Why am I still hearing about.....

miami_fan · 11-04-2004, 06:30 PM

Terrell Owens and his dance against Baltimore STILL on Thursday? The media complains that TO is doing these things to draw attention to himself. What do they do then? They ask every player in the NFL to comment about TO?

Mini rant over

Noop · 11-04-2004, 06:41 PM

People just hate him cause he knows he is the best and is not afraid to tell anyone about it.

TargetPractice6 · 11-04-2004, 06:44 PM

Err... Terrell Owens is not the best by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, people don't like others with no humility. Not hard to understand why.

Noop · 11-04-2004, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Err... Terrell Owens is not the best by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, people don't like others with no humility. Not hard to understand why.

Who is better? Randy Moss? Please that dude doesn't even give the effort T.O. does...

sabotai · 11-04-2004, 06:47 PM

There's a difference between being confident in your ability and being an arrogent jackass. TO is the second one.

TargetPractice6 · 11-04-2004, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Who is better? Randy Moss? Please that dude doesn't even give the effort T.O. does...

Randy Moss is better than Owens even without giving the same effort.

Noop · 11-04-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

There's a difference between being confident in your ability and being an arrogent jackass. TO is the second one.

Haha. T.O. backs up what he talks... if he was a bad player he would be gone but he is not and he gets paid the big bucks.

Noop · 11-04-2004, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Randy Moss is better than Owens even without giving the same effort.

I dunno they way he is playing this season me thinks T.O. is the best...

DeToxRox · 11-04-2004, 07:48 PM

Just wait until Roy Williams really developes. He plays the right away, every down. Can't beat that.

The_herd · 11-04-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I dunno they way he is playing this season me thinks T.O. is the best...

Any team in the league would rather face T.O. than Moss.

Noop · 11-04-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The_herd

Any team in the league would rather face T.O. than Moss.

Do you play for those teams?

TroyF · 11-04-2004, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Who is better? Randy Moss? Please that dude doesn't even give the effort T.O. does...

I thought the same way a few years ago. Moss has improved his game tenfold sinse then. He does give better effort and he's a better WR. Better hands, MUCH better hands.

And yes, teams definately would rather face Moss over TO. TO doesn't have the leaping ability or the pure speed of Randy. Watch a Vikings game sometime, forget double teaming Moss, most teams triple team him for a lot of the game.

He's simply the best WR in the league right now. TO has had an incredible start to the season. He's a terrific player. But Moss is better. Sorry.

The_herd · 11-04-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Do you play for those teams?

The only thing you've stated that makes Owens better is effort and Moss' lack of effort was exagerated some and is its not even an issue anymore. Moss will often draw a corner, a safety, and the other safety will shade his way in case he goes deep. And he still runs by all of them. Moss' hands are better than Owens', not even close there. Route running is roughly the same. Neither outstanding, but both solid.

In what area is T.O. better?

Draft Dodger · 11-04-2004, 08:55 PM

Moss is better than TO by a wide, wide margin.

duckman · 11-04-2004, 09:08 PM

I've learned one thing when it comes to Moss and that is not to piss the man off. The man went nuts on the Cowboys corners after Newsome decided to talk shit to him.

mckerney · 11-04-2004, 09:12 PM

As Moss said, no one sees the coverages that he does. Before Moss got injured, Culpepper usually had no problem finding an open reciever because the coverage was so slanted towards Moss they couldn't cover everyone. In the last two games when he's hardley played it hasn't been nearly that easy.

Glengoyne · 11-05-2004, 04:07 AM

I think I side with Noop on this one. I think Moss could and should be the better receiver. I think he has more talent than T.O., but I don't think he performs as well as T.O. on the field. On a given play I'd rather have Moss on the field. He gets the edge because he dominates when he puts his mind to it. If it comes down to who I want playing for me for an entire season, I'd say T.O.

Tekneek · 11-05-2004, 05:08 AM

Who cares about his dance anyway? Ray Lewis? If you don't want him doing some kinda crazy dance, or doing YOUR dance (copyright the damn thing if it is YOUR dance), then keep him from touching the ball. If you're going to let the guy make plays, you get what you get. It's a funny story, but a Sunday story...not a week-long story.

Ragone · 11-05-2004, 06:08 AM

What i found funny was Ray Lewis's response "he shouldn't be dancing out there after one play"

Yet old ray lewis likes to do his freaking dance after making a simple tackle in the 2nd quarter of a game?

Pot.. Kettle.. Black

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 07:08 AM

I really don't get the big deal here. I thought it was funny the way he did the Ray dance. I kind of side with TO here...it's only entertainment people. Lewis is just a big baby and hypocrite unless this whole thing is just designed to stir the pop for us. I can totally see them getting together after and concocting some sort of story line.

PghSteelerFan · 11-05-2004, 08:15 AM

Actually, Hines Ward has better stats than either Moss or T.O. according to NFL.com. If you don't watch Steeler games on a regular basis, you have no idea how good Ward is.

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PghSteelerFan

Actually, Hines Ward has better stats than either Moss or T.O. according to NFL.com. If you don't watch Steeler games on a regular basis, you have no idea how good Ward is.

He is very good but not the player TO or Moss is.

Ward is great because he is a fantastic blocker and never drops a pass. He lacks the gamebreaking ability of TO or Moss.

BucDawg40 · 11-05-2004, 08:28 AM

I'm just hoping that Ray Lewis stabs Terrell Owens. That might make the NFL watchable again.

GrantDawg · 11-05-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

He is very good but not the player TO or Moss is.

Ward is great because he is a fantastic blocker and never drops a pass. He lacks the gamebreaking ability of TO or Moss.

Hines has less physical talent, but 100X more heart than either.

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Hines has less physical talent, but 100X more heart than either.

not sure how you measure that. there's no denying the production you get from TO or Moss no matter what you think of the man himself.

no knock in Hines, he's a fine player, but the physical skill is the differentiating factor.

The_herd · 11-05-2004, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I think I side with Noop on this one. I think Moss could and should be the better receiver. I think he has more talent than T.O., but I don't think he performs as well as T.O. on the field. On a given play I'd rather have Moss on the field. He gets the edge because he dominates when he puts his mind to it. If it comes down to who I want playing for me for an entire season, I'd say T.O.

1,000 yard seasons- Moss 6, Owens 5
100 catch seasons- Moss 2, Owens 1
10+ TD seasons- Moss 5, Owens 4
Seasons Played- Moss 6, Owens 8

and T.O. outperforms Moss on the field?

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 12:46 PM

I think TO and Moss are neck and neck.

Radii · 11-05-2004, 12:49 PM

All of this was ho-hum until TO brought up the Murder rap for Lewis in a press conference. Now it's escalated into quality entertainment.

Radii · 11-05-2004, 12:50 PM

dola, I think Moss is probably the best but Marvin Harrison is still my favorite.

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 12:51 PM

I love that TO said that.

Noop · 11-05-2004, 12:56 PM

I like Randy Moss but T.O. never had a QB like McNabb... now that he does he is outshining Moss in stats.

The_herd · 11-05-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I like Randy Moss but T.O. never had a QB like McNabb... now that he does he is outshining Moss in stats.

Moss never hasn't had a good receiver lining up opposite him since Carter retired. Combine decent receivers opposite Moss and a partially torn hammy and T.O. stats are going to look better than Moss'.

Jeff Garcia wasn't exactly a bad QB. His career numbers number are better than McNabb's and they entered the league the same year. I'm not saying he's better than McNabb, but he's not a bad QB either and I wouldn't say T.O.'s numbers suffered because of him.

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 01:06 PM

Don't forget that TO didn't step in right away. He took a little longer to develop.

Moss was a freak right out of school.

Today, no matter what transpired previously, they are of very similar skill level.

TO is more physical but Moss has better hands.

Desnudo · 11-05-2004, 01:06 PM

I think if you lined up a draft today with Moss and Owens in it there's no question who would be number one. Everyone in the league, including the Eagles would draft Moss first without question.

bdem · 11-05-2004, 01:41 PM

Moss didn't have a decent receiver line up with him since Carter?

Who does TO have in Philly? Who did he have in SF

Moss had Culpepper throwing to him for how many years?

TO had Garcia

All this crap about him being a jack*** is insane, he never had any off the field incident so the guy is entertaining the masses.

If the networks don't like what he is doing then stop showing it.
If the players don't like what he's doing than stop him from scoring.
If the fans from other teams don't like it, tough S**t.

Eagles 16-0 baby

Raiders Army · 11-05-2004, 01:47 PM

Santana Moss is definitely not better than Terrell Owens. Even though I think that Chad Pennington is better than Donovan McNabb. You guys are smoking crack.

Raiders Army · 11-05-2004, 01:47 PM

Wait, you guys meant Randy Moss. You're right, he is better than TO. On Madden Randy is rated 99.

MikeVic · 11-05-2004, 02:03 PM

Ward!! Well, I like him better at least. But in terms of which WR I'd rather have on a team out of Moss/Owens, it would be Moss.

The_herd · 11-05-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bdem

Moss didn't have a decent receiver line up with him since Carter?

Who does TO have in Philly? Who did he have in SF

All this crap about him being a jack*** is insane, he never had any off the field incident so the guy is entertaining the masses.

And Moss had better numbers than T.O. when he was in San Fran. And as I said, now that Moss has a partially torn hammy and receivers on the opposite side his numbers are down a bit.

You don't need off the field incidents to be jackass. There many ways to accomplish this and T.O. covers a lot of them.

Bringing up the the murder charge is entertaining the masses?

Noop · 11-05-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The_herd

And Moss had better numbers than T.O. when he was in San Fran. And as I said, now that Moss has a partially torn hammy and receivers on the opposite side his numbers are down a bit.

You don't need off the field incidents to be jackass. There many ways to accomplish this and T.O. covers a lot of them.

Bringing up the the murder charge is entertaining the masses?

You know at first I didn't get why you kept defending Moss but now I know... your a Marshall fan... not that it means anything just something I noticed. Here is a tidbit Moss was suppose to go to Notre Dame but couldn't get in or wasnt allowed in so he went to Florida State where he was forced to redshirt but screw up and got kicked out of school.

rkmsuf · 11-05-2004, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

You know at first I didn't get why you kept defending Moss but now I know... your a Marshall fan... not that it means anything just something I noticed. Here is a tidbit Moss was suppose to go to Notre Dame but couldn't get in or wasnt allowed in so he went to Florida State where he was forced to redshirt but screw up and got kicked out of school.

So? That's pretty much public knowledge. Has nothing to do with the players we see today on the field.

The_herd · 11-05-2004, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

You know at first I didn't get why you kept defending Moss but now I know... your a Marshall fan... not that it means anything just something I noticed. Here is a tidbit Moss was suppose to go to Notre Dame but couldn't get in or wasnt allowed in so he went to Florida State where he was forced to redshirt but screw up and got kicked out of school.

Notre Dame released him from his scholarship because he beat the hell of some guy at Dupont HS for a racial slur. He was put on probation and then pissed hot while at FSU and Bowden let him go (I'm shocked that's all it took at FSU). Then he chose Marshall over WVU because, "WVU doesn't win big games".

mckerney · 11-05-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I like Randy Moss but T.O. never had a QB like McNabb

Yet Moss put up better number then TO with Brad Johnson, a washed up Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Gus Frerotte, and Dante Culpepper.

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Originally Posted by Noop

... now that ~~he does~~ Moss is injured he is outshining Moss in stats.

Fixed it for you.

Noop · 11-05-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Yet Moss put up better number then TO with Brad Johnson, a washed up Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Gus Frerotte, and Dante Culpepper.

Fixed it for you.

Right. Jeff Garcia is better then those players mentioned...

Also before he was injured T.O. had better numbers.

mckerney · 11-05-2004, 10:43 PM

Jeff Garcia's numbers in San Fran:

Code:

Year  Cmp  Att Pct Yards  Avg. TD INT
1999  255  375 60%  2544  6.8  11  11
2000  355  561 63%  4278  7.6  31  10
2001  316  504 63%  3538  7.0  32  12
2002  328  528 62%  3344  6.3  21  10
2003  225  392 57%  2704  6.9  18  13
Tot. 1449 2360 62% 16408  7.0 113  56

Wow, I really didn't understand until now how rough it was for T.O. to play with Garcia at QB. He would have done much better with Cunningham and George, two guys no one was interested in giving a full time starting job after leaving Minnesota, or Frerotte who was forced to take a backup position in Minnesota when he couldn't find a starting job anywhere.

And Moss and Owens through 6 games:

Code:

       Ctch  Yards TD
Moss    26   394   8
Owens   30   487   6

Close overall, though Owens wouldn't have put up numbers like that if he saw the same kind of defensive coverages as Moss.

sterlingice · 11-06-2004, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Do you play for those teams?

And now for the classic "do you?" response.

SI

Noop · 11-06-2004, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

And now for the classic "do you?" response.

SI

I wasnt the one saying that, what is the proof of his statement... ease off em...

11-04-2004, 06:41 PM	#2
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	People just hate him cause he knows he is the best and is not afraid to tell anyone about it. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

11-04-2004, 08:55 PM	#14
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	Moss is better than TO by a wide, wide margin. __________________ Mile High Hockey

11-05-2004, 07:08 AM	#20
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I really don't get the big deal here. I thought it was funny the way he did the Ray dance. I kind of side with TO here...it's only entertainment people. Lewis is just a big baby and hypocrite unless this whole thing is just designed to stir the pop for us. I can totally see them getting together after and concocting some sort of story line. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

11-05-2004, 12:46 PM	#27
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I think TO and Moss are neck and neck. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

11-05-2004, 12:51 PM	#30
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I love that TO said that. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

11-04-2004, 06:44 PM	#3
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Err... Terrell Owens is not the best by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, people don't like others with no humility. Not hard to understand why.

11-04-2004, 06:47 PM	#5
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	There's a difference between being confident in your ability and being an arrogent jackass. TO is the second one.

11-04-2004, 07:48 PM	#9
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Just wait until Roy Williams really developes. He plays the right away, every down. Can't beat that.

11-04-2004, 09:12 PM	#16
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	As Moss said, no one sees the coverages that he does. Before Moss got injured, Culpepper usually had no problem finding an open reciever because the coverage was so slanted towards Moss they couldn't cover everyone. In the last two games when he's hardley played it hasn't been nearly that easy.

11-05-2004, 04:07 AM	#17
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I think I side with Noop on this one. I think Moss could and should be the better receiver. I think he has more talent than T.O., but I don't think he performs as well as T.O. on the field. On a given play I'd rather have Moss on the field. He gets the edge because he dominates when he puts his mind to it. If it comes down to who I want playing for me for an entire season, I'd say T.O.

11-05-2004, 05:08 AM	#18
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	Who cares about his dance anyway? Ray Lewis? If you don't want him doing some kinda crazy dance, or doing YOUR dance (copyright the damn thing if it is YOUR dance), then keep him from touching the ball. If you're going to let the guy make plays, you get what you get. It's a funny story, but a Sunday story...not a week-long story.

11-05-2004, 06:08 AM	#19
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	What i found funny was Ray Lewis's response "he shouldn't be dancing out there after one play" Yet old ray lewis likes to do his freaking dance after making a simple tackle in the 2nd quarter of a game? Pot.. Kettle.. Black

11-05-2004, 08:15 AM	#21
PghSteelerFan n00b Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canonsburg, PA	Actually, Hines Ward has better stats than either Moss or T.O. according to NFL.com. If you don't watch Steeler games on a regular basis, you have no idea how good Ward is.

11-05-2004, 08:28 AM	#23
BucDawg40 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I'm just hoping that Ray Lewis stabs Terrell Owens. That might make the NFL watchable again.

11-05-2004, 12:49 PM	#28
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	All of this was ho-hum until TO brought up the Murder rap for Lewis in a press conference. Now it's escalated into quality entertainment.

11-05-2004, 12:50 PM	#29
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	dola, I think Moss is probably the best but Marvin Harrison is still my favorite.

11-05-2004, 12:56 PM	#31
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	I like Randy Moss but T.O. never had a QB like McNabb... now that he does he is outshining Moss in stats. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

11-05-2004, 01:06 PM	#33
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Don't forget that TO didn't step in right away. He took a little longer to develop. Moss was a freak right out of school. Today, no matter what transpired previously, they are of very similar skill level. TO is more physical but Moss has better hands. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

11-05-2004, 01:06 PM	#34
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I think if you lined up a draft today with Moss and Owens in it there's no question who would be number one. Everyone in the league, including the Eagles would draft Moss first without question.

11-05-2004, 01:41 PM	#35
bdem n00b Join Date: Sep 2002	T.O. Moss didn't have a decent receiver line up with him since Carter? Who does TO have in Philly? Who did he have in SF Moss had Culpepper throwing to him for how many years? TO had Garcia All this crap about him being a jack* is insane, he never had any off the field incident so the guy is entertaining the masses. If the networks don't like what he is doing then stop showing it. If the players don't like what he's doing than stop him from scoring. If the fans from other teams don't like it, tough St. Eagles 16-0 baby

11-05-2004, 01:47 PM	#36
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Santana Moss is definitely not better than Terrell Owens. Even though I think that Chad Pennington is better than Donovan McNabb. You guys are smoking crack.

11-05-2004, 02:03 PM	#38
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Ward!! Well, I like him better at least. But in terms of which WR I'd rather have on a team out of Moss/Owens, it would be Moss. Last edited by MikeVic : 11-05-2004 at 02:03 PM.

11-05-2004, 10:43 PM	#45
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Jeff Garcia's numbers in San Fran: Code: Year Cmp Att Pct Yards Avg. TD INT 1999 255 375 60% 2544 6.8 11 11 2000 355 561 63% 4278 7.6 31 10 2001 316 504 63% 3538 7.0 32 12 2002 328 528 62% 3344 6.3 21 10 2003 225 392 57% 2704 6.9 18 13 Tot. 1449 2360 62% 16408 7.0 113 56 Wow, I really didn't understand until now how rough it was for T.O. to play with Garcia at QB. He would have done much better with Cunningham and George, two guys no one was interested in giving a full time starting job after leaving Minnesota, or Frerotte who was forced to take a backup position in Minnesota when he couldn't find a starting job anywhere. And Moss and Owens through 6 games: Code: Ctch Yards TD Moss 26 394 8 Owens 30 487 6 Close overall, though Owens wouldn't have put up numbers like that if he saw the same kind of defensive coverages as Moss.

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