Championship Rings? Only 46?

Raiders Army · 12-28-2004, 05:52 AM

It took me a while to get through the first couple of years (and I still haven't made it to the playoffs), but I was checking through the Packers' roster to see if somebody from Philly (the 2004 champions) was on the roster. I wanted to see if someone had two rings already.

The weird thing was that 7 players didn't have championship rings. Only the active players for the Superbowl got them. Is this a bug?

Ben E Lou · 12-28-2004, 06:15 AM

I've noticed it, too. It sounds like a design decision to me, rather than a bug.

Raiders Army · 12-28-2004, 06:40 AM

But what if I have a player that was a "franchise" player who played all 16 games, got hurt, and is now inactive? Shouldn't he deserve a championship ring on his bio?

Personally, I'm just glad that the rings are being tracked, but to me, I'd rather have it work for everyone.

Coffee Warlord · 12-28-2004, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

But what if I have a player that was a "franchise" player who played all 16 games, got hurt, and is now inactive? Shouldn't he deserve a championship ring on his bio?.

Fuck em. Fragile little whelps don't deserve a ring.

tategter · 12-28-2004, 09:27 AM

I seem to remember a rule in the NFL where you actually have to play at least one down in the Super Bowl to get a ring. This comes to mind because many years ago I was watching a Super Bowl and the winning team never punted. On one of the last plays of the game they let the punter play safety for one play so that he could get his ring.

MizzouRah · 12-28-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tategter

I seem to remember a rule in the NFL where you actually have to play at least one down in the Super Bowl to get a ring. This comes to mind because many years ago I was watching a Super Bowl and the winning team never punted. On one of the last plays of the game they let the punter play safety for one play so that he could get his ring.

That would suck to play all year, get injured in the playoffs, win the Super Bowl and never get a ring. Heck, I would go and buy one myself.

Todd

Raiders Army · 12-28-2004, 09:50 AM

I don't think this is true.

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Cost of Super Bowl rings: League pays for up to 150 rings at $5,000 per ring (plus adjustments for increases in gold and diamonds). League also pays for 150 pieces of jewelry for the losing team, which may not cost more than one-half the price set for the Super Bowl ring.

So if only 45 players can get the ring, where do the other 105 rings go? The owner, coaches, etc. should get one...but they aren't 105 people. I'd be pissed if Tony Dungy's son got one as the ballboy and I didn't because I was deactivated for that game.

rkmsuf · 12-28-2004, 09:54 AM

Laces out!

cthomer5000 · 12-28-2004, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tategter

I seem to remember a rule in the NFL where you actually have to play at least one down in the Super Bowl to get a ring. This comes to mind because many years ago I was watching a Super Bowl and the winning team never punted. On one of the last plays of the game they let the punter play safety for one play so that he could get his ring.

Not true.

I even remember the Packers deciding to give a super bowl ring to a player that retired mid-season in the year they won the Super Bowl in the 90's.

rkmsuf · 12-28-2004, 10:19 AM

The whole Patriot front office and staff got one down to the mailroom guys. I'm pretty sure they didn't get in the game last year.

Darkiller · 12-28-2004, 10:26 AM

EVERY player from the roster gets his SuperBowl ring.
Last time the Patriots won it all, WR J.J Stokes (who had been signed a couple of weeks before the SuperBowl to fill in and didn't even play a down in the big game) received his own New England Patriots SuperBowl ring.

tategter · 12-28-2004, 10:31 AM

OK, maybe I remembered it wrong. Keep in mind this was almost 20 years ago and I distinctly remember the punter playing a down at safety. I also remember the announcers pointing it out and saying it was because it was the only way to get his ring. The NFL has changed a lot since then.

Then again I can barely remember what the hell I did yesterday, so it is entirely possible I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

JeeberD · 12-28-2004, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

The whole Patriot front office and staff got one down to the mailroom guys. I'm pretty sure they didn't get in the game last year.

I'm not sure if it's true in the NFL as well, but in the NBA teams usually give trainers and front office staff much scaled down versions of the championship ring. The rings they get aren't work tens of thousands of dollars like the ones the players and coaches get...

rkmsuf · 12-28-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I'm not sure if it's true in the NFL as well, but in the NBA teams usually give trainers and front office staff much scaled down versions of the championship ring. The rings they get aren't work tens of thousands of dollars like the ones the players and coaches get...

I'm pretty sure they all got the same thing.

AlexB · 12-28-2004, 10:55 AM

Being a Brit, I know Scott McCready got a SB ring while he was only on the Pats practice squad...

hukarez · 12-28-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

It took me a while to get through the first couple of years (and I still haven't made it to the playoffs), but I was checking through the Packers' roster to see if somebody from Philly (the 2004 champions) was on the roster. I wanted to see if someone had two rings already.

The weird thing was that 7 players didn't have championship rings. Only the active players for the Superbowl got them. Is this a bug?

I think I had some active players on my squad not acquire championship rings at all. I had an extra DB who wasn't even listed anywhere on my depth charts and didn't get a ring. I'd have to check again for sure, though...

tategter · 12-28-2004, 11:42 AM

No matter what the problem with SB rings turns-out to be I really hope nobody makes a big deal about it to Jim. The man gave us a really cool feature out of the blue for free.

Raiders Army · 12-28-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tategter

No matter what the problem with SB rings turns-out to be I really hope nobody makes a big deal about it to Jim. The man gave us a really cool feature out of the blue for free.

Very true, and I agree completely...however, it is good to point out that there may be a bug for future reference.

Ben E Lou · 12-28-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Very true, and I agree completely...however, it is good to point out that there may be a bug for future reference.

I have strong suspicions that you can't classify this as a bug.

SunDancer · 12-28-2004, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I'm pretty sure they all got the same thing.

Jeebs is right. Usually, the players, coaches, owners and GM's get "better" rings then the remaining staff of the franchise.

rkmsuf · 12-28-2004, 02:12 PM

thus the word "usually"

Yossarian · 12-28-2004, 02:23 PM

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I have strong suspicions that you can't classify this as a bug.

Why not?

Of course the Solecismic Title is not the Superbowl per se.

But if the developer intent was to accurately model how the NFL gives out rings then surely you'd consider it a bug?

cthomer5000 · 12-28-2004, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

But if the developer intent was to accurately model how the NFL gives out rings then surely you'd consider it a bug?

Because he probably purposely programmed it to give only the 46 active players Super Bowl Rings. It it's working as intended, it's not a bug.

If that's the case and someone can show that some active players aren't receiveing rings, then that would be a bug.

jbmagic · 12-28-2004, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Because he probably purposely programmed it to give only the 46 active players Super Bowl Rings. It it's working as intended, it's not a bug.

If that's the case and someone can show that some active players aren't receiveing rings, then that would be a bug.

it dont make any sense

what if you had some key players with injuries in week 16 and you put him off the active roster...

your telling me he dont deserve the ring? he started for 16 weeks and he gets a bad injury and i going to tell this player sorry you dont get a superbowl ring because you not on the active 46 man roster...

Raiders Army · 12-28-2004, 03:07 PM

After thinking this over for a while, I guess I can roll with it. I realize that it's not a bug, but a design decision like Skydog said. I guess it's like the Bowl MVP. Sometimes the Bowl MVP is not the guy who kicked the winning 54 yard field goal in overtime or the guy who ran for 250 yards with no touchdowns...it's some other guy. You can't control it. Just like if your leading tackler for the season is out for the game it won't show up on his "card" as him winning the Championship ring.

Yossarian · 12-28-2004, 03:37 PM

CTHomer..

You miss my point.

i was saying that if the intent was to model that accurately then there would be more than 46 given out.

IE.
If (accurately model how the NFL gives out rings ) then (give out more than 46)

You say its not a bug because the "It it's working as intended" - well in that case it was NOT intended to (accurately model how the NFL gives out rings ).

I must add that I don't care either way whether we track the 46 of the 53 (+IR)

Suicane75 · 12-28-2004, 03:44 PM

I cant imagine why, all things being equal, he would program it so that only the 46 active players get rings. If its a case of not being able to program it I can understand, but if its just a decision not to do it than I don't understand it all.

Suicane75 · 12-28-2004, 03:54 PM

If my QB of 13 years goes down, and is inactive during the playoff run, the only SB he's ever been a part of winning, and he doesnt get a ring, that would cheese me off.

CraigSca · 12-28-2004, 03:57 PM

Sounds like a design decision to me. I don't know his data structures, but it would probably be just as easy to cycle through all players on the roster as opposed to just the active list.

Dutch · 12-28-2004, 06:31 PM

Speaking of bad-luck, this reminds me of QB Josh Baxter in my Band of Brothers II Dynasty. While following the travels of Josh Baxter, he started in 174 games including playoffsduring his first 12 years in the league. He missed 18 games during that span and 2 of them were Super Bowls (he was injured). During his first 12 years with the Bengals the team threw a collective 199 passes during the playoffs, but just 28 of those were by QB Baxter. A complete flip-flop from regular season to playoffs.

Fortunately his luck finally changed in the years following...a little. But he would never end up with a championship ring under this setting.

cthomer5000 · 12-28-2004, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

CTHomer..

You miss my point.

i was saying that if the intent was to model that accurately then there would be more than 46 given out.

IE.
If (accurately model how the NFL gives out rings ) then (give out more than 46)

You say its not a bug because the "It it's working as intended" - well in that case it was NOT intended to (accurately model how the NFL gives out rings ).

I must add that I don't care either way whether we track the 46 of the 53 (+IR)

I understand your point 100%. I was just responded to your question about why it isn't considered a bug.

You might not agree with how the game does the rings, but by definition it is not a bug.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-28-2004, 08:25 PM

Jim has said many times that he is not trying to depict the NFL in FOF or the NCAA in TCY. If he feels that only 46 players should get rings, that's the way it's going to be. Then again, he also hasn't said that he meant to design it this way, so maybe we should wait for a response from him.

Solecismic · 12-28-2004, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Jim has said many times that he is not trying to depict the NFL in FOF or the NCAA in TCY. If he feels that only 46 players should get rings, that's the way it's going to be. Then again, he also hasn't said that he meant to design it this way, so maybe we should wait for a response from him.

If you're going to quote me, please provide the source. I really hate this urban legend b.s., because it spreads quickly, and people believe it.

The original quote referred specifically to academics in TCY. I said I understood that most colleges couldn't care less whether their athletes could even read or write, but I thought it added to the game to make their academic performance count for something. So I said my goal was not to perfectly recreate the NCAA.

I have not said anything remotely like what you quoted "many times", or even once.

That quote has been misused so much over the last few years it has a life of its own. Never said anything like it about FOF, though I do make a boatload of decisions that aren't completely realistic, like not including all of the NFL's contract rules, or not allowing coaches to be fired mid-season, or saying that quarterback X can't learn the Pro Formation variation with three wideouts instead of two until a future training camp. I do this in order to simplify things for the purposes of presenting a game that people can enjoy, or that I can handle programming.

As for championship rings, you have to take the field during the championship game to earn one in FOF. Just a design decision. While my goal IS to recreate the NFL, I'm taking a little poetic license here, and that's the way it's going to stay. No half-rings, no three-quarter rings, no voting, no sympathy rings for gimpy quarterbacks. You play the game, you get one. You watch, you don't.

If I had known that decision would cause controversy, or worse, spread that awful misquoting of my academic comments on TCY, believe me, I never would have added it with the last patch.

Buccaneer · 12-28-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

like not including all of the NFL's contract rules,

Like what for instance?

[ducks]

DaddyTorgo · 12-28-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

If you're going to quote me, please provide the source. I really hate this urban legend b.s., because it spreads quickly, and people believe it.

The original quote referred specifically to academics in TCY. I said I understood that most colleges couldn't care less whether their athletes could even read or write, but I thought it added to the game to make their academic performance count for something. So I said my goal was not to perfectly recreate the NCAA.

I have not said anything remotely like what you quoted "many times", or even once.

That quote has been misused so much over the last few years it has a life of its own. Never said anything like it about FOF, though I do make a boatload of decisions that aren't completely realistic, like not including all of the NFL's contract rules, or not allowing coaches to be fired mid-season, or saying that quarterback X can't learn the Pro Formation variation with three wideouts instead of two until a future training camp. I do this in order to simplify things for the purposes of presenting a game that people can enjoy, or that I can handle programming.

As for championship rings, you have to take the field during the championship game to earn one in FOF. Just a design decision. While my goal IS to recreate the NFL, I'm taking a little poetic license here, and that's the way it's going to stay. No half-rings, no three-quarter rings, no voting, no sympathy rings for gimpy quarterbacks. You play the game, you get one. You watch, you don't.

If I had known that decision would cause controversy, or worse, spread that awful misquoting of my academic comments on TCY, believe me, I never would have added it with the last patch.

AND SO SPEAKETH THE MOUTH OF SAURON!!! (oh wait...we're not in Tolkien-world)

Solecismic · 12-28-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Like what for instance?

[ducks]

Deion rule, for one. Or the entire system of restricted free agency and qualifying offers. I don't even understand the Deion rule completely myself, and my guess is that no one outside of Deion himself really cares about it.

I'm coming down hard on Pumpy not because I think he's some sort of bastard spawn of satan, because I don't.

I want people to remember that damned quote properly. This misperception really can screw with my ability to sell the game.

sabotai · 12-28-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

If I had known that decision would cause controversy, or worse, spread that awful misquoting of my academic comments on TCY, believe me, I never would have added it with the last patch.

No controversey, just that no one knew if it was design decision or a bug.

Yossarian · 12-28-2004, 10:03 PM

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no sympathy rings for gimpy quarterbacks

:-)

duckman · 12-28-2004, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Pumpy is some sort of bastard spawn of satan.

I can't believe Jim said this.

Flasch186 · 12-28-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Deion rule, for one. Or the entire system of restricted free agency and qualifying offers. I don't even understand the Deion rule completely myself, and my guess is that no one outside of Deion himself really cares about it.

I'm coming down hard on Pumpy not because I think he's some sort of bastard spawn of satan, because I don't.

I want people to remember that damned quote properly. This misperception really can screw with my ability to sell the game.

I like seeing the rings there...gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling...

sovereignstar · 12-28-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

I like seeing Dubya in office...gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling...

Dutch · 12-28-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

I like Donny Rumsfeld giving me crazy quotes to talk about at the next Battle Star Gallatica convention...gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling...

Pumpy Tudors · 12-28-2004, 11:54 PM

Wow, I apologize. OK, I do remember that idea from the academics in TCY. Given that there are a few things (that were mentioned in Jim's above post) that are not the same as the NFL, I connected that TCY academics notion with several aspects of both games. I'm terribly sorry.

Obviously, it's been a misconception on my part, but I didn't ever play the FOF games to try to simulate the NFL. I just saw it as an NFL-like football world. While I understand that I'm free to interpret the game any way I want to, I was dead wrong for ever thinking that Jim presented it that way. I didn't mean to stir anything up, and I wish I could take it back.

Again, I'm sorry.

Solecismic · 12-29-2004, 12:23 AM

Don't worry about it. I don't blame you, it's been so oft repeated I almost believe it myself now.

I just made a big deal about it because I wanted people to remember me denying it. In the past, I've just offered an occasional clarification, and it hasn't helped much.

If it helps, the AI goofs once in awhile during the end-game are also an attempt to simulate NFL coaching. Yep, I keep telling myself that.

Anthony · 12-29-2004, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

If it helps, the AI goofs once in awhile during the end-game are also an attempt to simulate NFL coaching. Yep, I keep telling myself that.

well, fortunately for you Mike Martz exists.

Ragone · 12-29-2004, 04:42 AM

I keep hoping Jim will put in a yes/no toggle for Mike Martz Endgame AI at the start of a new universe

honestly crazy decisions are made all the time in the nfl.. and i like to think they all even out in the end.. i'm sure we've all benefited from them as much as they have screwed us

MizzouRah · 12-29-2004, 06:08 PM

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or not allowing coaches to be fired mid-season

Damn you Jim!

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well, fortunately for you Mike Martz exists.

Damn you Jim!

Todd

primelord · 12-29-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

well, fortunately for you Mike Martz exists.

He didn't say the AI occasionally forgets that his best player has played the entire game.

12-28-2004, 06:15 AM	#2
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I've noticed it, too. It sounds like a design decision to me, rather than a bug. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

12-28-2004, 09:27 AM	#5
tategter High School JV Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida Swampland	I seem to remember a rule in the NFL where you actually have to play at least one down in the Super Bowl to get a ring. This comes to mind because many years ago I was watching a Super Bowl and the winning team never punted. On one of the last plays of the game they let the punter play safety for one play so that he could get his ring. Last edited by tategter : 12-28-2004 at 09:27 AM.

12-28-2004, 09:54 AM	#8
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Laces out! __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

12-28-2004, 10:19 AM	#10
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	The whole Patriot front office and staff got one down to the mailroom guys. I'm pretty sure they didn't get in the game last year. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

12-28-2004, 10:26 AM	#11
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	EVERY player from the roster gets his SuperBowl ring. Last time the Patriots won it all, WR J.J Stokes (who had been signed a couple of weeks before the SuperBowl to fill in and didn't even play a down in the big game) received his own New England Patriots SuperBowl ring. __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

12-28-2004, 06:40 AM	#3
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	But what if I have a player that was a "franchise" player who played all 16 games, got hurt, and is now inactive? Shouldn't he deserve a championship ring on his bio? Personally, I'm just glad that the rings are being tracked, but to me, I'd rather have it work for everyone.

12-28-2004, 10:31 AM	#12
tategter High School JV Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida Swampland	OK, maybe I remembered it wrong. Keep in mind this was almost 20 years ago and I distinctly remember the punter playing a down at safety. I also remember the announcers pointing it out and saying it was because it was the only way to get his ring. The NFL has changed a lot since then. Then again I can barely remember what the hell I did yesterday, so it is entirely possible I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

12-28-2004, 10:55 AM	#15
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Being a Brit, I know Scott McCready got a SB ring while he was only on the Pats practice squad...

12-28-2004, 11:42 AM	#17
tategter High School JV Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida Swampland	No matter what the problem with SB rings turns-out to be I really hope nobody makes a big deal about it to Jim. The man gave us a really cool feature out of the blue for free.

12-28-2004, 02:12 PM	#21
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	thus the word "usually" __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

12-28-2004, 03:07 PM	#25
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	After thinking this over for a while, I guess I can roll with it. I realize that it's not a bug, but a design decision like Skydog said. I guess it's like the Bowl MVP. Sometimes the Bowl MVP is not the guy who kicked the winning 54 yard field goal in overtime or the guy who ran for 250 yards with no touchdowns...it's some other guy. You can't control it. Just like if your leading tackler for the season is out for the game it won't show up on his "card" as him winning the Championship ring.

12-28-2004, 03:37 PM	#26
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	CTHomer.. You miss my point. i was saying that if the intent was to model that accurately then there would be more than 46 given out. IE. If (accurately model how the NFL gives out rings ) then (give out more than 46) You say its not a bug because the "It it's working as intended" - well in that case it was NOT intended to (accurately model how the NFL gives out rings ). I must add that I don't care either way whether we track the 46 of the 53 (+IR)

12-28-2004, 03:44 PM	#27
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I cant imagine why, all things being equal, he would program it so that only the 46 active players get rings. If its a case of not being able to program it I can understand, but if its just a decision not to do it than I don't understand it all.

12-28-2004, 03:54 PM	#28
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	If my QB of 13 years goes down, and is inactive during the playoff run, the only SB he's ever been a part of winning, and he doesnt get a ring, that would cheese me off.

12-28-2004, 03:57 PM	#29
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	Sounds like a design decision to me. I don't know his data structures, but it would probably be just as easy to cycle through all players on the roster as opposed to just the active list. __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

12-28-2004, 06:31 PM	#30
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Speaking of bad-luck, this reminds me of QB Josh Baxter in my Band of Brothers II Dynasty. While following the travels of Josh Baxter, he started in 174 games including playoffsduring his first 12 years in the league. He missed 18 games during that span and 2 of them were Super Bowls (he was injured). During his first 12 years with the Bengals the team threw a collective 199 passes during the playoffs, but just 28 of those were by QB Baxter. A complete flip-flop from regular season to playoffs. Fortunately his luck finally changed in the years following...a little. But he would never end up with a championship ring under this setting. Last edited by Dutch : 12-28-2004 at 07:56 PM.

12-28-2004, 08:25 PM	#32
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Jim has said many times that he is not trying to depict the NFL in FOF or the NCAA in TCY. If he feels that only 46 players should get rings, that's the way it's going to be. Then again, he also hasn't said that he meant to design it this way, so maybe we should wait for a response from him. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

12-28-2004, 11:54 PM	#43
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Wow, I apologize. OK, I do remember that idea from the academics in TCY. Given that there are a few things (that were mentioned in Jim's above post) that are not the same as the NFL, I connected that TCY academics notion with several aspects of both games. I'm terribly sorry. Obviously, it's been a misconception on my part, but I didn't ever play the FOF games to try to simulate the NFL. I just saw it as an NFL-like football world. While I understand that I'm free to interpret the game any way I want to, I was dead wrong for ever thinking that Jim presented it that way. I didn't mean to stir anything up, and I wish I could take it back. Again, I'm sorry. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor. Last edited by Pumpy Tudors : 12-28-2004 at 11:54 PM.

12-29-2004, 12:23 AM	#44
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Don't worry about it. I don't blame you, it's been so oft repeated I almost believe it myself now. I just made a big deal about it because I wanted people to remember me denying it. In the past, I've just offered an occasional clarification, and it hasn't helped much. If it helps, the AI goofs once in awhile during the end-game are also an attempt to simulate NFL coaching. Yep, I keep telling myself that.

12-29-2004, 04:42 AM	#46
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	I keep hoping Jim will put in a yes/no toggle for Mike Martz Endgame AI at the start of a new universe honestly crazy decisions are made all the time in the nfl.. and i like to think they all even out in the end.. i'm sure we've all benefited from them as much as they have screwed us

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