The Presidential Debate

kingfc22 · 09-30-2004, 07:58 PM

It's about to start in a couple of minutes.

Discuss.

Mac Howard · 09-30-2004, 08:01 PM

Through the miracles of modern technology I'm watching it here in Australia

JonInMiddleGA · 09-30-2004, 08:03 PM

Let's see here ... my son has to do his 15-minutes-of-reading homework in a few minutes & then I suspect I'll probably go to bed at the same time he does tonight, since we're off to WDW for vacation starting tomorrow afternoon & that's a pretty tiring week by the time we're done, I figure I better get some sleep while I can.

But we'll be reading Duck For President, so that oughta count for something.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:06 PM

what happened to the "not speaking, not on camera" rule? Bush was just on camera as Kerry was talking...

Peregrine · 09-30-2004, 08:07 PM

Chubby, the networks didn't agree to that rule.

mauchow · 09-30-2004, 08:08 PM

Of course the first thing he says is about September 11th. How many speeches has he not started off with something like that?

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Chubby, the networks didn't agree to that rule.

Ahh, that's why.

Bush not answering the question. Exxxxxxxxxxcellent.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:10 PM

Did you know that 10 million citizens of Afganistan have registered to vote? Too bad it still has nothing to do with the "Will the election of Kerry lead to another terrorist attack" question.

mauchow · 09-30-2004, 08:10 PM

Kerry WILL kill the terrorists. LOL that sounded bad.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Kerry WILL kill the terrorists. LOL that sounded bad.

Yeah, that wasn't good but I like him hammering on how we have put Osama and Afghanistan on the back burner for Iraq.

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2004, 08:14 PM

Kerry walked right into that one.

Peregrine · 09-30-2004, 08:14 PM

I think Kerry has already mentioned Osama Bin Laden more in this debate than he was mentioned in the whole Republican convention.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:15 PM

pre-september 10th?

Neuqua · 09-30-2004, 08:15 PM

It was pretty funny to see W. all of a sudden talk as fast as he can as soon as he saw the red light on.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:15 PM

we're facing a............a...................group of folks

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:16 PM

"of course we're after Saddam Hussein... uh Osama Bin Laden"

nice

Peregrine · 09-30-2004, 08:17 PM

well to be fair Kerry made the same mistake a few minutes before

Buccaneer · 09-30-2004, 08:18 PM

Can someone else provide the commentary? Chubby sucks.

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2004, 08:19 PM

ROFLMBAO!!!!! Kerry's slamming Bush for the troops not having enough body armor. Here we gooooo......

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:20 PM

Bush - Kerry is a flipflopper. We should only say hearts and flowers statements to our troops and allies we don't have.

GoldenEagle · 09-30-2004, 08:20 PM

So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq?

Neuqua · 09-30-2004, 08:21 PM

Anyone know exactly what these two are writing down on their little notepads?

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq?

Well, yeah.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq?

He's saying the money we have spent should have been spent more wisely I believe.

GoldenEagle · 09-30-2004, 08:21 PM

You are getting Chubby's liberal twist on everything.

GoldenEagle · 09-30-2004, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

He's saying the money we have spent should have been spent more wisely I believe.

I heard him say we did not have enough troops in Iraq.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

You are getting Chubby's liberal twist on everything.

Someone's got to off-set the vast conservative twist on this board

sabotai · 09-30-2004, 08:22 PM

So far I think Kerry is doing a good job of doing to Bush what Bush did to Dore during their debates. He keeps focusing on how we went after Saddam before we got Osama. And I give credit to Bush, because he used a word I didn't know the meaning to.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I heard him say we did not have enough troops in Iraq.

he said there wasn't enough troops in afghanistan and too many in Iraq.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:23 PM

"Stay on the offense"????????? uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhh. I think that right there is a reason why some people won't vote for him. Bad choice of words IMO.

cthomer5000 · 09-30-2004, 08:23 PM

Kerry is clearly a better 'thinking on his feet' speaker. Bush has stumbled a few times.

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

he said there wasn't enough troops in afghanistan and too many in Iraq.

Are you sure about that? I'd have to see the transcripts to be 100% certain, but I sure thought he was talking about under-funded troops in Iraq.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Kerry is clearly a better 'thinking on his feet' speaker. Bush has stumbled a few times.

That's accurate.

sabotai · 09-30-2004, 08:24 PM

Bush looks pissed off

JeffNights · 09-30-2004, 08:25 PM

I like the slam "he outsourced that job too"

So far, its Kerry up a by a touchdown.

lol

Neuqua · 09-30-2004, 08:25 PM

Bush seems to be getting a bit aggressive.

sabotai · 09-30-2004, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Are you sure about that? I'd have to see the transcripts to be 100% certain, but I sure thought he was talking about under-funded troops in Iraq.

FWIW, I thought he was talking about Afghanistan.

Celeval · 09-30-2004, 08:25 PM

Lehrer: "...when will troops come home?"
Bush: "Let me... uh... let me... uh..." (Let me not answer this question)

timmynausea · 09-30-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

"Stay on the offense"????????? uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhh. I think that right there is a reason why some people won't vote for him. Bad choice of words IMO.

Yeah that seemed pretty horrible to me, too.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Are you sure about that? I'd have to see the transcripts to be 100% certain, but I sure thought he was talking about under-funded troops in Iraq.

How I took it is that he said troops were diverted to Iraq when they were needed in Afghanistan. The whole "body armor" thing was more about money not being spent wisely than needing more money (also about not being prepared) but I think it's very open to interpretation.

Ironhead · 09-30-2004, 08:27 PM

How many times has Bush mentioned that he has "good folks working hard" for us?

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:27 PM

Not taking political slants into account, I think Kerry had an advantage coming in, in that he is a better speaker on his feet as cthomer pointed out. It has nothing to do with what they speak about but in their delivery.

sabotai · 09-30-2004, 08:29 PM

I think both are trying too hard to land that one-liner that the news will repeatedly play.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:29 PM

Kerry gets a laugh about changing the rules while Bush goes on about Kerry talking negative about the war.

Peregrine · 09-30-2004, 08:30 PM

Yeah Sabotai both are using that rebuttal period to land those sound-bite jabs. We'll see how that works out.

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2004, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

I think both are trying too hard to land that one-liner that the news will repeatedly play.

Most definitely.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:32 PM

The one liner has proved very profitable in previous debates so you can't blame either for trying.

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2004, 08:32 PM

This is a battle of philosophies, ultimately.

Chubby · 09-30-2004, 08:33 PM

Point to Bush for the Blair comment but Poland???? lol

GoldenEagle · 09-30-2004, 08:33 PM

Everything is Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. That is all Kerry has on Bush. Bush is doing a pretty good job of turning it around on him.

09-30-2004, 08:01 PM	#2
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	Through the miracles of modern technology I'm watching it here in Australia __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise

09-30-2004, 08:03 PM	#3
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Let's see here ... my son has to do his 15-minutes-of-reading homework in a few minutes & then I suspect I'll probably go to bed at the same time he does tonight, since we're off to WDW for vacation starting tomorrow afternoon & that's a pretty tiring week by the time we're done, I figure I better get some sleep while I can. But we'll be reading Duck For President, so that oughta count for something. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-30-2004, 08:14 PM	#11
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Kerry walked right into that one. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-30-2004, 08:15 PM	#14
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	It was pretty funny to see W. all of a sudden talk as fast as he can as soon as he saw the red light on. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

09-30-2004, 08:19 PM	#19
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	ROFLMBAO!!!!! Kerry's slamming Bush for the troops not having enough body armor. Here we gooooo...... __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'! Last edited by Ben E Lou : 09-30-2004 at 08:19 PM.

09-30-2004, 08:06 PM	#4
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	what happened to the "not speaking, not on camera" rule? Bush was just on camera as Kerry was talking...

09-30-2004, 08:07 PM	#5
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Chubby, the networks didn't agree to that rule.

09-30-2004, 08:08 PM	#6
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Of course the first thing he says is about September 11th. How many speeches has he not started off with something like that?

09-30-2004, 08:10 PM	#8
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Did you know that 10 million citizens of Afganistan have registered to vote? Too bad it still has nothing to do with the "Will the election of Kerry lead to another terrorist attack" question.

09-30-2004, 08:16 PM	#16
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	"of course we're after Saddam Hussein... uh Osama Bin Laden" nice

09-30-2004, 08:17 PM	#17
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	well to be fair Kerry made the same mistake a few minutes before

09-30-2004, 08:18 PM	#18
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Can someone else provide the commentary? Chubby sucks.

09-30-2004, 08:20 PM	#20
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Bush - Kerry is a flipflopper. We should only say hearts and flowers statements to our troops and allies we don't have.

09-30-2004, 08:20 PM	#21
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq? __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-30-2004, 08:21 PM	#22
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Anyone know exactly what these two are writing down on their little notepads? __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

09-30-2004, 08:22 PM	#28
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	So far I think Kerry is doing a good job of doing to Bush what Bush did to Dore during their debates. He keeps focusing on how we went after Saddam before we got Osama. And I give credit to Bush, because he used a word I didn't know the meaning to.

09-30-2004, 08:23 PM	#30
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	"Stay on the offense"????????? uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhh. I think that right there is a reason why some people won't vote for him. Bad choice of words IMO.

09-30-2004, 08:24 PM	#34
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Bush looks pissed off

09-30-2004, 08:25 PM	#35
JeffNights College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan	I like the slam "he outsourced that job too" So far, its Kerry up a by a touchdown. lol

09-30-2004, 08:25 PM	#38
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Lehrer: "...when will troops come home?" Bush: "Let me... uh... let me... uh..." (Let me not answer this question)

09-30-2004, 08:27 PM	#41
Ironhead College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Jersey	How many times has Bush mentioned that he has "good folks working hard" for us?

09-30-2004, 08:29 PM	#43
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I think both are trying too hard to land that one-liner that the news will repeatedly play.

09-30-2004, 08:30 PM	#45
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Yeah Sabotai both are using that rebuttal period to land those sound-bite jabs. We'll see how that works out.

09-30-2004, 08:32 PM	#47
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	The one liner has proved very profitable in previous debates so you can't blame either for trying.

09-30-2004, 08:33 PM	#49
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Point to Bush for the Blair comment but Poland???? lol

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