MLB NEWS: Arbitration Deadline Moves

[Crapshoot]

Yanks Sign Jaret Wright: 3y, 22.5
Sign Womack: 2y, 4 mil (HAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Cardinals:
Resign Morris - 1 yr deal.

Cubs:
Blanco- 2y, 2.7 mil deal.

From Primer: arb offers. If a player didnt get offered arb by his team- he's essentialy gone (they can't resign him until May 1). If they did- a signing team probably has to give up a draft pick for him.



AL EAST:
Red Sox: offered arbitration to Pedro Martinez, Jason Varitek, Derek Lowe, Orlando Cabrera, Pedro Astacio, David McCarty, Pokey Reese, Mike Myers and Gabe Kapler

Yankees: signed Jaret Wright and Tony Womack; offered arbitration to Ruben Sierra, Jon Lieber, and Orlando Hernandez; declined to offer arbitration to John Olerud, Travis Lee, Estaban Loaiza, Enrique Wilson and C.J. Nitkowski

Orioles: re-signed BJ Surhoff; declined arbitration to Buddy Groom, Omar Daal, Marty Cordova and David Segui

AL CENTRAL:
Twins: re-signed Brad Radke, offered arbitration to Corey Koskie (ed. note, YES!!!), Henry Blanco and Terry Mulholland

Royals: re-signed Kevin Appier to a minor league contract; declined arbitration to Juan Gonzalez, Joe Randa, Desi Relaford and Kelly Stinnett

Tigers: declined to offer arbitration Al Levine and Estaban Yan

AL WEST:
Mariners: re-signed Dan Wilson

A’s: declined to offer arbitration to Jim Mecir, Chris Hammond, Jermaine Dye and Mark McLemore

Angels: declined to offer arbitration to Troy Glaus

Rangers: declined to offer arbitration to Eric Young and Rusty Greer

NL EAST:
Phillies: re-signed Rheal Cormier; are expected to sign Matt Clement

Nationals: declined to offer arbitration to Tony Batista and Einar Diaz

Mets: declined to offer arbitration to Richard Hidalgo, Al Leiter, John Franco, Ricky Bottalico, Todd Ziele and Mo Vaughn; re-signed Mike DeJean

Marlins: offered arbitration to Carl Pavano and Ismael Valdez; declined to offer arbitration to David Weathers, Mike Mordecai, Wil Cordero Chad Fox and Josais Manzanillo

NL CENTRAL:
Cubs: re-signed Nomar Garciaparra and Todd Walker; signed Henry Blanco; nontendered Moises Alou, Ramon Martinez, Tom Goodwin, Mark Grudzielanek, Mike DiFelice, Ben Grieve, and Kent Mercker; supposedly prepared to offer arbitration to Matt Clement

Cardinals: re-signed Matt Morris, and John F. Mabry and Cal Eldred; offered arbitration to Mike Matheny and Edgar Renteria; declined to offer arbitration to Steve Kline, Woody Williams and Ray Lankford

Astros: re-signed Orlando Palmiero and Russ Springer; offered arbitration to Carlos Beltran and Roger Clemens; declined to offer arbitration to Jeff Kent, Dan Miceli and Darren Oliver

Reds: declined to offer arbitration to Barry Larkin, Darren Bragg, Todd Van Poppel and Gabe White

NL WEST:
Dodgers: re-signed Elmer Dessens; offered arbitration to Adrian Beltre, Wilson Alvarez, Odalis Perez and Brent Mayne; declined to offer arbitration to Steve Finley, Jose Lima, Jose Hernandez, Todd Hundley, Hideo Nomo, Paul Shuey and Robin Ventura

Giants: offered arbitration to Jason Christiansen, declined to offer arbitration to Robb Nen, Dustin Hermanson, and Dave Burba

Diamondbacks: offered arbitration to Richie Sexson

Rockies: offered arbitration to Jamey Wright and Todd Greene; declined to offer arbitration to Shawn Estes, Steve Reed, Royce Clayton, Jeremy Burnitz and Mark Sweeney

Padres: offered arbitration to David Wells; declined to offer arbitration to Alex Gonzalez, Andy Ashby, Antonio Osuna, Rich Aurilia, Robert Fick and Dave Hansen

[Crapshoot]

More news: apparently, Leiber signs at 3, $20 mil with Phillies- another idiotic move. Clearly, proven veterans are worth it.

[Crapshoot]

Radke resigns with Twins: 2 years, $18 mil.

[Crapshoot]

Actually- the rumor is Clement as well as Leiber.

[Suicane75]

We don't want Leiber damnit, I wanted Clement. Doubtfull that will happen now.

[mckerney]

Nice to see Radke hanging around for a couple more years.

[Suicane75]

wolf, clement, leiber, myers, padilla, what about the rook?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

wolf, clement, leiber, myers, padilla, what about the rook?

You are also forgetting liddle.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

More news: apparently, Leiber signs at 3, $20 mil with Phillies- another idiotic move. Clearly, proven veterans are worth it.

That is a rediculous amount of money. I've resigned myself to the fact that we play in Coors Field 2. I would spend as much money as possible on homerun hitters and try to outhit everyone. Unless you are an extreme groundball pitcher, i dont think you are gonna have a lot of success in Citizens Bank.

[stevew]

Where are you getting all this news Crapshoot?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by stevew

Where are you getting all this news Crapshoot?

According to the Phillies message board at MLB.com, the New York Times is reporting the Lieber signing. They're going to offer him arby and he's going to be signed by the Phils and since he's a Type B, they get a draft pick of some sort (I forget).

SI

[korme]

Reds: declined to offer arbitration to Barry Larkin



(i knew it would happen but... still..........................)

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Reds: declined to offer arbitration to Barry Larkin



(i knew it would happen but... still..........................)

From what I'd read, it doesn't make sense for the team. Doesn't suck less, tho

This is like what KC is going through with Joe Randa. He's probably worth $2-3M on the open market but the Royals have Joe Teahan sitting down at Omaha who will likely be up here this year that they want to try out so it doesn't make any sense to sign him even if he's a really popular player who's been here 6 years because he's not the long term solution. He's even already taken one hometown contract. So, everyone here just wishes him well and hopes he signs somewhere he can win a ring as long as it's not New York or St Louis.

SI

[chrisj]

bye-bye Carlos Delgado... :/

[JonInMiddleGA]

Braves apparently poised to lose Jaret Wright to the Yankees, reportedly 3 yrs/$22m (vs the 3yr/$9m Atlanta said to have offered).

No arbitration offer to Russ Ortiz (no surprise), J.D. Drew (disappointing) or Antonio Alfonseca (reportedly negotiating with the Marlins), but offers to Wright, Julio Franco, and Paul Byrd (WTF they offered him I do not understand).

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Braves apparently poised to lose Jaret Wright to the Yankees, reportedly 3 yrs/$22m (vs the 3yr/$9m Atlanta said to have offered).

No arbitration offer to Russ Ortiz (no surprise), J.D. Drew (disappointing) or Antonio Alfonseca (reportedly negotiating with the Marlins), but offers to Wright, Julio Franco, and Paul Byrd (WTF they offered him I do not understand).

yeah- Ortiz is stupid, given that he wouldnt have accepted it- Maddux scared Scheroltz of it forever. Drew might have taken a 1 year deal- but not likely - I really think they should have. Oh well.

[Crapshoot]

btw, news is from the baseball primer thread and rotoworld.

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Yanks Sign Womack: 2y, 4 mil (HAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Womack - Career OPS+ 75.
Defense = awful.

Last year = Fluke to end all flukes.

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Womack - Career OPS+ 75.
Defense = awful.

Last year = Fluke to end all flukes.

Ah.

After watching him a lot last season in STL I would not say his defense is awful. He is certainly a serviceable defensive 2B, and an upgrade over what the Yankees had.

Admittedly, at times he was silly at the plate. If he would bunt 2 or 3 times a game, he'd be a lot more lethal. But the fluke comment explains the outburst of laughter more than anything.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Braves apparently poised to lose Jaret Wright to the Yankees, reportedly 3 yrs/$22m (vs the 3yr/$9m Atlanta said to have offered).

No arbitration offer to Russ Ortiz (no surprise), J.D. Drew (disappointing) or Antonio Alfonseca (reportedly negotiating with the Marlins), but offers to Wright, Julio Franco, and Paul Byrd (WTF they offered him I do not understand).

Any word on what Julio's getting? I wish they'd sign him to contract till he's 50 (which will be what, next year? ).

[primelord]

Why are the Braves passing on Drew? It just makes no sense to me. If Wainwright pans out they gave up way too much to just have him for one year. Especially when he gave them exactly what they were hoping for.

[MizzouRah]

Cardinals: re-signed Matt Morris, and John F. Mabry and Cal Eldred; offered arbitration to Mike Matheny and Edgar Renteria; declined to offer arbitration to Steve Kline, Woody Williams and Ray Lankford

re-signed Matty Mo? I cringed when I heard this on the radio this morning. Friggin Cal Eldred, oh joy!


Todd

[ISiddiqui]

Maybe they think they can sign him cheaper than what an arbitrator would give him. Wait, he's represented by Boras... what in SAM HELL are the Braves thinking?

[primelord]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

re-signed Matty Mo? I cringed when I heard this on the radio this morning. Friggin Cal Eldred, oh joy!


Todd

The Morris signing is a good thing. They signed him for something along the lines of 2.5 mil with incentives up to 4.5 mil. If he finds a way to return to him old form then it is a great signing. If he doesn't then it didn't really cost us much anyway.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Maybe they think they can sign him cheaper than what an arbitrator would give him. Wait, he's represented by Boras... what in SAM HELL are the Braves thinking?

No he is gone now. Since they didn't offer him arbitration they can't sign him now until May 1st. Once they passed on the arbitration offer that closed the door.

[Suicane75]

Did anyone else read the title of this thread and think that the arbitration deadline had been moved?

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by primelord

The Morris signing is a good thing. They signed him for something along the lines of 2.5 mil with incentives up to 4.5 mil. If he finds a way to return to him old form then it is a great signing. If he doesn't then it didn't really cost us much anyway.

I didn't hear the $$$ and now I feel much better.

I'd take JD Drew back and trade Sanders for a bag o balls.


Todd

[primelord]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'd take JD Drew back and trade Sanders for a bag o balls.


Todd

In terms of pure production I agree with you of course. However the Cards certainly aren't lacking in offense, he plays solid defense, and considering they are only paying him 2 mil a year it is hard to say that .260, 22 HR, and 67 RBIs isn't worth that.

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by primelord

The Morris signing is a good thing. They signed him for something along the lines of 2.5 mil with incentives up to 4.5 mil. If he finds a way to return to him old form then it is a great signing. If he doesn't then it didn't really cost us much anyway.

Agreed.

I've always liked Matty Mo and he's well-liked on the team. Something of a veteran leader which will be a key given the youth we'll have in the pitching staff. I am pleasantly suprised that he didn't bolt to a NY team, as was predicted by many.

By the way, Ankiel is apparently turning heads in winter ball. It'd be magnifico if he returned to anything close to what he once was (i.e., the best pitching prospect in baseball). Plus he's left-handed. Woohoo!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Maybe they think they can sign him cheaper than what an arbitrator would give him. Wait, he's represented by Boras... what in SAM HELL are the Braves thinking?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

There is no way they can sign him and make payroll. They would have had to trade Andruw (which they thought about but I would guess there wasn't any reasonable offers) and even then would have been tight on cash to sign anyone else.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -- There is no way they can sign him and make payroll. They would have had to trade Andruw (which they thought about but I would guess there wasn't any reasonable offers) and even then would have been tight on cash to sign anyone else.

I believe that pretty well covers it, this is strictly about the new budget.

[ISiddiqui]

I wonder how long Braves management think they can shrink payroll and still make the playoffs. At some point, it'll catch up with them. SOMEONE in the NL Least will get their act together at some point.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I believe that pretty well covers it, this is strictly about the new budget.

Isn't their budget the same as it was last year? I thought I read they are trying to stay at $80 mil for the payroll and that was the same as last season.

I can understand not being able to afford Drew, but I don't understand why they bothered to trade for him in the first place then. One of two things could happen. He either would stay injury riddled and under achieve like he did in St. Louis in which case they let him walk or he could realize his potential and have an MVP type season in which case they can;t afford to keep him. In the mean time you gave up an excellent left handed reliever, a young pitcher with some promise, and your #1 pitching prospect.

I think Marrero is solid and all, but in a situation where they had to know it would be nearly imposible to sign Drew why bother with that trade?

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I wonder how long Braves management think they can shrink payroll and still make the playoffs. At some point, it'll catch up with them. SOMEONE in the NL Least will get their act together at some point.

One would assume............

[miked]

What does all this mean for the Red Sox and Pedro? Arbitration deals are 1 yr, and he almost certainly wouldn't do that...so why offer arbitration? If it comes down to a 1 yr arbitration deal versus a 3-4 yr deal from the Mets, would he have to think about it? Just not 100% sure of the rules, I'm thinking this just bides them more negotiation time...

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by primelord

In terms of pure production I agree with you of course. However the Cards certainly aren't lacking in offense, he plays solid defense, and considering they are only paying him 2 mil a year it is hard to say that .260, 22 HR, and 67 RBIs isn't worth that.

I disagree, his constant strikeouts and hideous defense were apparent this year in Cardinal red. I liked the move at the time, but the reason he has been on many teams was apparent in the playoffs.

Although with Walker here for a full year, I agree.. we don't need more offense. I guess I'm just a JD Drew fan.


Todd

[primelord]

Originally Posted by miked

What does all this mean for the Red Sox and Pedro? Arbitration deals are 1 yr, and he almost certainly wouldn't do that...so why offer arbitration? If it comes down to a 1 yr arbitration deal versus a 3-4 yr deal from the Mets, would he have to think about it? Just not 100% sure of the rules, I'm thinking this just bides them more negotiation time...

If they didn't offer him arbitration then they would not be able to negotiatie with him again until May 1st of next year. He will decline the arbitration offer, but it was something they had to do if they wanted to have any shot of signing him.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I disagree, his constant strikeouts and hideous defense were apparent this year in Cardinal red. I liked the move at the time, but the reason he has been on many teams was apparent in the playoffs.

Although with Walker here for a full year, I agree.. we don't need more offense. I guess I'm just a JD Drew fan.


Todd

I like J.D. too. And I am not arguing that I wouldn't swap Sanders for J.D. if salaries aren't taken into account. However J.D. is going to make a huge amount of money and we don't need the additional offense. So for the money I think Sanders is fine in left.

I thought he played solid defense. Not spectacular, but certainly solid and he played well defensively in the playoffs too. He strikeouts too much. There is no question about that, but he has always struck out too much. The Crads knew that when they got him and as for his hitting overall he was the #7 man in the lineup. You aren't going to find many 7 hitters that produced significantly better than him and only made 2 mil.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by primelord

I like J.D. too. And I am not arguing that I wouldn't swap Sanders for J.D. if salaries aren't taken into account. However J.D. is going to make a huge amount of money and we don't need the additional offense. So for the money I think Sanders is fine in left.

I thought he played solid defense. Not spectacular, but certainly solid and he played well defensively in the playoffs too. He strikeouts too much. There is no question about that, but he has always struck out too much. The Crads knew that when they got him and as for his hitting overall he was the #7 man in the lineup. You aren't going to find many 7 hitters that produced significantly better than him and only made 2 mil.

Point taken, I guess I still have his postseason on my brain.

YEAR            G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS 
2004 POSTSEAS. 14 44 5 8 2 0 1 1 5 12 2 0 .182 .280 .295 .575

Todd

[WSUCougar]

Besides, JD would probably sprain his wrist signing the contract and have to go on the DL...

Or are your guys' memories that short?

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Besides, JD would probably sprain his wrist signing the contract and have to go on the DL...

Or are your guys' memories that short?

No, but he did play most of the year for the Braves. I really thought the Bravos would give him a blank check.

I just want to see him do well.


Todd

[primelord]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Besides, JD would probably sprain his wrist signing the contract and have to go on the DL...

Or are your guys' memories that short?

FWIW. I wasn't happy with the J.D. deal when we made it. Despite his injury problems I was hoping they would give it one more year and if he sitll couldn't stay healthy let him walk, but there was just so much potential there.

Now I can't argue with how the trade turned out. J.D. had an outstanding year and when Marrero was healthy he played very well too, but you can easily make the argument that we wouldn't have made it to the WS without King and Marquis.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

No, but he did play most of the year for the Braves. I really thought the Bravos would give him a blank check.

This is not your daddy's Braves. They can't give a blank check to anyone.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Any word on what Julio's getting? I wish they'd sign him to contract till he's 50 (which will be what, next year? ).

I thought that was 2 years ago?

[korme]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Did anyone else read the title of this thread and think that the arbitration deadline had been moved?

..heh...yes, kept looking for the new date