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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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OT: The Myth of Political Polarization
Sorry for yet another political topic, esp. on a Friday evening (I've been out of town). I thought this recent column by Robert Samuelson, columnist for Wash Post and Newsweek was interesting.
http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/samu0629.htm
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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I thought this part speaks the truth and one which I have been guilty of
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This is perhaps why I have been getting out of thinking along the liberal/conservative spectrum and going with the alternative libertarian beliefs. Being involved in such game is nasty and has no redeeming value. As he said, "Politics is increasingly a world unto itself, inhabited by people convinced of their own moral superiority: conspicuously, the religious right among Republicans; and upscale liberal elites among Democrats. Their agendas are hard to enact because they're minority agendas." |
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College Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Burlington, VT USA
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That may have been the best political article I've read in years.
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North Carolina
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That is the truth, period. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Not too far away
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The Austin American-Statesman has been running a great series called "The Great Divide" which disagrees whole heartedly with Samuelson. This piece of reporting to me is far more comprehensive and convincing suggesting that there is indeed a big divide and that extends to the very communities we live in. Here is the first of the three articles that have been published. If you want the Cliff Notes version read the last two paragraphs for a good summary of the article.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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Imo, clusterring is a noticeable phenomemon but it becomes exaggerated in political results because of the lack of real choices or more accurately, the choice between two extremes. Because most voters feel that they HAVE to vote for someone, choose the lessor of two evils and therefore, the pundits automatically assume that a vote for X means a pro-X vote and an anti-Y vote- if that makes sense.
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College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Avondale, AZ, USA, Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
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Great topic, Bucc. For once, I find I agree with you. I believe most Americans are a lot less polarized than the talking heads (on both sides) would have us believe.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Actually clustering is important. If a particular voting district swings heavily in one political direction then the primary, instead of the general election, becomes more important. Primaries, by definition, not only disenfranchise members of the opposite party and independents, but also cater to party extremes as those are the voters most likely to show up. And so we get rid of moderate candidates as it becomes harder for these people to win the nomination.
Further, clustering is important since it makes it easier to demonize the opposition. If you are surrounded by like minded people, and don't have to talk to those who hold a differing opinion, it becomes far easier to buy into the caricature of the otherside. Last edited by Barkeep49 : 07-03-2004 at 11:34 AM. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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Or even apply this to the city or state level. In Baltimore City (and DC as well for that matter), the real race for mayor is the primary. I couldn't even tell you if Martin O'Malley or Anthony Williams were opposed in the general election. The same thing applies for the US Senate races. Any Republican who opposes Sarbanes or Mikulski doesn't stand a chance.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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Reason had an article on EXACTLY this a few weeks back:
http://www.reason.com/links/links061704.shtml Quote:
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia
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The fact that the parties have become closer together on many issues is perhaps a cause of the nastyness - both sides then exaggerate the differences and even create them where they don't really exist for election purposes. Not only are the minor difference amplified but, because it's difficult to maintain rational justification, they're pursued with rigidity.
A second factor is surely the collapse of communism and the movement of the extreme left into mainstream politics. As extreme movements they were easy to isolate and ignore - in the UK we used to call them "the looney left". But now these same people inhabit the green movement (where they can oppose capitalism on environmental grounds) and the acceptable left wing parties. This brings a stridency from the left which then triggers an equal and opposite reaction from the far right. The result is that the two sides are being increasingly represented by the rigid extremes and many of the moderates retire from the debates disallusioned by the level of antagonism.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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Is NoMyths striving to make us all one big ball of purple?
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Poet in Residence
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Charleston, SC
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![]() Frankly, I think everyone who thinks they know what's up reeks of moral superiority. Regardless of red/blue/libertarian nonsense. Including myself. |
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Poet in Residence
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Charleston, SC
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dola...
More seriously, I'd say yes, Cuervo...I want folks to be more educated and more aware. Guess purple's as good a color as any. ![]() |
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Wentzville, MO
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OT: The Myth of Political Polarization
Last post by: NoMyths. This struck me as odd.
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Poet in Residence
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Charleston, SC
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Nice hookup Barkeep, interesting to see something from another area that very much matches my impression of Georgia's political landscape over the past 20 yrs or so.
A couple of odd points struck notes with me too: Quote:
I wonder what the definition of "true independent voters" is. Quote:
I can certainly vouch for that, although in my case, the discussion also included a number of overt political topics as well. Quote:
I wonder if that is tracked statistically from actual voting data/info (as in "somebody looks at the ballots") or if it's based on exit-polling/some other form of unverifiable voter responses? |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Cary, NC
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Wow that is an excellent article, Bucc, and hits the nail right on the head.
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