if he fell through the #2 pick.

That's a strange question. He was picked by an AI team, so it naturally follows that he wouldn't have "fallen" very far. I guess he would have gone no later than #12 if not then, because another QB was picked in that slot.

2nd season: 16 starts, 278 for 496, 2879 yards, 15 TD's, 19 INT's, 67.0 Rating. 45 rushes, 252 yards, 2 TD's.

He's up to 50/96 at the beginning of 2010. He knows 8 formations now.

Ben E Lou · 06-19-2004, 07:18 AM

Looks like he's coming into his own. 2010 stats:

313 for 522, 3555 yards, 23 TD's, 14 INT's, 83.9 Rating, 46 rushes, 281 yards, 2 TD's.

He knows 9 formations, and is up to 86/96. At this point, I'm guessing that his lack of formations will inhibit him from becoming one of the greatest QB's in my league's history. However, I think he'll be a "normal" star player.

Dutch · 06-19-2004, 04:30 PM

86/96. That justifies a top 5 pick in my book.

I wonder if the ammount of people saying he would bust would have passed on him?

If the first true draft in IHOF is any indicator, this guy would have gone #1 overall. If he wouldn't have, he would next year. That's my guess, anyway.

cthomer5000 · 06-19-2004, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

86/96. That justifies a top 5 pick in my book.

I wonder if the ammount of people saying he would bust would have passed on him?

If the first true draft in IHOF is any indicator, this guy would have gone #1 overall. If he wouldn't have, he would next year. That's my guess, anyway.

Most people have such lousy QB's that the value has sky-rocketed. I think you're going to see a lot of people learn to live with a so-so signal caller. Multi player is a whole different world.

Thank god I set my QB preference high and had Conti delievered to me.

MIJB#19 · 06-20-2004, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Most people have such lousy QB's that the value has sky-rocketed. I think you're going to see a lot of people learn to live with a so-so signal caller. Multi player is a whole different world.

Thank god I set my QB preference high and had Conti delievered to me.

Or two so-so signal callers rotating based on matchups...

Anyway, if the AI is altering used formations based on this QB, I see no reason why a QB rated this high should not be the best QB in league history.

Ben E Lou · 06-20-2004, 07:49 PM

End of Year 4:

97/97

296 for 562, 3832 yards, 16 TD's, 8 INT's, 77.8 Rating. Rushed 37 times for 220 yards and 0 TD's.

Still only knows 9 formations.

View Poll Results: How will Scottie Castillo turn out?
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The next Leaf.	22	36.07%
Starting QB, but nothing special.	22	36.07%
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06-12-2004, 07:34 PM	#6
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I don't think I've ever seen a guy with numbers this extreme on both ends. 6 formations??? 13% developed???? 23 Bench Press Reps for a QB??? __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-12-2004, 07:36 PM	#7
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	He is legit. 4.5 speed? Wow. That is why he only knows a few formations because in college he just ran all day. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

06-12-2004, 07:38 PM	#9
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Well, I definitely won't be spending a high pick on him myself. I've got Vick in year 8 (80/82), and a 2nd-year guy who is 37/62. I spotted him during the draft preview, so it is gonna be a while, probably early tomorrow morning, before we see his red/green ratings. I still need to run the draft extractor, then do free agency and the draft before we see his first post-camp ratings. I'll definitely let y'all know. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-12-2004, 07:56 PM	#14
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Montana. I think combine scores are very important. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

06-12-2004, 07:27 PM	#2
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	I will guess Leaf but I'd still draft him.

06-12-2004, 07:27 PM	#3
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I like his intelligence score.

06-12-2004, 07:32 PM	#4
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The fact that he only knows 6 formations leads me to believe that he's Leaf 2.

06-12-2004, 07:33 PM	#5
Cuckoo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmond, OK	When do we get the results? I like that he has some speed, and he's a big question mark, but I'd draft him in the first round.

06-12-2004, 07:39 PM	#11
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Montana

06-12-2004, 07:39 PM	#12
Goose n00b Join Date: Mar 2004	I think he'll turn out to be a high 70s QB. Worse case scenario should be 65. His combined numbers are too good to be a bust. But his low formations,very high volatility and ultra low current ratings scares me. Would be hard to give him the starts he needs to develop. I would be interested to see if starting him every game for the next few seasons would affect his overall development vs giving him the starts later.

06-12-2004, 07:42 PM	#13
wig Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	He's my WigFL QB.

06-12-2004, 08:34 PM	#15
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	His kick holding rating leads me to believe he'd be lucky to be another Leaf. __________________ Molon labe

06-12-2004, 08:36 PM	#16
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I think he will definately be above average (at worst). I'd draft him with a valuable top 5 pick without thinking about it. Last edited by Dutch : 06-12-2004 at 08:37 PM.

06-12-2004, 10:20 PM	#17
Goose n00b Join Date: Mar 2004	With a current rating like that, he probably won't even be drafted in the first round. At least not high.

06-12-2004, 10:39 PM	#18
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	I think he is the next Ryan Leaf. Development too low...Volatility too high.

06-12-2004, 11:06 PM	#19
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I voted for Montana. The guy doesn't remind me of myself at all. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

06-13-2004, 02:02 AM	#21
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	I don't care for him too much. First, with a current estimate of only 12, he's likely to sit on the bench for at least two years. Second, the 6 formations is just terrible for a QB that's likely to be drafted high. That will also assure he sits on the bench for at least two years. Third, despite his great speed, his scrambling skill isn't great. And finally, though I care less about volatility than most people, here it's just another negative. He's likely to go anywhere from 3rd to 16th overall, and even at 16th, he's probably not worth the money. He would need careful management to maximize his value - a mentor, as much preseason action as he can get, a little bit of regular season action, and don't forget to pray for an injury-free development. I'm betting he'll still have significant potential by the time his contract runs out, and I'm sure he'd be a better value then. I'd compare him more to Terry Bradshaw, who was quite lucky to play in an era where he was given time to develop.

06-13-2004, 02:07 AM	#22
JeffNights College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan	And the verdict is...

06-13-2004, 08:01 AM	#23
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	He was drafted 1(2) by Buffalo. The Bills have 15th-year man Mark Brunell as their starter, and no other QB's under contract. He might get to play soon. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'! Last edited by Ben E Lou : 06-13-2004 at 08:01 AM.

06-13-2004, 08:08 AM	#24
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	12/88 at the beginning of late free agency. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-13-2004, 08:38 AM	#26
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	After first training camp... __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'! Last edited by Ben E Lou : 06-13-2004 at 08:39 AM.

06-13-2004, 08:41 AM	#27
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	That is one scary scouting report! __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

06-13-2004, 08:48 AM	#28
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	No kidding. I'm curious to see what will become of him. Buffalo has 4 QB's under contract at the beginning of the preseason, and Castillo's current rating of 12 is the 2nd-best. If the aging Brunell gets injured, it looks like Castillo could play this year. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-13-2004, 08:58 AM	#29
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	He will never reach his full potential. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

06-13-2004, 09:01 AM	#30
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	b u s t

06-13-2004, 10:03 AM	#31
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	He's a Husky, so he can't be Ryan Leaf. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

06-13-2004, 10:41 AM	#32
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	The suprising thing is that he was drafted 1(2). I would've bet on low first round or his being a second round pick.

06-13-2004, 10:46 AM	#33
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I want to see him play.

06-13-2004, 10:52 AM	#34
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Track that kid!

06-13-2004, 10:53 AM	#35
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Mark Brunell Jr. __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

06-13-2004, 11:01 AM	#37
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	You got your wish, Dutch. Brunell was done for the year after 6 games with a torn rotator cuff. Castillo started the last 10 games, and played decently for a rookie: 171 for 308, 1790 yards, 11 TD's, 8 INT's, 73.6 Rating. He's up to 21/88 at the end of his first regular season. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-13-2004, 11:37 AM	#38
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Looking at that intelligence score, I guess he cheated on his Solecismic Test.

06-13-2004, 11:40 AM	#40
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Ah...then what the hell is the test an indicator of?

06-13-2004, 12:09 PM	#43
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	Skydog if you don't mind when you post more of his stats can you add his rushing with it? And his record as a started... __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.