Are FOFC HT-er's elitist?

terpkristin · 07-29-2004, 06:27 PM

The point of this poll is NOT to start a flame war. FM, if one even has a glimmer of starting, please shut this thread/poll down. Please.

I was just thinking that today is the 2nd or 3rd time in the year+ since I've joined FOFC that I've heard "FOFC" and "elitist" in the same sentence. Personally, I've never seen myself as an elitist per se...I try to understand people's suggestions and opinions and if I disagree, well then I file it appropriately.

Part of my lack of understanding of this "elitist" is that I try to avoid the USA Conference. It's most often people asking the same questions over and over and over, or reporting their frustrations. I read it sometimes, but not too often.

Anyway. This is the poll. Do you, or have you, at any point (before or after you joined this group), think/thought that FOFC is an elitist group of HT'ers...

kingfc22 · 07-29-2004, 06:29 PM

But of course. This is FOFC.

Poli · 07-29-2004, 06:53 PM

I answered no, but I could say yes.

No in the sense that most FOFCers haven't been there as long as the upper echelon. We're seen as a well, maybe a plague or something.

bronconick · 07-29-2004, 09:52 PM

F-ing Elitists.

Edit: Weeeeeeeeeee. I'm on the Junior Varsity.

JeeberD · 07-30-2004, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

F-ing Elitists.

Edit: Weeeeeeeeeee. I'm on the Junior Varsity.

No, no, no. It's Fucking elitists.

Damn rookie...

TargetPractice6 · 07-30-2004, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

No, no, no. It's Fucking elitists.

Damn rookie...

He must have learned it from Ardent. Don't be surprised to see him exclaim "JeeberD!" next.

McSweeny · 07-30-2004, 06:46 AM

i always thought FOFC stood for fucking elitist

JeeberD · 07-30-2004, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Don't be surprised to see him exclaim "JeeberD!" next.

I'm surprised that it hasn't caught on more. I guess I just wasn't meant to join the ranks of FOFC Immortality with the likes of Dolamite, HM, and Happy29...

Raven Hawk · 07-30-2004, 07:58 AM

We are elitists, but not in the common term of the word. We're elitists in the same way that people from Blackburn are Rovers . . .

Just because we are 'Elitists' doesn't mean that we act like elitists. Just like people from Blackburn don't rove around at random.

saintjo · 07-30-2004, 08:52 AM

i dont think we are elitists, i just think we are better than everyone else

bronconick · 07-30-2004, 12:27 PM

I profusely apologize for my newbieishness.

And I *do* blame Ardent.

One_to7 · 07-30-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

And I *do* blame Ardent.

Don't we all?

I wouldn't really say you guys are elitist, but you're definitely cliquey. But that's not exactly surprising.

Poli · 07-30-2004, 02:32 PM

Heck, I blame myself. That's nothing new.

Hobbes- · 07-30-2004, 06:41 PM

people are so stupid.. i think it's stupid that people would say FOFC is elitest.. whatever

The_herd · 07-30-2004, 06:57 PM

How can FOFC be considered Elitist when we have Ardent posting in the guestbook of every team in the U.S.?

Havok · 07-30-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saintjo

i dont think we are elitists, i just think we are better than everyone else

What he said ^^^^

arahe · 07-31-2004, 01:01 AM

If we are considered Elite, then I think we should just grin and deal with it...

Poli · 07-31-2004, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The_herd

How can FOFC be considered Elitist when we have Ardent posting in the guestbook of every team in the U.S.?

Can anyone argue against this point?

Maltby · 07-31-2004, 07:08 PM

Better yet, does anyone WANT to argue against that point?

Maltby · 07-31-2004, 07:10 PM

But on a more serious note, if being a collection of people who are having fun with Hattrick, and helping each other out while doing it is considered elitist, then I for one am very proud of being an elitist. Besides, maybe they're all just scared that more than a few of us went with puke green socks for a week or so

bronconick · 07-31-2004, 10:15 PM

I'm still wearing Puke Green socks. Haven't lost yet.

TonyR · 07-31-2004, 10:54 PM

*sidebar* This is my first big post as i usually don't post much. Just a quiet observer for the most part. *end sidebar*

In my opinion, we have just formed a group that has learned to help each other out.
We teach each other and learn from each other. I believe that we have "what is best for the ht world" in our minds. I seems that some people are only looking out for themselves when the FOFC looks out for the FOFC and the ht community as a whole. We are just combining our experiences to help each other out.

Well, enough of my views. I'll got back to my corner and observe.

arahe · 07-31-2004, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR

In my opinion, we have just formed a group that has learned to help each other out. We teach each other and learn from each other. I believe that we have "what is best for the ht world" in our minds. I seems that some people are only looking out for themselves when the FOFC looks out for the FOFC and the ht community as a whole. We are just combining our experiences to help each other out.

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One_to7 · 07-31-2004, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR

In my opinion, we have just formed a group that has learned to help each other out.
We teach each other and learn from each other. I believe that we have "what is best for the ht world" in our minds. I seems that some people are only looking out for themselves when the FOFC looks out for the FOFC and the ht community as a whole. We are just combining our experiences to help each other out.

Other people start perceiving that as elitist when some FOFC inside things/joke (Dola, for instance) make their way to the HT conferences. People then see it as a group excluding them (whether that's true or not has nothing to do with their perceptions), or as something like "it's an FOFC thing, you wouldn't understand."

Having a lot of the teams being above average for the most part (succeeding in V, surviving in IV, or better) doesn't help either. That's probably not all of what there is to it, but that is definitely how some people are forming their perceptions.

I have a psych degree, so I know a bit about this stuff. But it's from a state school, so I probably don't know as much as I think I do.

damnMikeBrown · 07-31-2004, 11:46 PM

This question is beneath me. . .

For the most part though, our background. . .most of us have an interest in, if not competency in statistical analysis. We are min/maxers for the most part, seeking to tweak everything we can out of the engine. Most of us came here through fof sims, ootp, or the like, in which the numbers were our grail. I can see where some people may not like that, or appreciate it.

Havok · 08-01-2004, 03:30 AM

just wait about 2-3 more seasons when FOFC members are all over div III. Its gonna be great

TargetPractice6 · 08-01-2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Havok

just wait about 2-3 more seasons when FOFC members are all over div III. Its gonna be great

As long as that doesn't include the Airborne Penguins it will be great.

Oh yeah, ardent, we're still wearing the socks you sent us too.

Maltby · 08-01-2004, 09:44 AM

I changed my team's socks back..and we've magically begun winning...we were losing before we wore them, and during..I think they took the stench of losing away from us when we threw them out...sorry ardent

Poli · 08-01-2004, 10:10 AM

Everyone hates sometime. It's just your turn.

Desnudo · 08-01-2004, 10:15 AM

In general, no.

TonyR · 08-01-2004, 09:26 PM

I'm just waiting for AE to post "We are the FOFC. Resistance is futile." in everyone's message board.

sterlingice · 08-02-2004, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Havok

just wait about 2-3 more seasons when FOFC members are all over div III. Its gonna be great

Uh, yeah, that must be it *whistles inconspicuously from his Div IV corner where he will be for at least 3 seasons*

SI

vex · 08-02-2004, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyR

I'm just waiting for AE to post "We are the FOFC. Resistance is futile." in everyone's message board.

I would love to see the reaction to that.

Matt2You · 08-02-2004, 03:48 AM

Sounds bloody brilliant to me LOL! And ya' know, I can hardly wait for III !!

I voted no. Fuck, we can be elitistish at times(?) but we don't exclude people--Noone here asked me what I was doing joining FOFC. So that excludes us as actually being elitists....

Poli · 08-02-2004, 04:42 AM

Um, what are you doing here?

TonyR · 08-02-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

I would love to see the reaction to that.

You know it's the AE thing to do.

Poli · 08-03-2004, 05:16 AM

I only regret that I have but one life to give for my federation. Or something.

Airhog · 08-03-2004, 01:51 PM

I never have read the USA Conference much, so I have no clue. But I think AE's grand campaign to post a note in every hattrick Guestbook is a great thing. I only wish I had a job were I could spend hours every day goofing off

Poli · 08-03-2004, 04:27 PM

Me too.

View Poll Results: Do you think (or have you ever thought) that FOFC HT'ers are "elitist"?
Yes (explain below)	13	40.63%
No (explain below)	11	34.38%
Why would TK even ask this question?	8	25.00%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

07-29-2004, 06:29 PM	#2
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	But of course. This is FOFC. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal Last edited by kingfc22 : 07-29-2004 at 06:30 PM.

07-29-2004, 06:53 PM	#3
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I answered no, but I could say yes. No in the sense that most FOFCers haven't been there as long as the upper echelon. We're seen as a well, maybe a plague or something. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-29-2004, 09:52 PM	#4
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	F-ing Elitists. Edit: Weeeeeeeeeee. I'm on the Junior Varsity. Last edited by bronconick : 07-29-2004 at 09:52 PM.

07-30-2004, 07:58 AM	#9
Raven Hawk College Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Thunderdome	We are elitists, but not in the common term of the word. We're elitists in the same way that people from Blackburn are Rovers . . . Just because we are 'Elitists' doesn't mean that we act like elitists. Just like people from Blackburn don't rove around at random. __________________ Owner of The Shreveport Pride in The CFL

07-30-2004, 06:46 AM	#7
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	i always thought FOFC stood for fucking elitist

07-30-2004, 08:52 AM	#10
saintjo College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO	i dont think we are elitists, i just think we are better than everyone else __________________ http://www.MaloMart.com

07-30-2004, 12:27 PM	#11
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	I profusely apologize for my newbieishness. And I do blame Ardent.

07-30-2004, 02:32 PM	#13
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Heck, I blame myself. That's nothing new. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-30-2004, 06:41 PM	#14
Hobbes- High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Philly	people are so stupid.. i think it's stupid that people would say FOFC is elitest.. whatever __________________ Owner of Fockers (71987) Death to 8 Ball!

07-30-2004, 06:57 PM	#15
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	How can FOFC be considered Elitist when we have Ardent posting in the guestbook of every team in the U.S.? __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs

07-31-2004, 01:01 AM	#17
arahe n00b Join Date: Jul 2004	If we are considered Elite, then I think we should just grin and deal with it... __________________ Aksarben Fire (222559) Country: USA Region: Nebraska Arena: Aksarben Fields Language: English Series: #8 in V.241 (Hoping for Demotion at this point...) :(

07-31-2004, 07:08 PM	#19
Maltby H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit	Better yet, does anyone WANT to argue against that point?

07-31-2004, 07:10 PM	#20
Maltby H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit	But on a more serious note, if being a collection of people who are having fun with Hattrick, and helping each other out while doing it is considered elitist, then I for one am very proud of being an elitist. Besides, maybe they're all just scared that more than a few of us went with puke green socks for a week or so

07-31-2004, 10:15 PM	#21
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	I'm still wearing Puke Green socks. Haven't lost yet.

07-31-2004, 10:54 PM	#22
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	sidebar This is my first big post as i usually don't post much. Just a quiet observer for the most part. end sidebar In my opinion, we have just formed a group that has learned to help each other out. We teach each other and learn from each other. I believe that we have "what is best for the ht world" in our minds. I seems that some people are only looking out for themselves when the FOFC looks out for the FOFC and the ht community as a whole. We are just combining our experiences to help each other out. Well, enough of my views. I'll got back to my corner and observe. __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

07-31-2004, 11:46 PM	#25
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	This question is beneath me. . . For the most part though, our background. . .most of us have an interest in, if not competency in statistical analysis. We are min/maxers for the most part, seeking to tweak everything we can out of the engine. Most of us came here through fof sims, ootp, or the like, in which the numbers were our grail. I can see where some people may not like that, or appreciate it.

08-01-2004, 03:30 AM	#26
Havok College Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Florida	just wait about 2-3 more seasons when FOFC members are all over div III. Its gonna be great __________________ Maniacal Misfitz - We're better than you and we know it!

08-01-2004, 09:44 AM	#28
Maltby H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit	I changed my team's socks back..and we've magically begun winning...we were losing before we wore them, and during..I think they took the stench of losing away from us when we threw them out...sorry ardent

08-01-2004, 10:10 AM	#29
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Everyone hates sometime. It's just your turn. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-01-2004, 10:15 AM	#30
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	In general, no.

08-01-2004, 09:26 PM	#31
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	I'm just waiting for AE to post "We are the FOFC. Resistance is futile." in everyone's message board. __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

08-02-2004, 03:48 AM	#34
Matt2You H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Saint Louis	Sounds bloody brilliant to me LOL! And ya' know, I can hardly wait for III !! I voted no. Fuck, we can be elitistish at times(?) but we don't exclude people--Noone here asked me what I was doing joining FOFC. So that excludes us as actually being elitists.... __________________ Owner of Saint Louis Imperfect Assembly, III.5 USA

08-02-2004, 04:42 AM	#35
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Um, what are you doing here? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-03-2004, 05:16 AM	#37
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I only regret that I have but one life to give for my federation. Or something. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-03-2004, 01:51 PM	#38
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	I never have read the USA Conference much, so I have no clue. But I think AE's grand campaign to post a note in every hattrick Guestbook is a great thing. I only wish I had a job were I could spend hours every day goofing off __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

08-03-2004, 04:27 PM	#39
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Me too. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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