FOF Weather

CraigSca · 08-07-2004, 07:29 AM

Was just perusing the week 17 games in the IHOF and I noticed something out of whack. Not sure if it's just an aberration, or a legit bug, but the game being played in Miami has a weather forecast of 30 degrees and sunny, while the Fairbanks, Alaska game will be played in 68 degree conditions.

Is that just one of those freak random situations or is there something legitimately buggy here?

Eaglesfan27 · 08-07-2004, 07:30 AM

Is the Alaska game in a dome? I imagine it probably is in which case both weather reports could be correct.

CraigSca · 08-07-2004, 07:31 AM

Oh, if that's the case, "DUH"! Sigh, I hate domed football stadiums.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-07-2004, 07:32 AM

I generally agree, but I'd imagine it would be an evil necessity in Alaska

gstelmack · 08-07-2004, 07:55 AM

I still like the fact that the TCY National Championship game by default plays in Amherst, NH, so it's almost always a snow game in freezing conditions...

However, I also think there's an error in the weather algorithms. I play USF (South Florida in Tampa) in my TCY careers, and usually about a third of my home games are played in stormy conditions. While Florida can get a lot of rain, it is not often an all-day rain. Tampa in particular gets lots of blow-through thunderstorms. It looks like whatever data was used to generate the chance of rain / storms / sunny just looked at "did it rain at all on this day?", not the likelihood of rain at a particular time. As a result far more games are played in rainy / stormy conditions in TCY (and presumably FOF) than typically happen in an actual season.

Pumpy Tudors · 08-07-2004, 08:15 AM

How to explain 30 degrees in Miami? Did they suddenly switch to Centigrade?

Buzzbee · 08-07-2004, 08:45 AM

The miami team in IHOF was originally in Leesburg, Virginia. The owner of Leesburg (Subby) had to drop out. Sfl_cat took over and was allowed to "move" the team. However, the "move" was purely cosmetic (the city name was changed) but the game still thinks of the team as being in Leesburg. That is how there is a 30 degree game in "Miami".

nfg22 · 08-07-2004, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

I still like the fact that the TCY National Championship game by default plays in Amherst, NH, so it's almost always a snow game in freezing conditions...

However, I also think there's an error in the weather algorithms. I play USF (South Florida in Tampa) in my TCY careers, and usually about a third of my home games are played in stormy conditions. While Florida can get a lot of rain, it is not often an all-day rain. Tampa in particular gets lots of blow-through thunderstorms. It looks like whatever data was used to generate the chance of rain / storms / sunny just looked at "did it rain at all on this day?", not the likelihood of rain at a particular time. As a result far more games are played in rainy / stormy conditions in TCY (and presumably FOF) than typically happen in an actual season.

You have never lived in florida... It rains all the time...

nfg22 · 08-07-2004, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

How to explain 30 degrees in Miami? Did they suddenly switch to Centigrade?

Heh yeah thats gotta be a record low.

nfg22 · 08-07-2004, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

The miami team in IHOF was originally in Leesburg, Virginia. The owner of Leesburg (Subby) had to drop out. Sfl_cat took over and was allowed to "move" the team. However, the "move" was purely cosmetic (the city name was changed) but the game still thinks of the team as being in Leesburg. That is how there is a 30 degree game in "Miami".

I should have read this before replying to his.

cthomer5000 · 08-07-2004, 10:56 AM

Buzzbee nailed it.

we had a couple of franchise "moves" this offseason, which were nothing more than the city being renamed because a new owner was starting their first (full) season. SFL_cat was brand new with Leesburg/Miami. Buccaneer was starting his first full season after being an original owner, having to back out before the league got going, and then later replacing an AWOL owner a few games into the season.

Fairbanks = dome (St. Louis' stadium)
Miami = Leesburg
Telluride = Stillwater, Oklahoma

gstelmack · 08-07-2004, 11:20 AM

A couple of things:

I lived in Florida from '78 to '96, on the West coast (Venice, then Tampa for college, so in the same area as the USF team plays). Yes, it rained a lot, but typically for short durations. Especially when we first moved, Florida was still in the cycle of "every day between 4 and 5 it would rain for 30 minutes". I know the cycle has broken, but when I left in '96 that area was still only getting all-day showers once or twice a year. How often does it rain at a Bucs' home game? My point was not "it doesn't rain very often" but rather "when it does rain, it's relatively short, so you don't often have football games played in stormy conditions." But in TCY it happens ALL the time. It appears the game goes "what's the chance of rain or a storm today?" rather than "what's the cance of rain or a storm during the game?"

I also went to (at the time, believe still accurate) the coldest Buccaneers home game. 28 degrees (or so) against Pittsburgh. Rolling blackouts throughout Tampa due to power consumption trying to heat homes. 30 degrees is not that unheard of, although it's certainly not common.

SFL Cat · 08-07-2004, 12:43 PM

30 degrees is damn cold for Miami, even in the dead of December and January. I've made several comments about Miami's unusual weather patterns on the IHOF forum. As others have pointed out, it is because the Sharks' Miami city affiliation is actually in name only. At least the crazy weather allows me an excuse for the recent poor performance of my team (7-8 so far -- we've lost our last four games and blew a two game lead in our division).

Regarding rain, we generally get rain every day during the summer in South Florida but, as gstelmack has pointed out, it often clouds up, rains buckets for up to one hour or so and then clears off again. This year has been unusually dry for us (I think Texas got all our rain this year), but it's been raining a lot the past couple of weeks.

08-07-2004, 07:30 AM	#2
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Is the Alaska game in a dome? I imagine it probably is in which case both weather reports could be correct. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-07-2004, 07:32 AM	#4
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I generally agree, but I'd imagine it would be an evil necessity in Alaska __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-07-2004, 07:55 AM	#5
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	I still like the fact that the TCY National Championship game by default plays in Amherst, NH, so it's almost always a snow game in freezing conditions... However, I also think there's an error in the weather algorithms. I play USF (South Florida in Tampa) in my TCY careers, and usually about a third of my home games are played in stormy conditions. While Florida can get a lot of rain, it is not often an all-day rain. Tampa in particular gets lots of blow-through thunderstorms. It looks like whatever data was used to generate the chance of rain / storms / sunny just looked at "did it rain at all on this day?", not the likelihood of rain at a particular time. As a result far more games are played in rainy / stormy conditions in TCY (and presumably FOF) than typically happen in an actual season. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities Last edited by gstelmack : 08-07-2004 at 07:58 AM. Reason: More information

08-07-2004, 08:15 AM	#6
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	How to explain 30 degrees in Miami? Did they suddenly switch to Centigrade? __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

08-07-2004, 08:45 AM	#7
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	The miami team in IHOF was originally in Leesburg, Virginia. The owner of Leesburg (Subby) had to drop out. Sfl_cat took over and was allowed to "move" the team. However, the "move" was purely cosmetic (the city name was changed) but the game still thinks of the team as being in Leesburg. That is how there is a 30 degree game in "Miami". __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

08-07-2004, 07:31 AM	#3
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	Oh, if that's the case, "DUH"! Sigh, I hate domed football stadiums.

08-07-2004, 11:20 AM	#12
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	A couple of things: I lived in Florida from '78 to '96, on the West coast (Venice, then Tampa for college, so in the same area as the USF team plays). Yes, it rained a lot, but typically for short durations. Especially when we first moved, Florida was still in the cycle of "every day between 4 and 5 it would rain for 30 minutes". I know the cycle has broken, but when I left in '96 that area was still only getting all-day showers once or twice a year. How often does it rain at a Bucs' home game? My point was not "it doesn't rain very often" but rather "when it does rain, it's relatively short, so you don't often have football games played in stormy conditions." But in TCY it happens ALL the time. It appears the game goes "what's the chance of rain or a storm today?" rather than "what's the cance of rain or a storm during the game?" I also went to (at the time, believe still accurate) the coldest Buccaneers home game. 28 degrees (or so) against Pittsburgh. Rolling blackouts throughout Tampa due to power consumption trying to heat homes. 30 degrees is not that unheard of, although it's certainly not common. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

08-07-2004, 12:43 PM	#13
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	30 degrees is damn cold for Miami, even in the dead of December and January. I've made several comments about Miami's unusual weather patterns on the IHOF forum. As others have pointed out, it is because the Sharks' Miami city affiliation is actually in name only. At least the crazy weather allows me an excuse for the recent poor performance of my team (7-8 so far -- we've lost our last four games and blew a two game lead in our division). Regarding rain, we generally get rain every day during the summer in South Florida but, as gstelmack has pointed out, it often clouds up, rains buckets for up to one hour or so and then clears off again. This year has been unusually dry for us (I think Texas got all our rain this year), but it's been raining a lot the past couple of weeks.

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