a great quote from Shrpton's speech last night

[Flasch186]

He drew one of the biggest responses when he said: "The issue of government is not to determine who may sleep together in the bedroom, it's to help those that might not be eating in the kitchen."


The man does know how to speak....if nothing else.

[Fritz]

I hear al is big with queer black homeless demographic

[stevew]

Sharpton is a race-baiting poverty pimp.

[CamEdwards]

the government will feed me? kick ass!

[NoMyths]

I dug the (paraphrased) 'we never got our forty acres and a mule. so now we're going to ride this donkey as far as it'll take us' bit near the end. While I don't agree with his stance on reparations (which preceded the comment), I thought it was a nice bit of speechifying.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

the government will feed me? kick ass!

pssst.

If you work it right, they will also get you a place to live.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

He drew one of the biggest responses when he said: "The issue of government is not to determine who may sleep together in the bedroom, it's to help those that might not be eating in the kitchen."


The man does know how to speak....if nothing else.

I wonder if those who gave him the big response really believe that feeding people is a proper function of government.

[Senator]

They do.

[Easy Mac]

Jesus would say so.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Jesus would say so.

No, He'd say it is a proper function of the Church.

[CamEdwards]

I would like to announce if I'm elected, I will introduce the "Spoon and Fork Assistance Program", which will offer help to those who have trouble feeding themselves. We'll set up classrooms across America and train people in the proper use of spoons and forks.

This will be followed by my next bill, the "Asswiping Assistance Act of 2005", which will also help those unable to perform that vital function.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

No, He'd say it is a proper function of the Church.

no, no, I talked to him about it last night... we were chilling on the couch watching Quintuplets.

[The Afoci]

Masturbatory lessons for all women will be held at my house. Unless your fat. Then you can go to Sharpton and sue him for feeding you to damn much that someone won't teach you to masturbate properly. Tell him twinkies are like your crack and that you may have one in your crack now, but you don't have a crane to turn your fat ass around to check it out.

I got nothing.

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I would like to announce if I'm elected, I will introduce the "Spoon and Fork Assistance Program", which will offer help to those who have trouble feeding themselves. We'll set up classrooms across America and train people in the proper use of spoons and forks.

for a $10,000,000 grant I will develop a technology I call SPORK (spoon + fork - get it?), which will save the taxpayers something substantial. I think each govt provided spork (manufactured by buffworks) should cost about $121.00. A RAND study commissioned by my company estimates the cost of bring the spork to the people will have total per unit cost of $342.00. A big savings of the $413.00 per set cost of providing a separate fork and spoon, not to mention replacement costs when one utensil is lost or destroyed.

[SlapBone]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

No, He'd say it is a proper function of the Church.

He basically DID say that.

[albionmoonlight]

What about the first part of the quote. We were made free, sovereign men by our God. We have voluntarily chosen to partially abdicate that divine freedom and sovereignty to form our government (do not underestimate the three words from which every aspect of American government flows: We The People). Did we really do that in order to have the power to control the sexual behavior of consenting adults?

Sharpton set these two things up as opposites when they are not an either/or proposition by any means, and that was disingenuous on his part. One can easily be against the wasteful aspects of the modern welfare state AND against the police having the right to enter your house and arrest you because they have probable cause to believe that you are having sex in a non-sanctioned manner.

However, given a choice between a government that will incarcerate people for having sex in a non-socially approved way or a government that will establish programs to feed the hungry, I would have to go with the latter.

[Flasch186]

I do find it Ironic that the Right uses Christianity as a major column of their platform but then throws many of the implications of the good book out the window when it comes to social services. Im not saying that I agree with Al but Im certainly not in the rigfht's ballpark either.

[Flasch186]

I do find it Ironic that the Right uses Christianity as a major column of their platform but then throws many of the implications of the good book out the window when it comes to social services. Im not saying that I agree with Al but Im certainly not in the right's ballpark either.

[Fritz]

how do they throw it out the window?

[Flasch186]

http://netbible.bible.org/


when you have some time.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

no, no, I talked to him about it last night... we were chilling on the couch watching Quintuplets.

I'm an expert in the field, and feel completely confident in telling you there is no way Jesus was watching Quintuplets with you last night. Jesus does not watch Fox.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

http://netbible.bible.org/


when you have some time.

2 Timothy 3:10 3:10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this command: “If anyone is not willing to work, neither should he eat.”



Is that the verse you're talking about? Oh right, you were talking about the verse saying the government should feed you. Hmmmm...can't find that one.

[Fritz]

without stopping to read the netbible, did they revise the everliving fuck out of it to list the duties of the government?

[Fritz]

dola - while the religious right may be slim on government welfare, most church folks I know practice many forms of charity.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I do find it Ironic that the Right uses Christianity as a major column of their platform but then throws many of the implications of the good book out the window when it comes to social services. Im not saying that I agree with Al but Im certainly not in the right's ballpark either.

And I find it ironic that you and Al seem to be suggesting that religious teachings should guide the way we run our government (i.e., the Bible says feed the poor, so that's what we should do). Given the current liberal philosophy, there's not much worse you could stand for in their eyes (at least openly, anyway).

It seems to me the distinction you are failing to draw is who should provide those services. One can surely aspire to the standards set in the Bible through non-governmental means.

[Bee]

He was great in Big Mamma's House

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I do find it Ironic that the Right uses Christianity as a major column of their platform but then throws many of the implications of the good book out the window when it comes to social services. Im not saying that I agree with Al but Im certainly not in the right's ballpark either.

Yeah, because Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the like are sooo good about sticking to Biblical standards regarding lies, theft, and fornication.

[stevew]

Which Church is Sharpton a minister at anyways?

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I do find it Ironic that the Right uses Christianity as a major column of their platform but then throws many of the implications of the good book out the window when it comes to social services. Im not saying that I agree with Al but Im certainly not in the right's ballpark either.

I think the problem is in the definition of "needy". I think those on the Left (of this particular issue) have a broader definition than those on the Right (of this issue). I have no particular problem helping people that truly can't feed themselves, but I do have a problem helping people who won't help themselves.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by stevew

Which Church is Sharpton a minister at anyways?

I believe that would be at
The Church of the Self-Serving Sack O' Shit

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

He drew one of the biggest responses when he said: "The issue of government is not to determine who may sleep together in the bedroom."

I didn't know marriage was required in order for people to have sex. Although, if that's how Al feels, I hope he takes that message on the stump.

[stevew]

If the black community is still in a sad state of affairs, why do they still latch on to the Democratic Party? After 50 years of the Donkey promising everything and delivering nothing, one would think that the republicans would be a viable option. But 90% voted for Gore.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Arles

I didn't know marriage was required in order for people to have sex. Although, if that's how Al feels, I hope he takes that message on the stump.

I think most married people will agree that marriage hardly improves your sex life.

[Flasch186]

I think that EVERYONE would agree that if someone isnt willing to work than they should be left in the dust (Darwin) however its the extreme way the Administration at hand has done so much to pull the plugs on sooo many social services, spanning such a wide array of issues, that just goes to show...you can still go to church and be greedy, and not go to church and be needy. It IS ironic that a pillar of the platform is biblical and then they do not follow it in their ends. When you set your argument to defend/attack the extreme of course youll be right, but there is a median that we are fighting for. There are some people that need help, that need YOUR tax dollars, that NEED the wealthy's taxes so that perhaps this year they wont be able to buy that 3rd home. OR as Bill put it we can vote for the current state of affairs and run the largest deficit ever, have more increasing crime rates [especially hen the assult weapons ban expires], and more kids left behind [ironically in the schools that need the help the most]. Ill be voting for a change.


EDIT: and we can spend more money debating and trying to get the CONSTITUTION changed to exclude more people based on something that has nothing to do with anyone else other than the person having to choose (remember we came here cuz we were persecuted) now we do the same, the circle of progress.

[panerd]

Doesn't everyone understand? The United States is not a charity state! We are not here to help feed the lazy & ignorant hungry people of this country! They don't have health care? Well they should have done a better job in school! Schools? They are terrible, let's take more money away from them, that will make them better! You see this is the taxpayer's money and we are the party that wants to give you the taxpayer your money back!

Oh by the way, do you have another couple billion dollars? We are fighting a war over in a foreign country because we care about their starving children and what their oppressive leaders have done with their health care and schools. How can you not care about the poor and oppressed people of the middle East?

[Desnudo]

Don't think too hard on a quote from Al Sharpton.

[Fritz]

they don't need my tax dollars.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Fritz

without stopping to read the netbible, did they revise the everliving fuck out of it to list the duties of the government?

Great now I need a new laptop. This one is covered in fruity pebbles.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I think that EVERYONE would agree that if someone isnt willing to work than they should be left in the dust (Darwin) however its the extreme way the Administration at hand has done so much to pull the plugs on sooo many social services, spanning such a wide array of issues, that just goes to show...you can still go to church and be greedy, and not go to church and be needy. It IS ironic that a pillar of the platform is biblical and then they do not follow it in their ends. When you set your argument to defend/attack the extreme of course youll be right, but there is a median that we are fighting for. There are some people that need help, that need YOUR tax dollars, that NEED the wealthy's taxes so that perhaps this year they wont be able to buy that 3rd home. OR as Bill put it we can vote for the current state of affairs and run the largest deficit ever, have more increasing crime rates [especially hen the assult weapons ban expires], and more kids left behind [ironically in the schools that need the help the most]. Ill be voting for a change.

This is simply scaring thinking. People do not NEED tax dollars. Period. Once you begin from your flawed premise, you've missed the point.

I think you either misunderstood or ignored altogether the comments from above. Charity can be provided by churches, but those who receive don't have to go to church to get charity. You seem to be suggesting that there are poor people who don't go to church, but who need services. They can benefit from those services regardless of whether they attend church.

[Flasch186]

spend spend spend, the Credit card budget, go fight a war and dont fund it. Claim to improve the schools, and dont fund the ones needing it the most but pumping money into the ones that just so happen to be funded already in the first place. I find this absolutely halarious, I dare any of you to run your household on this philosophy for 2 years, and see what happens.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

Great now I need a new laptop. This one is covered in fruity pebbles.

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I think that EVERYONE would agree that if someone isnt willing to work than they should be left in the dust (Darwin) however its the extreme way the Administration at hand has done so much to pull the plugs on sooo many social services, spanning such a wide array of issues, that just goes to show...you can still go to church and be greedy, and not go to church and be needy. It IS ironic that a pillar of the platform is biblical and then they do not follow it in their ends. When you set your argument to defend/attack the extreme of course youll be right, but there is a median that we are fighting for. There are some people that need help, that need YOUR tax dollars, that NEED the wealthy's taxes so that perhaps this year they wont be able to buy that 3rd home. OR as Bill put it we can vote for the current state of affairs and run the largest deficit ever, have more increasing crime rates [especially hen the assult weapons ban expires], and more kids left behind [ironically in the schools that need the help the most]. Ill be voting for a change.


EDIT: and we can spend more money debating and trying to get the CONSTITUTION changed to exclude more people based on something that has nothing to do with anyone else other than the person having to choose (remember we came here cuz we were persecuted) now we do the same, the circle of progress.

You should acknowledge that GrantDawg completely pwned you with his quote.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This is simply scaring thinking. People do not NEED tax dollars. Period. Once you begin from your flawed premise, you've missed the point.

ummm, yes some people do. If we were starting from a level playing field now I would tend to agree with you. but were not, never were. The downtrodden in this country have absolutely no way to have a fair shake at trying to change their lives. Im not saying that it must be exactly the same but to consistently take from them, put more obstacles in front of them while given yourself a 100% pay hike (Average CEO hike in the past 2 years), and claim to be charitable is ridiculous. Charity is easy to understand, giving to someone who doesnt want to work and intends to take advantage of the system is obviously not what we intend, but while the system isnt perfect to say that no one NEEDS tax dollars is ridiculous. I could list the people effected by saying that they dont need tax dollars but it would affect basically everyone outside of the tax bracket that pays the least percentage wise. Everyone from kids int he middle class who cant afford a higher education, to adults trying to re-train for those NEW jobs in those developing industries that W pulled the dollars from but still promises will replace the jobs he lost overseas, to the new born babies in hospitals where the doctors and staff are underfunded, to those who cant afford treatment from things as common as asthma, to kids who have to walk miles to school cuz the bus doesnt go that far, to the police dept. who cant get there on time, to the teachers who have classrooms packed wall to wall, to the kids who have nowhere to go after school since both the parents dont get home til god knows when, from their jobs. To claim that no one NEEDS tax dollars is 3rd world, ignorant, and stubborn. Some people do.

[IMetTrentGreen]

If anyone is not willing to work, neither should he eat

what does it say about people who can't work?

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

If we were starting from a level playing field

good to see the ol' gal can still dance

[Flasch186]

Im jewish...GD, I dont believe in the bible...its filled with hipocrisy, I just find it ironic.....choose a page and pick what you want out of it, most people do anyways. I would gamble that within 5 - 10 pages of that one is something that defends another stance. Like not judging others, yet man shall not lie down with man......what should W do? hmmmm, lets judge!!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

what does it say about people who can't work?

James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their misfortune and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

[IMetTrentGreen]

did anybody on this thread come from a low-income neighborhood? is anybody in here not middle class white guy? i really doubt any of you knuckleheads have any proper perspective on this

some people do need tax dollars. i don't think the govt. does a great job of handing them out, but some people do need it

the motto of the GOP should just be f the poor. why beat around the bush?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Im jewish...GD, I dont believe in the bible...its filled with hipocrisy, I just find it ironic.....choose a page and pick what you want out of it, most people do anyways. I would gamble that within 5 - 10 pages of that one is something that defends another stance. Like not judging others, yet man shall not lie down with man......what should W do? hmmmm, lets judge!!

I'm not the one arguing the government should use the Bible as a basis for government programs.

[IMetTrentGreen]

James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their misfortune and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

there you go. if we're going to use the bible to keep gays from marrying, why can we ignore it as far as helping the poor?