A Great Qoute

[Tom E]

This was said by actor Ron Silver, a Registered Democrat.

"I'm a 9/11 Republican," he said. "If we don't get this right, all the other things don't matter worth a hill of beans. I'll live to fight another day on health care, environmental concerns and sensible gun legislation. But this is such a predominant issue that it towers above all others."

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Tom E

This was said by actor Ron Silver, a Registered Democrat.

"I'm a 9/11 Republican," he said. "If we don't get this right, all the other things don't matter worth a hill of beans. I'll live to fight another day on health care, environmental concerns and sensible gun legislation. But this is such a predominant issue that it towers above all others."

And so far the current administration has just done a bang-up job of it. I feel much safer especially now with that terrorist nation of Iraq and all of its WMDs are out of commission. The world truly is a safer place.

[Raiders Army]

I don't see the qoute. Where is it?

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

And so far the current administration has just done a bang-up job of it. I feel much safer especially now with that terrorist nation of Iraq and all of its WMDs are out of commission. The world truly is a safer place.

I'm assuming this is sarcasm. I really do feel safer, though. It's amazing to me that people are so far off on whether they feel safer today than they did right after 9-11. For all the Bush administration's failings, I have always felt like they were doing a solid job of handling post 9-11 terrorism issues.

[tategter]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

And so far the current administration has just done a bang-up job of it. I feel much safer especially now with that terrorist nation of Iraq and all of its WMDs are out of commission. The world truly is a safer place.

Some people just won't be happy until the US is hit with another major terrorist action. Just the fact that nothing has happened since 9/11 makes me feel safer. The 'current administration' is doing a great job and needs to be voted-in for another term.

[Huckleberry]

So did you feel much safer between the first WTC attack and the second?

I don't feel any safer whatsoever and that has little if anything to do with the Bush administration.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

So did you feel much safer between the first WTC attack and the second?

I don't feel any safer whatsoever and that has little if anything to do with the Bush administration.

I can say that I didn't feel like anything at all was being done between the first WTC attack and the second. After the second, I feel that something has, and that has everything to do with the Bush administration.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I'm assuming this is sarcasm. I really do feel safer, though. It's amazing to me that people are so far off on whether they feel safer today than they did right after 9-11. For all the Bush administration's failings, I have always felt like they were doing a solid job of handling post 9-11 terrorism issues.

The fact that nothing has happened on U.S. is a very good thing and should be lauded. The administration has done a excellent, flawless job at preventing terrorism on U.S. soil. But I am thinking not of today and not just in the U.S. The world is not a safer place. I feel that the war in Iraq will only spawn more anti-Americanism and future terrorists. We may be safer right now, at this moment, but at what cost for the rest of the world and our future?

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

The fact that nothing has happened on U.S. is a very good thing and should be lauded. The administration has done a excellent, flawless job at preventing terrorism on U.S. soil. But I am thinking not of today and not just in the U.S. The world is not a safer place. I feel that the war in Iraq will only spawn more anti-Americanism and future terrorists. We may be safer right now, at this moment, but at what cost for the rest of the world and our future?

Fair enough. I disagree with your assumption about the world not being a safer place, but I certainly see where you're coming from. I would argue that while anti-American sentiment may be high at the moment, the terrorists' formerly unchecked training and recruitment have been choked a bit, and that the world without Mr. Hussein is a much safer place. I can't predict the future of course, but I would say that, in my view, it was worth the cost.

Edited for grammar.

[John Galt]

I feel much safer, but only because I have moved to Iowa. The actions of the Bush administration in terms of Iraq (while ignoring the real problems) have made me feel much more fearful. I think the biggest reason for my fear is that many, many more people have a militant hate of the US than did 10 years ago. I think the US v. THEM world is a very scary place to live in.

[Warhammer]

Give the people of Iraq 5 years of democracy and they will sing our praises. Many times doing the right thing is painful in the short run, it is the long run that matters.

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Give the people of Iraq 5 years of democracy and they will sing our praises. Many times doing the right thing is painful in the short run, it is the long run that matters.

As I have argued for a long time on this board, what makes you think the transition to democracy in Iraq will work? America's history in forced democracy promotion post WWII is horrible. More often than not, the human rights situation and rule of law situations end up being as bad or worse. The belief that you can just "install" a democracy is a bit too simplistic, IMO. Worse still, many of the US led "democracies" have ended up being governments more hostile to the US over the long run.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Give the people of Iraq 5 years of democracy and they will sing our praises. Many times doing the right thing is painful in the short run, it is the long run that matters.

I have my doubts, but I sincerely hope you're right about this.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by tategter

Some people just won't be happy until the US is hit with another major terrorist action. Just the fact that nothing has happened since 9/11 makes me feel safer. The 'current administration' is doing a great job and needs to be voted-in for another term.

Saying that people won't be happy unless there is another major terrorist action is silly.

[KeyserSoze]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Give the people of Iraq 5 years of democracy and they will sing our praises. Many times doing the right thing is painful in the short run, it is the long run that matters.

My thoughts:
-Weimar republic (a true democracy) lasted 14 years and left in the power Hitler.
-The tradition of democracy in the islamic countries is well.. you know....
-A democratic goverment in Iraq nowadays will be a religious anti-american goverment. If the US doesnt support this goverment it will lose all the credibility. If they support it, it will be a far worse goverment than Iran goverment.
-The 9/11 terrorist were trained in US.
-Baas goverment (Hussein goverment) was a non-religious dictatorship (just like Gadaffi). Nobody has showed links (as real facts) between them and Al Qaeda. There are more links between Al Qaeda and the Saudi Royal family but well ....Saudis are good, Iraquies are evil.
-Not resolving the Palestine question will give the terrorist more power against US.
-As a matter of fact, a terrorist group will not be finished until they lost all the support of the common people. No matter how much do you spend. The terrorist live of draining the enemies resources (read about Che Guevara and Vo Nguyen Giap).Look Cuba, look Vietnam, Look the US revolution. How much US soldiers have died againts regular forces? and against terrorist? How much would make the president retire the forces?
-The world is not a safer place to live since the US goverments (and europeans too) are repeating the mistakes of the WWI. Hurt the losers (in these case all the muslim world) but not changing all their whole status.

Just my opinions

[Tom E]

Originally Posted by KeyserSoze

My thoughts:
-Weimar republic (a true democracy) lasted 14 years and left in the power Hitler.
-The tradition of democracy in the islamic countries is well.. you know....
-A democratic goverment in Iraq nowadays will be a religious anti-american goverment. If the US doesnt support this goverment it will lose all the credibility. If they support it, it will be a far worse goverment than Iran goverment.
-The 9/11 terrorist were trained in US.
-Baas goverment (Hussein goverment) was a non-religious dictatorship (just like Gadaffi). Nobody has showed links (as real facts) between them and Al Qaeda. There are more links between Al Qaeda and the Saudi Royal family but well ....Saudis are good, Iraquies are evil.
-Not resolving the Palestine question will give the terrorist more power against US.
-As a matter of fact, a terrorist group will not be finished until they lost all the support of the common people. No matter how much do you spend. The terrorist live of draining the enemies resources (read about Che Guevara and Vo Nguyen Giap).Look Cuba, look Vietnam, Look the US revolution. How much US soldiers have died againts regular forces? and against terrorist? How much would make the president retire the forces?
-The world is not a safer place to live since the US goverments (and europeans too) are repeating the mistakes of the WWI. Hurt the losers (in these case all the muslim world) but not changing all their whole status.

Just my opinions

While I disagree with some of your points, thank you for posting a thought out response...

[KeyserSoze]

Originally Posted by Tom E

While I disagree with some of your points, thank you for posting a thought out response...

Well. Thank you. One of my deepest opinions is that the capaity of disagree is the biggest strenght of democracy. It allows us to think things that we would not thought alone. It allows us change opinion. It makes that any decision has to be reasoned and would be analyzed and judged after. And at the end it will be the last reason that will allow the democratic countries prevail. It is my thought and my deepest believe.
Thank you all for allow everyone disagree without flaming

Well I post one of my favourites quotes. It´s of Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I hope I am wrong but normally the only true road to democracy comes from revolution from within not from the outside.