First Ever College Football VIB Rankings Released (Grey Dog)

Northwood_DK · 11-09-2004, 06:40 AM

From the Grey Dog web page

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/news.php?id=125

November 8, 2004 - The College Football VIB Rankings are an objective measure of the relative strength of College Football teams. The rankings are a personal project of Scott Vibert and will be updated once weekly through the rest of the college football season.

Icy · 11-09-2004, 07:10 AM

Do i smell Total College Football?

FBPro · 11-09-2004, 07:28 AM

Sounds good to me.

Noop · 11-09-2004, 07:34 AM

This poll is bunk. Florida State way to high and so is Virgina...Wisconsin should be alot higher on the list.

Blackadar · 11-09-2004, 07:44 AM

Yea, those ranking look WAY off.

When you have a 2 loss FL St. team in front of an undefeated Wisconsin, something is wrong.

ScottVib · 11-09-2004, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Yea, those ranking look WAY off.

When you have a 2 loss FL St. team in front of an undefeated Wisconsin, something is wrong.

I would agree... except that's just the way the equations came out, (I'm still tweaking them as I do it).. but everything I try keeps Wisconsin too low. The problem for Wisconsin is that the Big Ten isn't looking strong this year, and their performance relative to the strength of schedule is good, but for whatever reason, not good enough to get the equations to come out with them higher. (I do expect that to change in the coming weeks)

For what its worth Wisconsin's computer average in the BCS rankings places them 9th... the 12th place in my rankings isn't that far off from what the consensus of the BCS computers is saying.

Before people read too much into it, it's something I do on my own time, as a personal interest type thing, I will undoubtedly continue tweaking it, but figured it was interesting enough to finally pull it out and really start tracking it.

Thanks for the feedback.

(I'm just happy someone took the time to check them out)

Blackadar · 11-09-2004, 08:57 AM

Don't get me wrong - the attempt is admirable. Better than I could do, that's for sure.

Gary Gorski · 11-09-2004, 08:59 AM

Yeah until Wisconsin plays a real team like Michigan (too bad they don't) I call fraud and they should be ranked as low as Scott can rank them

ScottVib · 11-09-2004, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Yeah until Wisconsin plays a real team like Michigan (too bad they don't) I call fraud and they should be ranked as low as Scott can rank them

Keep in mind they are still ahead of Michigan in my rankings

John Galt · 11-09-2004, 09:10 AM

I think Bowling Green over Iowa and LSU is a little odd (given that they are all 2 loss teams). And this was Bowling Green's schedule:

Sep 4 at Oklahoma L, 40-24
Sep 11 vs SE Missouri State W, 49-10
Sep 24 at Northern Illinois L, 34-17
Oct 2 at Temple W, 70-16
Oct 9 at Central Michigan W, 38-14
Oct 16 vs Ball State W, 51-13
Oct 23 at Ohio W, 41-16
Oct 30 vs Eastern Michigan W, 41-20
Nov 6 vs Western Michigan W, 52-0

I'm guessing point differential figures prominently in the ratings (and the OK loss counts a bit too).

Arles · 11-09-2004, 12:08 PM

Another thing is that this is simply a computer ranking. A "BCS" type system would also implement a few human polls which may help correct some of this - esp with Wisconsin.

KWhit · 11-09-2004, 12:26 PM

SEC only the 4th best conference? I'm definitely biased, but I think the consensus is that it's probably the toughest conference this year and the Big 12 is down.

ScottVib · 11-09-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

SEC only the 4th best conference? I'm definitely biased, but I think the consensus is that it's probably the toughest conference this year and the Big 12 is down.

The SEC's top end is tough... but the bottom end is being dragged down by Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and Mississippi; this counter balances the good that Auburn and Georgia are doing for their ranking.

In the Big XII's case while the Big XII north is weak, the teams aren't coming through as truly terrible, just mediocre, so they don't provide as much drag on the rankings of Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M.

FWIW the Sagarin ratings put the SEC 6th

KWhit · 11-09-2004, 01:02 PM

Yeah, I can understand that. It's so hard to compare conferences anyway since teams don't play enough quality games out of conference.

JeeberD · 11-09-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic.com

#27 UTEP

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Originally Posted by Greydog.com

#20 UTEP

I like the new guys rankings better...

mckerney · 11-09-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Yeah until Wisconsin plays a real team like Michigan (too bad they don't) I call fraud and they should be ranked as low as Scott can rank them

This is why it was a bad thing that more power was given to human polls in the BCS. In the case of the Big Ten, the computers seem to generally be getting it right.

11-09-2004, 07:28 AM	#3
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11-09-2004, 07:34 AM	#4
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	This poll is bunk. Florida State way to high and so is Virgina...Wisconsin should be alot higher on the list. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

11-09-2004, 08:59 AM	#8
Gary Gorski Wolverine Studios Join Date: Oct 2003	Yeah until Wisconsin plays a real team like Michigan (too bad they don't) I call fraud and they should be ranked as low as Scott can rank them __________________ Wolverine Studios http://www.wolverinestudios.com

11-09-2004, 09:10 AM	#10
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	I think Bowling Green over Iowa and LSU is a little odd (given that they are all 2 loss teams). And this was Bowling Green's schedule: Sep 4 at Oklahoma L, 40-24 Sep 11 vs SE Missouri State W, 49-10 Sep 24 at Northern Illinois L, 34-17 Oct 2 at Temple W, 70-16 Oct 9 at Central Michigan W, 38-14 Oct 16 vs Ball State W, 51-13 Oct 23 at Ohio W, 41-16 Oct 30 vs Eastern Michigan W, 41-20 Nov 6 vs Western Michigan W, 52-0 I'm guessing point differential figures prominently in the ratings (and the OK loss counts a bit too). __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude Last edited by John Galt : 11-09-2004 at 09:13 AM.

11-09-2004, 12:08 PM	#11
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Another thing is that this is simply a computer ranking. A "BCS" type system would also implement a few human polls which may help correct some of this - esp with Wisconsin. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-09-2004, 07:10 AM	#2
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Do i smell Total College Football? __________________

11-09-2004, 07:44 AM	#5
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Yea, those ranking look WAY off. When you have a 2 loss FL St. team in front of an undefeated Wisconsin, something is wrong.

11-09-2004, 08:57 AM	#7
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Don't get me wrong - the attempt is admirable. Better than I could do, that's for sure.

11-09-2004, 12:26 PM	#12
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	SEC only the 4th best conference? I'm definitely biased, but I think the consensus is that it's probably the toughest conference this year and the Big 12 is down.

11-09-2004, 01:02 PM	#14
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Yeah, I can understand that. It's so hard to compare conferences anyway since teams don't play enough quality games out of conference.

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