I Can't Stand Green Day, But...

[Ksyrup]

...this is absolutely brilliant!



Green Day have come up with a clever way of making a few bucks from people who download and burn their friends discs. They are the first band to offer their own branded CD-Rs.

Green Day fans can purchase the pack of five CD-Rs from their website.

Each disc features artwork from the albums 'Dookie', 'Nimrod', 'Warning' and the new album 'American Idiot'.

Green Day are promoting fans who have their albums can make their own compilations on the discs.

The Green Day CD-Rs sell for $US7.99.


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[Joe]

they suck

[Ksyrup]

Yes, they do. But that's smart business.

[Joe]

yeah, they had to come up with something since nobody will buy their CDs

[Ksyrup]

But people apparently still want their music, no?

[rkmsuf]

[DaddyTorgo]

HEYYYYYYYY...enough with the Green Day bashing! Given, they're not the Riverdales, or Screeching Weasel, but during middle school through to high school I'd live and die by Green Day. In fact, for that 5-6 year period I think that Green Day CD's occupied all the slots in my 3-disc changer about 90% of the time. Saw them a couple years back in Lowell, MA with the Living End on their Nimrod tour (or was it their Warning tour?) and they made it a "old-school" show and played all their old stuff, and they still tore the place up. And now they're coming back October 28th, guess who'll be there, reliving his youth!

[Joe Canadian]

I haven't really liked Green Day since "Dookie" was released, but their new single should be mandatory listening material for all North Americans (it could easily be called 'North American Idiot').

[Ksyrup]

Sorry, but nothing from Green Day is mandatory listening. They suck.

[rkmsuf]

[DaddyTorgo]

feel the hatred!!! Well...being in the Bay Area in 90-93 they were pretty much...inescapeable. They were everywhere. 39/Smooth and Kerplunk are still two of my favorite albums of all time. They're hella better than OutKast, that's for sure! Like I said, not as sweet as the Riverdales or Screeching Weasel in terms of "street-cred" anymore, but I really can't think of a song of theirs that I don't like. And Lookout Records definately has street "cred" although I will agree that it's unfortunate that, to some extent, Green Day "sold out" after Dookie. But their best stuff is on 39/Smooth and Kerplunk anyways (particularly Kerplunk). I will admit, even as a diehard Green Day fan, they really peaked with Dookie and Insomniac. Nimrod was rather weak (I never really listen to much off of it), and Warning I thought was simply...alright. International Superhits and Shenanigans don't really count in my book as "albums" because superhits is blah, and basically all of the stuff on Shenanigans is familiar to fans from shows and singles. And as for American Idiot...well, the jury is still out. I'm cautiously optomistic.

[Ksyrup]

Just my opinion, of course. I'm no fan of punk as it is, but their brand of punk just makes my skin crawl. And that stupid fake British accent thing he does (or used to do, I've been lucky enough not to hear a single song of theirs since Dookie (appropriately named, btw))...blech.

[MikeVic]

Wow. Why do so many people hate Green Day? They had a few good songs.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'll give you that the fake-british-accent thing is ridiculous Ksyrup. But most of the time it fades out anyway and/or I just totally don't even hear it anymore.

[Ksyrup]

I didn't mean for this thread to be a discussion of how good or bad GD was, anyway. I just thought this marketing idea was brilliant, as it capitalizes on people who download/burn their CDs, and who don't want to go through the trouble of copying labels, etc., but want to look like they've got a legit copy.

[DaddyTorgo]

And I do agree with you there. It is a great way for them to reach out to a whole segment of their fans, as well as (I imagine) maintain a greater share of the profits for themselves. Maybe what we're seeing here is the future of the music industry as CD-making becomes cheaper and cheaper. Bands and artists going studio-free and either burning themselves or hiring a "friend" to burn CD's for their customers? To take it out of the hands of the studios and get more money to the artists?

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

HEYYYYYYYY...enough with the Green Day bashing! Given, they're not the Riverdales, or Screeching Weasel, but during middle school through to high school I'd live and die by Green Day. In fact, for that 5-6 year period I think that Green Day CD's occupied all the slots in my 3-disc changer about 90% of the time. Saw them a couple years back in Lowell, MA with the Living End on their Nimrod tour (or was it their Warning tour?) and they made it a "old-school" show and played all their old stuff, and they still tore the place up. And now they're coming back October 28th, guess who'll be there, reliving his youth!

Greed Day is a great live band!

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I'll give you that the fake-british-accent thing is ridiculous Ksyrup. But most of the time it fades out anyway and/or I just totally don't even hear it anymore.

Like I said, you can throw out virtually any punk band, and I'll turn my nose up at it. Just not my cup o' tea. ANd seeing as how they were the face of pop/punk years ago, they bore the brunt of my displeasure. That's the price for being famous, I guess.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

And I do agree with you there. It is a great way for them to reach out to a whole segment of their fans, as well as (I imagine) maintain a greater share of the profits for themselves. Maybe what we're seeing here is the future of the music industry as CD-making becomes cheaper and cheaper. Bands and artists going studio-free and either burning themselves or hiring a "friend" to burn CD's for their customers? To take it out of the hands of the studios and get more money to the artists?

The only thing is...and I'm just speaking on an indie level...most bands don't have the capital to do something like this (let alone let people know they're doing it). Only the big established bands can do it. And how did Green Day get big, mind you? Bigggg label push (i.e. millions of label dollars that went into advertising).

So while it sounds good on the surface, and it's a great idea (the CD's, that is), I think only the bigger acts can pull it off right now. Smart, though.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. I can understand that Ksyrup. Much like me and rap music I'd imagine. The people who bear the brunt of my displeasure aren't necessarily any better or worse. They're just the "face" of it (50 cent and such).


As for Green Day live, I'd put them right up there at the top of the list of bands I've seen live. Maybe not as mind-blowingly awesome as Counting Crows (IMHO the best live show right now) or as chillingly "in-the-presence-of-greatness" as seeing Clapton and BB King a couple years back, but definately 3rd on the list.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

And I do agree with you there. It is a great way for them to reach out to a whole segment of their fans, as well as (I imagine) maintain a greater share of the profits for themselves. Maybe what we're seeing here is the future of the music industry as CD-making becomes cheaper and cheaper. Bands and artists going studio-free and either burning themselves or hiring a "friend" to burn CD's for their customers? To take it out of the hands of the studios and get more money to the artists?

Artists like VAST, David Ryan Harris, and Ben Folds are releasing albums/EPs on their own online for download and/or through small labels. Not only does that allow them to get music out quicker, but it seems to provide them with more money out of the deal. The trade-off, I assume, is exposure. But for someone like Ben Folds, who has a nice-size fan base, being able to cut 3 EPs and release them all in the past 6 months or so, at $6 a pop, has got to be worthwhile.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

The only thing is...and I'm just speaking on an indie level...most bands don't have the capital to do something like this. Only the big established bands can do it. And how did Green Day get big, mind you? Bigggg label push (i.e. millions of label dollars that went into advertising).

So while it sounds good on the surface, and it's a great idea (the CD's, that is), I think only the bigger acts can pull it off right now. Smart, though.

And that may be the only place it's viable. What if Metallica issued CD-Rs for all of their albums, instead of becming the public face for the anti-Napster crowd? These guys (or whoever came up with the idea for them) are thinking out of the box, and I applaud them for it. It'l'l be interesting to see if (a) they sell; and (b) anyone else tries it.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

And that may be the only place it's viable. What if Metallica issued CD-Rs for all of their albums, instead of becming the public face for the anti-Napster crowd? These guys (or whoever came up with the idea for them) are thinking out of the box, and I applaud them for it. It'l'l be interesting to see if (a) they sell; and (b) anyone else tries it.

Yeah! I think that this is really cool, but my only question against long-term viability is the fact that to get big, you need help from a label. The artists who get broken w/o a heavy label investment are few and far between (sad to say). Labels won't be too happy when stuff like this happens, I'm sure.

Either way, it's an awesome idea...I hope stuff like this continues.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Artists like VAST, David Ryan Harris, and Ben Folds are releasing albums/EPs on their own online for download and/or through small labels. Not only does that allow them to get music out quicker, but it seems to provide them with more money out of the deal. The trade-off, I assume, is exposure. But for someone like Ben Folds, who has a nice-size fan base, being able to cut 3 EPs and release them all in the past 6 months or so, at $6 a pop, has got to be worthwhile.

Yeah, that is awesome, and you can't really beat the price. Not to mention that the label putting it out (who is putting it out) probably doesn't mind making $3 a CD just because of the exposure they'll receive.

I do have a question though...where is Ben Folds recording? Home studio? Can you give me some links about this whole thing? TIA

[rkmsuf]

I don't think they are going to sell squat.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

I do have a question though...where is Ben Folds recording? Home studio? Can you give me some links about this whole thing? TIA

http://www.attackedbyplastic.com/

Also on iTunes.

[Ksyrup]

BTW, his version of Get Your Hands Off My Woman is better than the original. It has that tongue-in-cheek thing going that the original doesn't - but should.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

I've really only liked to Green Day songs: Time of your life and When I come around.

[kingnebwsu]

I've decided talking about music on this board is about pointless, as the haters love to show their form. Green Day is cool...should I ask how everyone likes Billy Joel?

[Cards4ever]

I can't stand Green Bay either!

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by kingnebwsu

I've decided talking about music on this board is about pointless, as the haters love to show their form. Green Day is cool...should I ask how everyone likes Billy Joel?

Who appointed you king of cool?

[kingnebwsu]

I'm captain cool in my own mind.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by kingnebwsu

I'm captain cool in my own mind.

"Captain Jack" Cool?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by kingnebwsu

I've decided talking about music on this board is about pointless, as the haters love to show their form. Green Day is cool...should I ask how everyone likes Billy Joel?

Sorry. I tried to steer away from that and just talk about the topic I really wanted to talk about, but my level of embarrassment over possibly being associated as a fan of theirs was such that I had to preface the real point of my post with the disclaimer in the title.

Because really, I can't stand Green Day.

Plus, why else talk about music? Informing people about groups is one thing, but after that, who wants to just sit around and give each other virtual handjobs for all being fans of a band? This board wouldn't be as, uh, "lively" if it was all Bush or Kerry supporters. Criticism is fun.

[kingnebwsu]

No...YOU're fun!

I got nothing.

[Sharpieman]

the album dookie ruled. I really haven't listened to them ever since

[MJ4H]

BILLY JOEL PWNZ

[Buddy Grant]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Like I said, you can throw out virtually any punk band, and I'll turn my nose up at it. Just not my cup o' tea.

So you think their musical genre sucks, and therefore they must suck. That makes things much more simple: Ludwig van Beethoven's music might be brilliant, but it sucks.

[Cringer]

Originally Posted by Buddy Grant

So you think their musical genre sucks, and therefore they must suck. That makes things much more simple: Ludwig van Beethoven's music might be brilliant, but it sucks.

Makes sense to me. I'm into punk, not too much into the classic country, so to me George Jones blows. Seems somewhat fair to me....

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Buddy Grant

So you think their musical genre sucks, and therefore they must suck. That makes things much more simple: Ludwig van Beethoven's music might be brilliant, but it sucks.

I can respect what the Sex Pistols brought to music, even if I don't like listening to them. I can't say the same for Green Day and Blink 182.