Heisman Trophy

Cap Ologist · 12-09-2004, 04:32 PM

So, how does this work. Are the five finalists the top 5 vote getters and it's already been decided or do the voters select from these 5?

digamma · 12-09-2004, 04:35 PM

Top five vote getters, or more precisely, who the DAC thinks are going to be the top five vote getters. Either last year or the year before one of the five invited actually finished 6th or 7th in the voting. They have to make the decision on who to invite before all of the ballots are counted, so sometimes there might be a flip flop near the bottom of the top five.

Suicane75 · 12-09-2004, 04:35 PM

Pretty sure its already been decided and the final 5 are just the top 5.

I am sure of nothing.

Joe · 12-09-2004, 04:40 PM

I wonder who Jason White voted for, since he has a vote.

Suicane75 · 12-09-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I wonder who Jason White voted for, since he has a vote.

Can he vote for himself?

ISiddiqui · 12-09-2004, 04:40 PM

He said he voted for Peterson.

Airhog · 12-09-2004, 04:42 PM

Jason white said earlier in the year that he planned on voting for Adrian Peterson.

Joe · 12-09-2004, 04:43 PM

i'd think he can, not sure if there's any provisions on that since its a rare occasion

DanGarion · 12-09-2004, 04:54 PM

So when White loses by one vote to Leinart because he picked Peterson, I will laugh my ass off...

Eaglesfan27 · 12-09-2004, 05:28 PM

It won't be that close. Leinart will win by a fair margin I think.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-09-2004, 05:38 PM

Dola -

Leinart just won the Walter Camp Award.

Darkiller · 12-09-2004, 05:50 PM

It's doubtful White will win a 2nd Heisman...but he's still among the 5 finalists so it could be close !

vex · 12-09-2004, 06:54 PM

Leinart will get it.

SackAttack · 12-09-2004, 07:09 PM

I think Reggie Bush is a better player than Leinart, but that's just me.

Eaglesfan27 · 12-09-2004, 07:14 PM

I do too, but I still think Leinart will win it. Leinart has better stats than Bush. Leinart is a Junior which will help him as opposed to Bush being a sophomore or Peterson being a Freshman. If White hadn't won it already, I think the vote would be much closer (and there would be a good chance of White winning it.)

MikeVick7 · 12-09-2004, 07:37 PM

I just heard on the Ticket here in Dallas on my way home tonight that Carson Palmer said that his Heisman voting went like this:

1. Matt Leinart
2. Reggie Bush
3. Dwayne Jarrett - Their freshman WR.

Umm...can we look at taking his vote away?

Eaglesfan27 · 12-09-2004, 07:44 PM

I'm sure no Oklahoma voters don't vote unreasonably like that.

vex · 12-09-2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'm sure no Oklahoma voters don't vote unreasonably like that.

From the votes that are out, they didn't. Palmer's ballot is a joke.

MrBug708 · 12-09-2004, 10:49 PM

It's a biased vote. You could say the same thing for Jason White voting for Adrian Peterson

Cuckoo · 12-09-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

It's a biased vote. You could say the same thing for Jason White voting for Adrian Peterson

If Jason White leaves Matt Leinart off his ballot completely, I'd call it a biased voted as well.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 12-09-2004, 11:49 PM

Wht if it turns out to be a tie? What would be the deciding factor?
Will there be a recount? I can see it now OU and USC reps are disputing hanging chads during a re count.

duckman · 12-10-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Wht if it turns out to be a tie? What would be the deciding factor?
Will there be a recount? I can see it now OU and USC reps are disputing hanging chads during a re count.

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be suprised by a co-Heisman winner.

sooner333 · 12-10-2004, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

If Jason White leaves Matt Leinart off his ballot completely, I'd call it a biased voted as well.

A lot of people left off Leinart, or White for that matter, on their ballots...I wouldn't say it's biased. You can make a good argument for about 7 guys being a Heisman top-3 this year. White, Peterson, Leinart, Smith, Bush, Benson, and Arrington. A lot of people throw away their 3rd place vote too, by voting for a local favorite or a lower level player to honor them...of course, Palmer said he voted for Jarrett so he didn't have to vote for White, but...whatever, his call.

Blackadar · 12-10-2004, 10:06 AM

If I had a vote, it would be for Alex Smith. Not only do his statistics compare favorably with Leinart and White, but he doesn't have the backfield threat those guys do and he's run for over 500 yards and 10tds.

Sharpieman · 12-10-2004, 10:09 AM

If I were one of those guys I would pray that I wouldn't win that award. Its like a death warrant.

henry296 · 12-10-2004, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be suprised by a co-Heisman winner.

With over 900 voters and points to the Top 3... the probability of a tie is somewhere between slim and none and slim just left.

Todd

digamma · 12-10-2004, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

A lot of people left off Leinart, or White for that matter, on their ballots...I wouldn't say it's biased. You can make a good argument for about 7 guys being a Heisman top-3 this year. White, Peterson, Leinart, Smith, Bush, Benson, and Arrington. A lot of people throw away their 3rd place vote too, by voting for a local favorite or a lower level player to honor them...of course, Palmer said he voted for Jarrett so he didn't have to vote for White, but...whatever, his call.

In fact, if you can believe these folks, I'm sort of amazed at the number of people leaving White and Leinart off ballots:
http://www.heismanprojection.com

Cuckoo · 12-10-2004, 11:21 AM

I think Jason White should win the Heisman, and I'm not stupid enough to ignore strategic voting, but how someone could leave either of these two guys (Leinart/White) completely off the ballot baffles me. But that's just my opinion.

duckman · 12-10-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

With over 900 voters and points to the Top 3... the probability of a tie is somewhere between slim and none and slim just left.

Todd

Granted, it would be a slim chance (1/100,000?), but it's not entirely impossible for it to happen. This would be one of the best opportunity for it to happen since there are two teams with two candidates vying for the trophy.

Cuckoo · 12-10-2004, 03:39 PM

According to Pat Forde's article on ESPN, White said that he did include Matt Leinart on his ballot and even suggested that he left himself off entirely.

duckman · 12-10-2004, 04:22 PM

hxxp://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/awards04/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=1943376

Jason White is the only active college football player with a Heisman Trophy vote.

And he's not telling who got it.

"I decided I wasn't going to say anything," said White, the 2003 Heisman winner and 2004 Heisman finalist. "But there are two people very worthy of it: Adrian (Peterson, his teammate at Oklahoma) and Matt (Leinart, the USC quarterback).

"They're both on my ballot, let's just say that."

As for the third spot? It definitely does not belong to the voter.

"I wouldn't vote for myself," White said.

-- Pat Forde

judicial clerk · 12-13-2004, 11:41 AM

Does Archie Griffin[sp?] get to vote twice?

MikeVick7 · 12-13-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

Does Archie Griffin[sp?] get to vote twice?

No...he still has just one vote.

12-09-2004, 04:35 PM	#3
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Pretty sure its already been decided and the final 5 are just the top 5. I am sure of nothing. Last edited by Suicane75 : 12-09-2004 at 04:37 PM.

12-09-2004, 04:40 PM	#6
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	He said he voted for Peterson. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-09-2004, 04:42 PM	#7
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Jason white said earlier in the year that he planned on voting for Adrian Peterson. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

12-09-2004, 04:54 PM	#9
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: PNW	So when White loses by one vote to Leinart because he picked Peterson, I will laugh my ass off... __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

12-09-2004, 05:28 PM	#10
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	It won't be that close. Leinart will win by a fair margin I think. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-09-2004, 04:35 PM	#2
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Top five vote getters, or more precisely, who the DAC thinks are going to be the top five vote getters. Either last year or the year before one of the five invited actually finished 6th or 7th in the voting. They have to make the decision on who to invite before all of the ballots are counted, so sometimes there might be a flip flop near the bottom of the top five.

12-09-2004, 04:40 PM	#4
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I wonder who Jason White voted for, since he has a vote.

12-09-2004, 04:43 PM	#8
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	i'd think he can, not sure if there's any provisions on that since its a rare occasion

12-09-2004, 05:38 PM	#11
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Dola - Leinart just won the Walter Camp Award. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 12-09-2004 at 05:41 PM.

12-09-2004, 05:50 PM	#12
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	It's doubtful White will win a 2nd Heisman...but he's still among the 5 finalists so it could be close ! __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

12-09-2004, 06:54 PM	#13
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Leinart will get it.

12-09-2004, 07:09 PM	#14
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I think Reggie Bush is a better player than Leinart, but that's just me.

12-09-2004, 07:14 PM	#15
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I do too, but I still think Leinart will win it. Leinart has better stats than Bush. Leinart is a Junior which will help him as opposed to Bush being a sophomore or Peterson being a Freshman. If White hadn't won it already, I think the vote would be much closer (and there would be a good chance of White winning it.) __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-09-2004, 07:37 PM	#16
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	I just heard on the Ticket here in Dallas on my way home tonight that Carson Palmer said that his Heisman voting went like this: 1. Matt Leinart 2. Reggie Bush 3. Dwayne Jarrett - Their freshman WR. Umm...can we look at taking his vote away? __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

12-09-2004, 07:44 PM	#17
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I'm sure no Oklahoma voters don't vote unreasonably like that. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

12-09-2004, 10:49 PM	#19
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	It's a biased vote. You could say the same thing for Jason White voting for Adrian Peterson

12-09-2004, 11:49 PM	#21
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Wht if it turns out to be a tie? What would be the deciding factor? Will there be a recount? I can see it now OU and USC reps are disputing hanging chads during a re count. __________________ Toujour Pret

12-10-2004, 10:06 AM	#24
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	If I had a vote, it would be for Alex Smith. Not only do his statistics compare favorably with Leinart and White, but he doesn't have the backfield threat those guys do and he's run for over 500 yards and 10tds. Last edited by Blackadar : 12-10-2004 at 10:26 AM.

12-10-2004, 10:09 AM	#25
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	If I were one of those guys I would pray that I wouldn't win that award. Its like a death warrant.

12-10-2004, 11:21 AM	#28
Cuckoo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmond, OK	I think Jason White should win the Heisman, and I'm not stupid enough to ignore strategic voting, but how someone could leave either of these two guys (Leinart/White) completely off the ballot baffles me. But that's just my opinion. __________________ Commissioner - North American Football League Dallas Cowboys GM

12-10-2004, 03:39 PM	#30
Cuckoo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmond, OK	According to Pat Forde's article on ESPN, White said that he did include Matt Leinart on his ballot and even suggested that he left himself off entirely. __________________ Commissioner - North American Football League Dallas Cowboys GM

12-13-2004, 11:41 AM	#32
judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	Does Archie Griffin[sp?] get to vote twice?

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