Five hunters gunned down in Wisconsin woods

[WSUCougar]

Damn. What is going on in this country? It's like we're regressing as a civilization.

Police: Dispute over deer stand apparently led to killings

(CNN) -- Sheriff's deputies are investigating the killings of five hunters Sunday in northwest Wisconsin -- bloodshed apparently sparked by a dispute over a hunting spot. A suspect has been arrested.

"This is completely nuts," said Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle of the Sawyer County Sheriff's Department. "Why? I mean, five people dead because somebody was trespassing on property. It makes no sense."

Three others were wounded, said Julie Veness, an emergency medical technician in Exeland, Wisconsin.

Saturday marked the opening of the nine-day deer season, and Veness said the shootings appeared to stem from a dispute over a deer stand -- an elevated position from which hunters can target deer.

"Apparently, the person was asked to leave and get out of his deer stand, and he didn't take it very well and he fired away at them," she said.

The suspect apparently got lost in the woods after the rampage. He was led out by a pair of hunters who were not aware of the shootings, according to Zeigle.

"We were very thankful to take him into custody. No one else got hurt," Zeigle said. "When he was taken into custody, his gun was empty."

Jennifer Greshowak, a spokeswoman for Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake, said three men from the same hunting party were brought to that facility after suffering gunshot wounds. One of the three was transferred to a hospital in nearby Marshfield, she said.

The other two -- identified by relatives as Denny Drew and Lauren Hesebeck -- were recovering from surgery at Lakeview. Drew was in serious condition, while Hesebeck was listed in fair condition, their families said in a statement issued Sunday night.

"Our families certainly appreciate the thoughts and prayers of this close-knit community, and encourage you to think and pray for the other families involved," the statement said.

Veness said the killings have shocked Exeland, a village of 219 people about 135 miles northeast of Minneapolis.

"It just doesn't happen in this neck of the woods," she said. "We don't expect any of this to happen."

[rkmsuf]

People are just so angry for some reason.

David Stern has it right with his comments on civil behavior.

[sachmo71]

I heard this on the news last night, and couldn't quite figure it out. I'm still confused, but at least I know how it started.

I think.

[Esquared1]

We have a coworker hunting up there. . . insofar as he is not one of the five, I will pass on any additional information.

[Franklinnoble]

What REALLY happened...

[JonInMiddleGA]

I noticed a bit of potential confusion that could easily be created by the CNN version of the story, due to what appears to be a misstatement from the EMT
"Apparently, the person was asked to leave and get out of his deer stand, and he didn't take it very well and he fired away at them," she said.

Every other account I've read so far makes it pretty clear that the trespasser was asked to leave & get out of someone else's deer stand, and the exchange led to gunfire.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news...22hunters.html
The incident began when two hunters were returning to their rural cabin on private land in Sawyer County when they saw the suspect in one of their hunting platforms in a tree, County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said. A confrontation and shooting followed.

It's not known who shot first, Zeigle said.

Both hunters were wounded and one of them radioed to the cabin a quarter mile away. Other hunters responded and were shot. About 20 shots were fired, but it's unclear who shot them, he said.

The dead included a a teenage boy and a woman, Zeigle said. A father and son were among them, he said. Some of the victims were shot more than once.

All five, from the Rice Lake area, were dead when officers arrived to the area in southwestern Sawyer County, he said. Authorities found two bodies near each other and the others were scattered over 100 yards.

"It's absolutely nuts. Why? Over sitting in a tree stand?" asked Zeigle.

Zeigle said the suspect was "chasing after them and killing them," with a SKS 7.62 mm semiautomatic rifle, a common hunting weapon. Wisconsin's statewide deer gun hunting season started Saturday and lasts for nine days.

Two young people who stayed in the cabin emerged safely after the shootings.

[Greyroofoo]

George Bush's America at work

[Esquared1]

Talking about my co-worker last week, I stated "Hunting is not a sport. If they gave the deer the ability to shoot back, that would make it a sport."

This whole thing is not good, but this reminds me of that brutal movie (possibly "made-for-TV) where Ice T was being hunted by people. Rutger Hauer (sp?) was on of them.

Stinks.

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

George Bush's America at work

I actually can't believe I am saying this but...


How is this his fault?

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

George Bush's America at work

I can't see the connection.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by Esquared1

Talking about my co-worker last week, I stated "Hunting is not a sport. If they gave the deer the ability to shoot back, that would make it a sport."

Wouldn't that make it combat? Not sure if combat is a sport, having never been in it. IRL, that is. I'm 3l33t.

[WSUCougar]

Please don't turn this into a partisan politics discussion. I have no qualms about deleting the thread if it does.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

George Bush's America at work

That's the stupidest comment you've made......this week.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Please don't turn this into a partisan politics discussion. I have no qualms about deleting the thread if it does.

Tool.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

George Bush's America at work

How in the world can you blame this on George Bush? You are an idiot. Some people have no clue.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That's the stupidest comment you've made......this week.

That is the stupidest comment I have read on this board in a long time. The "Fuck the NBA" thread is good, but that one takes the cake.

[GoldenEagle]

Here is what I think I can piece together.

Some guy gets in a deer stand on a private property where a deer camp is at. The hunters, two of them (which usually you only hunt by yourself) approached the guy and probably had some choice words for him. I bet they did not even want to hunt out of that deer stand. The guy probably goes crazy (might have been drinking) and shoots them. They radio back for help and a woman and a teenage boy come to help along with another. The guy shoots eight people total. That is crazy. He must have just gone insane.

I guess he had a pretty good shot but he did have the high ground. He probably just wanted to kill since the bodies were scattered all over the place. That is really crazy. I just do not get it.

This makes you not want to go hunting. I hunt, but I do not ever shoot. I rarely even load up my gun. I just go to relax. It is a shame that fucked up people like this can ruin the experience.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

(which usually you only hunt by yourself)

Sidebar but ... must be different in MS than in this part of GA. At least half of the deer hunters I know hunt in pairs at least some of the time. And I'm in the "Deer Capital of Georgia", so it's hard not to know quite a few hunters around here.

[mgadfly]

I hunt, and I usually hunt with someone (especially if there is a kid or woman with me).

[Blackadar]

The guy must have been playing a Deer Hunter game. IT'S THE FAULT OF A VIDEOGAME. BAN VIDEO GAMES!!!! SUE VIDEO GAME DEVELOPERS AND PUBLISHERS!!!

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

George Bush's America at work

I'm the furthest thing from being a Bush fan and even I think this is a stupid, moronic comment.

[mattwakeman]

guns are bad mmmmkay...well, the people who have access to them anyways.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Esquared1

Talking about my co-worker last week, I stated "Hunting is not a sport. If they gave the deer the ability to shoot back, that would make it a sport."

This whole thing is not good, but this reminds me of that brutal movie (possibly "made-for-TV) where Ice T was being hunted by people. Rutger Hauer (sp?) was on of them.

Stinks.

"Surviving the Game." It was totally released in theaters. Hell, it co-starred Acadmey Award winner F. Murray Abraham! It's basically a "Most Dangerous Game" rip-off, much like Jean Claude Van Damme's "Hard Target" or, what I would argue, was John Woo's best American film.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

George Bush's America at work

You are an idiot.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Sidebar but ... must be different in MS than in this part of GA. At least half of the deer hunters I know hunt in pairs at least some of the time. And I'm in the "Deer Capital of Georgia", so it's hard not to know quite a few hunters around here.

I do not even know when the last time I went hunting with an actual partner. Probably when I first started out, I went with my dad. But ever since about 14 I have hunted by myself. Of course, its a big deal to find your own spot and build your on deer stand and all that. That is what made it fun as a kid/teen. Like i said, now I just use it to relax. I wish it was colder, I like the cold weather.

[rkmsuf]

Must really suck to be a deer. Not only are you unable to drive or go to the movies but the humans are camping out in trees waiting to blow your head off.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Damn. What is going on in this country? It's like we're regressing as a civilization.

LOL

Holy hole in a donut, Batman! It took this incident for you make that statement. We've been regressing for a loooong time now.

[Bomber]

I'd use the ole Tommy Bowden defense and blame it on Ron Artest.

[mgadfly]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

LOL

Holy hole in a donut, Batman! It took this incident for you make that statement. We've been regressing for a loooong time now.

Read some original writings from the time of the Crusades. Things weren't exactly peachy back then.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by mattwakeman

guns are bad mmmmkay...well, the people who have access to them anyways.

Comparing this guy to the vast vast majority of gun owners is ludicrous. Almost all of the hunters/gun enthusiasts I know are very serious about gun safety. I have run into a few notable exceptions, but almost all of them understand the inherent danger of carrying around loaded weapons.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Comparing this guy to the vast vast majority of gun owners is ludicrous. Almost all of the hunters/gun enthusiasts I know are very serious about gun safety. I have run into a few notable exceptions, but almost all of them understand the inherent danger of carrying around loaded weapons.

I think it's when you rub the deer piss on you that you risk problems.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I think it's when you rub the deer piss on you that you risk problems.

I've heard that. In fact I think I saw something about that on "When Animals Attack".

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by sachmo71

I heard this on the news last night, and couldn't quite figure it out. I'm still confused, but at least I know how it started.

I think.

Beer?

[Esquared1]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

"Surviving the Game." It was totally released in theaters. Hell, it co-starred Acadmey Award winner F. Murray Abraham! It's basically a "Most Dangerous Game" rip-off, much like Jean Claude Van Damme's "Hard Target" or, what I would argue, was John Woo's best American film.

Maybe it's just me, but when I see a movie w/ Rutger Hauer in it, I assume it stinks.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Esquared1

Maybe it's just me, but when I see a movie w/ Rutger Hauer in it, I assume it stinks.

Great. I guess that means the new Batman film is doomed.

[mattwakeman]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Comparing this guy to the vast vast majority of gun owners is ludicrous. Almost all of the hunters/gun enthusiasts I know are very serious about gun safety. I have run into a few notable exceptions, but almost all of them understand the inherent danger of carrying around loaded weapons.

Which is fair enough. But what I was trying to say is that it is the sheer access to guns which is the problem. People have and will always fly off the handle but guns just make the fallout of these things that much worse. Things like this make me think back to Mr. Moore's 'Columbine' which, although mean-spirited in many ways, did ask the pertinent question as to why these things happen in America so much.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Great. I guess that means the new Batman film is doomed.

I think that has more to do with the track history of Batman movies, than any sort of casting decision.

[JasonC23]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I think that has more to do with the track history of Batman movies, than any sort of casting decision.

Actually, this one looks like they're handling it smartly, as opposed to the two previous "Get a big name and stick him/her in some role, doesn't matter which, and zoom in on Batman's nipples!" films.

[sabotai]

Hunters sit up in trees and shoot deer from there? What a bunch of pansies.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Hunters sit up in trees and shoot deer from there? What a bunch of pansies.

Heck, you can't risk getting near those horns even with a shotgun in your hand.

Real hunters wrestle the deer.

[Hurst2112]

I hunted for 3 years back home...started when i was 12. Only made it 3 years because A) I got shot at once, and B) I just couldn't get into it. I liked small game hunting with friends...going out in fall and shooting rabbits and squirrels (by the way, we ate them). I think that one reason I stopped dear hunting is because everybody did it back home. Just didn't thrill me.

Bow hunting is a challenge. I liked that.


Nothing is scarier when you are 15 to be watching a deer that you snuck up on and hearing this low, loud drone go over your head...twice. I think i pissed my pants, after i fell to the ground and shot 3 times in the air.

[Craptacular]

I've lived in Wisconsin all my life, and have never shot anything more powerful than a BB gun. Stuff like this certainly doesn't make me want to start.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by mattwakeman

... why these things happen in America so much.

Maybe it's our liberal immigration laws?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041123/D86H8RVO0.html
Police identified the shooter as Chai Vang, 36, a hunter from St. Paul, Minn., who is a member of the Twin Cities' Hmong community. While authorities do not know why he allegedly opened fire, there have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region.

Locals have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe it's our liberal immigration laws?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041123/D86H8RVO0.html
Police identified the shooter as Chai Vang, 36, a hunter from St. Paul, Minn., who is a member of the Twin Cities' Hmong community. While authorities do not know why he allegedly opened fire, there have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region.

Locals have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit.

I'm sure that's it.

I'm sure this guy just lets random people into his house too because he doesn't understand the concept of private property.

[clintl]

Since no one else has done it:



The Hunting Song

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe it's our liberal immigration laws?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041123/D86H8RVO0.html
Police identified the shooter as Chai Vang, 36, a hunter from St. Paul, Minn., who is a member of the Twin Cities' Hmong community. While authorities do not know why he allegedly opened fire, there have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region.

Locals have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit.

That strikes me funny. I just have this image of a bunch of drunk guys in camouflage walking up to a deer stand and finding a Cambodian family in there.

[Franklinnoble]

I guess nobody told Charlie that the war was over...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Esquared1

Maybe it's just me, but when I see a movie w/ Rutger Hauer in it, I assume it stinks.

Rutger has had a troubled career. He made three classics: Bladrunner, Lady Hawke, and The Hitcher. He's great in all three. After that I have no idea what happened to the man, besides getting fat. He lost it.

[Raven Hawk]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe it's our liberal immigration laws?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041123/D86H8RVO0.html
Police identified the shooter as Chai Vang, 36, a hunter from St. Paul, Minn., who is a member of the Twin Cities' Hmong community.

Did they specifically need to declare that he was of Asian descent, just in case the local population couldn't figure it out by his name? Did the press really need to declare his descent so that all the rednecks up that way have a place to take their aggression out . . . Would they have said the same thing if the the shooter was a member of the German Community or the Scandanavian Community?

I'd hate to be a member of the Hmong Community in NW Wisconsin right now. Yes, this is an atrocity and this Chai Vang guy is sick in the head, however, let's try not to finger an entire race for the misdoings of one person. Okay?

[mattwakeman]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe it's our liberal immigration laws?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041123/D86H8RVO0.html
Police identified the shooter as Chai Vang, 36, a hunter from St. Paul, Minn., who is a member of the Twin Cities' Hmong community. While authorities do not know why he allegedly opened fire, there have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region.

Locals have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit.

Ermmm, ok. So I guess we just have to wait and see whether this guy http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_de...wsitemid=42060 is non-american as well. So unless you're being ironic then your comment makes just as much sense as Greyroofoo blaming it all on George Bush.