Best Sports sim available?

Crapshoot · 11-05-2004, 02:02 PM

a poll perhaps ? but CM/FM wins hands down..

JeeberD · 11-05-2004, 02:04 PM

He's probably entering options as we speak...

jbmagic · 11-05-2004, 02:11 PM

Total pro Basketball 2005

JeeberD · 11-05-2004, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

He's probably entering options as we speak...

Or maybe not...

MizzouRah · 11-05-2004, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

a poll perhaps ? but CM/FM wins hands down..

for who?

Todd

The_herd · 11-05-2004, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Or maybe not...

Maybe he types really slow. Like me for instance....

gstelmack · 11-05-2004, 02:23 PM

Methinks that on an FOF board the results will be at least slightly skewed...

JeeberD · 11-05-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The_herd

Maybe he types really slow. Like me for instance....

Super duper slow...

Radii · 11-05-2004, 02:26 PM

FBCB is #2 IMO and isn't even on the list. CM/FM hands down for me.

Joe · 11-05-2004, 02:28 PM

FOF2005 beta version beats em all

John Galt · 11-05-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

FBCB is #2 IMO and isn't even on the list. CM/FM hands down for me.

FBCB is probably my #1 even though I haven't played it in a while. CM/FM is great, but it just takes so long and my schedule is such that I never play it. FBCB combined quick use, good engine, and adequate depth in a way that really makes it the best value for me.

The_herd · 11-05-2004, 02:32 PM

FOF2k4 with FBCB a very close 2nd. As JG said, CM just runs too slow for my taste.

Raiders Army · 11-05-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

for who?

Todd

Actually, it should be "for whom?"

vex · 11-05-2004, 02:40 PM

JeeberD · 11-05-2004, 02:42 PM

FOF2K4, if for nothing else than multiplayer. I LOVE FOF multiplayer leagues...

Peregrine · 11-05-2004, 02:44 PM

FOF 2K4 and then FBCB for me, no question.

sabotai · 11-05-2004, 02:56 PM

CM/FM from me, then EHM and FBCB tied. No disrespect meant, but how can you have TDCB on the list, but not FBCB?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 11-05-2004, 03:40 PM

That's funny, I dont see Maddden 05 there.

Buccaneer · 11-05-2004, 03:48 PM

That FBCB is not on the list, the poll is unvotable. Don't you remember the poll from last year about the Best Sports Sim Developer and Brian won, over Jim no less??? To me, FBCB is way better than everything on that list. I am not a fan of FOF, OOTP has become boring and CM is a non-entity. The rest don't even register with me. As sab alluded, how in the world could have left FBCB off, don't you even know about that game? Besides, where's TCY? That's still available, isn't it?

JimboJ · 11-05-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Methinks that on an FOF board the results will be at least slightly skewed...

I think you're right, the results will be skewed. Not necessarily because people are biased toward FOF, just because everyone on here has at least played FOF. You can't say that for the other ones.

For instance, I have only played 4 of the games listed, so I wouldn't know if any of those are the best or not.

But of the games I've played, FOF is the best.

Crapshoot · 11-05-2004, 04:05 PM

Im somewhat surprised, even given the sample here, that CM isnt winning this hands down - its the holy grail of text sims.

Peregrine · 11-05-2004, 04:06 PM

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I think you're right, the results will be skewed. Not necessarily because people are biased toward FOF, just because everyone on here has at least played FOF. You can't say that for the other ones.

That's a good point. Plus since a popular title like FBCB is missing, that may skew the results as well. There are also some titles on the list that I've never even heard of, much less played. Pure Sim?

jbmagic · 11-05-2004, 04:10 PM

what is FBCB?

JeeberD · 11-05-2004, 04:11 PM

Fast Break College Basketball

Ben E Lou · 11-05-2004, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Don't you remember the poll from last year about the Best Sports Sim Developer and Brian won, over Jim no less???

The memory is the first thing to go, Buc.

The knees will be next.

John Galt · 11-05-2004, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

The memory is the first thing to go, Buc.

The knees will be next.

Was it a different award (like game of the year) that FBCB won? I have the same memory as Bucc (and that, in itself, is bizarre).

JeeberD · 11-05-2004, 04:21 PM

Wow, it sounds like SD has been possesed by the spirit of Shorty...

Edit: Damn, he erased it...

jbmagic · 11-05-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Fast Break College Basketball

wow never heard of this game

how is it ? how is it compare to Tournament Dreams College Basketball?

thanks

Desnudo · 11-05-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Wow, it sounds like SD has been possesed by the spirit of Shorty...

Edit: Damn, he erased it...

I saw it.

Peregrine · 11-05-2004, 04:24 PM

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how is it ? how is it compare to Tournament Dreams College Basketball?

It's quite a bit better, according to most who have played TDCD (I haven't.) There's a free demo and let me say that most of the people who play the demo buy the game. The developer is a poster here and the feedback you get if you have any problems is often close to instantaneous.

http://www.fbbgames.com/fbcb/

It's a top-notch game.

rjolley · 11-05-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I saw it.

Yeah, I saw it too. I had to keep looking at who wrote it to be sure it said SkyDog.

Also, while CM has the most features and immersion, it tends to run too slowly to fire it up and play a quick year or two. And leaving out FBCB is a big omission. I didn't respond because it's not on the list.

HornedFrog Purple · 11-05-2004, 04:28 PM

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CM is a non-entity.

You only say that because of the sport it simulates. You would/should be drooling all over the CM model of "immersion" if your demands for a sim you like haven't changed.

Desnudo · 11-05-2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HornedFrog Purple

You only say that because of the sport it simulates. You would/should be drooling all over the CM model of "immersion" if your demands for a sim you like haven't changed.

If he tried CM in a year he'd be a season ticket holder at Colorado MLS games and be walking around in a Landon Donovan shirt.

Buccaneer · 11-05-2004, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HornedFrog Purple

You only say that because of the sport it simulates. You would/should be drooling all over the CM model of "immersion" if your demands for a sim you like haven't changed.

That is only partly true. Remember, I did try the CM 01/02 demo and while I did find it a quality game (like every other game on the list), it could never grab me because I would have to care about the results. But I say 'partly' because I am only a causal college hoops fan but FBCB has grabbed me like no other game on that list (except the first year I played OOTP4/5). So maybe my demands have changed (I think it is has) to prefer a game with Civ2-like qualities: simple in its execution and deep in its results, which FBCB has given me since March. OOTP was like that but not any more but if OOTP develops a CM-like level of complexity and immersion, I honestly do not know if it would be a game I like. It truly must the mind that is going, huh?

HornedFrog Purple · 11-05-2004, 06:20 PM

Well forgetting about the sport, the newest version (I don't have it yet) from what I understand has the ability to macromanage a lot more than in CM 01/02. You can basically have the AI do the things you don't want to do.

Also if I remember the interface wasn't a favorite of yours either. The newer ones are pretty slick and skinnable. I think if there was an SI Games version of FOF you would like it.

As far as changing your mind, everyone does that it's not a sign of going senile!

Buccaneer · 11-05-2004, 06:24 PM

I think you are right, HFP. I do remember looking at all of the screenshots when it was announced last Summer and came away very impressed. But as you said, I cannot forget about the sport so CM, in itself, becomes a non-entity - for me.

MizzouRah · 11-05-2004, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Actually, it should be "for whom?"

Ack!

btw, thanks for leaving the Falcons in good shape in the HFL.

Todd

Leonidas · 11-05-2004, 08:37 PM

If you have time for it, and only it, FM/CM wins. Problem with the game is it is too much. Yes, it is possibly the absolute perfect sim for its sport, but it is so involved I simply cannot enjoy it because it takes way too much time. For the average player, there really is a point where there can be too much of a good thing.

View Poll Results: Vote here
FOF 2004	34	41.98%
Cm/FM	26	32.10%
OOTP6	7	8.64%
Pure Sim	4	4.94%
Total Pro Basketball 2005	7	8.64%
East Side Hockey	2	2.47%
TDCB	0	0%
Total Pro Football	1	1.23%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

11-05-2004, 02:04 PM	#3
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	He's probably entering options as we speak... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-05-2004, 02:23 PM	#8
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Methinks that on an FOF board the results will be at least slightly skewed... __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-05-2004, 02:32 PM	#13
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	FOF2k4 with FBCB a very close 2nd. As JG said, CM just runs too slow for my taste. __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs

11-05-2004, 02:42 PM	#16
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	FOF2K4, if for nothing else than multiplayer. I LOVE FOF multiplayer leagues... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-05-2004, 02:02 PM	#2
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	a poll perhaps ? but CM/FM wins hands down..

11-05-2004, 02:11 PM	#4
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Total pro Basketball 2005

11-05-2004, 02:26 PM	#10
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	FBCB is #2 IMO and isn't even on the list. CM/FM hands down for me.

11-05-2004, 02:28 PM	#11
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	FOF2005 beta version beats em all

11-05-2004, 02:40 PM	#15
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	TCY

11-05-2004, 02:44 PM	#17
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	FOF 2K4 and then FBCB for me, no question.

11-05-2004, 02:56 PM	#18
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	CM/FM from me, then EHM and FBCB tied. No disrespect meant, but how can you have TDCB on the list, but not FBCB?

11-05-2004, 03:40 PM	#19
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	That's funny, I dont see Maddden 05 there. __________________ Toujour Pret

11-05-2004, 03:48 PM	#20
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	That FBCB is not on the list, the poll is unvotable. Don't you remember the poll from last year about the Best Sports Sim Developer and Brian won, over Jim no less??? To me, FBCB is way better than everything on that list. I am not a fan of FOF, OOTP has become boring and CM is a non-entity. The rest don't even register with me. As sab alluded, how in the world could have left FBCB off, don't you even know about that game? Besides, where's TCY? That's still available, isn't it?

11-05-2004, 04:05 PM	#22
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Im somewhat surprised, even given the sample here, that CM isnt winning this hands down - its the holy grail of text sims.

11-05-2004, 04:10 PM	#24
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	what is FBCB?

11-05-2004, 04:11 PM	#25
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Fast Break College Basketball __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-05-2004, 04:21 PM	#28
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Wow, it sounds like SD has been possesed by the spirit of Shorty... Edit: Damn, he erased it... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 11-05-2004 at 04:21 PM.

11-05-2004, 06:20 PM	#36
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Well forgetting about the sport, the newest version (I don't have it yet) from what I understand has the ability to macromanage a lot more than in CM 01/02. You can basically have the AI do the things you don't want to do. Also if I remember the interface wasn't a favorite of yours either. The newer ones are pretty slick and skinnable. I think if there was an SI Games version of FOF you would like it. As far as changing your mind, everyone does that it's not a sign of going senile! __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

11-05-2004, 06:24 PM	#37
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think you are right, HFP. I do remember looking at all of the screenshots when it was announced last Summer and came away very impressed. But as you said, I cannot forget about the sport so CM, in itself, becomes a non-entity - for me.

11-05-2004, 08:37 PM	#39
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	If you have time for it, and only it, FM/CM wins. Problem with the game is it is too much. Yes, it is possibly the absolute perfect sim for its sport, but it is so involved I simply cannot enjoy it because it takes way too much time. For the average player, there really is a point where there can be too much of a good thing. __________________ Molon labe

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