Randy Moss

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Tisk, tisk tisk...

I'm sure after having Moss walk off the field on that one Gus Frerotte just wants to go bang his head against a wall...

[Tekneek]

Sideline radio guy said Moss was motioned off by a coach.

[maximus]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Sideline radio guy said Moss was motioned off by a coach.

Yup, thats what I heard as well.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Tisk, tisk tisk...

I'm sure after having Moss walk off the field on that one Gus Frerotte just wants to go bang his head against a wall...

This is why I can't help but defend Moss sometimes.

Knee-jerk reactions like this.

[mckerney]

Damn Randy Moss. Screwing up the play by sending that extra offensive lineman in.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

They could carry Moss off the field in pieces and I wouldn't cry for him.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

They could carry Moss off the field in pieces and I wouldn't cry for him.

I'm sure he feels the same about you.

[Ben E Lou]

What's his growing-up background?

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

What's his growing-up background?

I think one can say that he never "grewed up" but do I recall correctly that he has a rap sheet from HS and college? Possession and/or firearms or something like that.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

What's his growing-up background?

In progress.

[Ben E Lou]

OK, let me clarify. My wife was curious if he's from the ghetto, the hood, or the middle class.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

OK, let me clarify. My wife was curious if he's from the ghetto, the hood, or the middle class.

I'm pretty sure he's from West Virginia...does that help? He def. wasn't middle-class.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

They could carry Moss off the field in pieces and I wouldn't cry for him.

Why? What did he ever do to deserve that?

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

I don't mean to be insensitive, but actually Moss grew up in a small town as sort of a black 'redneck' with Jason Williams of the NBA.

[maximus]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

OK, let me clarify. My wife was curious if he's from the ghetto, the hood, or the middle class.

Weren't his parents white? So he was probably upper class.


edit: anyways, I always thought the hood and ghetto were the same type.

[Bomber]

Originally Posted by maximus

Weren't his parents white? So he was probably upper class.

What the hell?

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Yeah, both his parents were caucasian. That would explain why he is indeed, African-American.

[maximus]

Originally Posted by Bo Jackson's Hip

Yeah, both his parents were caucasian. That would explain why he is indeed, African-American.

oh....oh ya, that explains it.

[Ben E Lou]

I'd break the two down a little differently:

ghetto: characterized by virtually all government-assisted apartments

'hood: (contraction of "neighborhood")...ranging from lower-middle-class homeowners to some Section 8 housing. (where I grew up) My mother has a photograph of five boys from my neighborhood when they were around 10 or 11 years old. They're all around 50 now. Where are they now?

Ronnie: moderately successful radio DJ until alcohol problem destroyed his family....putting the pieces back together now

Tony: mid-level executive with a large department store chain, probably approaching $200K per year income

Jerome: not sure if he's in jail or out of jail right now, but he's been in and out a bunch of times, mainly for burglary, since he was in his late teens

Rudy: football scholarship to Ga. Tech, played QB, got his degree and is now a mid-level executive with a large company based in Columbus

Tootsie: shot and killed trying to rob a liquor store when he was in his mid 20's

Basically, the hood tends to produce a much wider variety of results than the ghetto does.

[maximus]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I'd break the two down a little differently:

ghetto: characterized by virtually all government-assisted apartments

'hood: (contraction of "neighborhood")...ranging from lower-middle-class homeowners to some Section 8 housing. (where I grew up) My mother has a photograph of five boys from my neighborhood when they were around 10 or 11 years old. They're all around 50 now. Where are they now?

Ronnie: moderately successful radio DJ until alcohol problem destroyed his family....putting the pieces back together now

Tony: mid-level executive with a large department store chain, probably approaching $200K per year income

Jerome: not sure if he's in jail or out of jail right now, but he's been in and out a bunch of times, mainly for burglary, since he was in his late teens

Rudy: football scholarship to Ga. Tech, played QB, got his degree and is now a mid-level executive with a large company based in Columbus

Tootsie: shot and killed trying to rob a liquor store when he was in his mid 20's

Basically, the hood tends to produce a much wider variety of results than the ghetto does.

lol thanks for the clarification

Sucks that Tootsie got shot though....

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Bo Jackson's Hip

I don't mean to be insensitive, but actually Moss grew up in a small town as sort of a black 'redneck' with Jason Williams of the NBA.

That's not insensitive at all. There are a WHOLE bunch of that type in small towns across the South.

[Ben E Lou]

Actually, come to think about it, there are six boys in that picture. My other older brother is in it as well. He and his wife are both teachers.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by maximus

Sucks that Tootsie got shot though....

I hate to say it, but not really. It is hard to imagine that he would not have eventually tried to rob someone in my family.

Jerome stole from us, and he lived across the street from us. He had the gall to steal Tony's 8-track Stereo (!) out of his car, and then go over to Columbus College and BRAG about it in front of Tony and Tony's frat brothers. He got a pretty good beat-down from some Kappas for that one. When I was a teenager, my father had to keep tabs on when Jerome was in or out of jail, because it determined how we parked our cars. ("Ben, Jerome's out again. I'll pull mama's car up. Park behind her in the driveway when you get home tonight, rather than out on the street.")

[Buccaneer]

http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Moss_Randy.html

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

ghetto: characterized by virtually all government-assisted apartments

'hood: (contraction of "neighborhood")...ranging from lower-middle-class homeowners to some Section 8 housing.

He grew up in the 'hood around Charleston, WV - went to DuPont H.S. (one of the bigger ones in the state) which was your typical mix of middle to low class student. My cousin played football with him on the DuPont team and has always said that he was a great guy. He had a few bumps, though...charged in a fight that started off on racial lines (think Iverson's H.S. brawl in Hampton) due the fact that he was dating a white girl. That got his scholarship to Notre Dame revoked. Signed with FSU and was charged with pot possession (rumored that he was singled out of a group, again, for dating the same white girl). That led to a month's jail time and he had to come back to WVa from FSU. That's how he landed at Marshall.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

S.D. We all know someone like Tootsie... Someone who is either in jail, or a grave, and you feel that the world is a little bit safer.

I grew up with a kid we'll call Ronnie. The boy was just insane. I got along with him, after our only fight (I think I lost, but gave as good as I got. 2nd grade was a long time ago...) In 3rd grade he threw a pair of scissors at the teacher while she was writing and they stuck in the board about two feet from her head. She was visibly shaken, grabbed him by his throat and threw him into the hallway. He got kicked out for that... I last heard he's doing about 20 for selling coke to a cop...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

When I was a teenager, my father had to keep tabs on when Jerome was in or out of jail, because it determined how we parked our cars.

Dang, does every place have somebody like that? There's a guy here in Monticello that everybody keeps track of the same way. Been boosting cars since he was like 14, still trying it in his early 20's, keeps getting caught. And when he's out, phones start ringing to make sure everybody locks their cars.

[korme]

Umm, no, not every place, thank God.

But I ALWAYS lock my car even if I go into a convenient store for 2 minutes.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's see, Randy Moss - beat his gf in HS, was regularly let off of major incidents while in Huntington at Marshall, not a nice guy. Everybody I knew who knew RM but was not a teammate did not like him. That's only like 4 people though, so its a small sample.

-Anxiety

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by VPI97

He grew up in the 'hood around Charleston, WV - went to DuPont H.S. (one of the bigger ones in the state) which was your typical mix of middle to low class student. My cousin played football with him on the DuPont team and has always said that he was a great guy. He had a few bumps, though...charged in a fight that started off on racial lines (think Iverson's H.S. brawl in Hampton) due the fact that he was dating a white girl. That got his scholarship to Notre Dame revoked. Signed with FSU and was charged with pot possession (rumored that he was singled out of a group, again, for dating the same white girl). That led to a month's jail time and he had to come back to WVa from FSU. That's how he landed at Marshall.

I'm pretty sure he failed a drug test while on prohbation for the fight. Not that it's like a massive difference, but I don't know how it would entail him getting singled out at all or anything like that.

[RPI-Fan]

Good thing people aren't jumping to conclusions (i.e. "he's probably from the middle class").

He grew up with just his mom who was extremely poor. He lived in a total redneck town in West Virginia where there was a ton of racism in his high school.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Good thing people aren't jumping to conclusions (i.e. "he's probably from the middle class").

He grew up with just his mom who was extremely poor. He lived in a total redneck town in West Virginia where there was a ton of racism in his high school.

Lets see... are you saying that his family and financial status as a youth, location he grew up in makes it ok for him to be an ass who doesn't show any respect for anything and laughs at a $10,000 fine as "nothing to me?"

In this logic that means that only those who grow up in wealth are to be held accountable for their actions.... "He grew up poor and black in a prejudice environment. We can forgive him for who he is because he's not responsible." Bullshit.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Lets see... are you saying that his family and financial status as a youth, location he grew up in makes it ok for him to be an ass who doesn't show any respect for anything and laughs at a $10,000 fine as "nothing to me?"

In this logic that means that only those who grow up in wealth are to be held accountable for their actions.... "He grew up poor and black in a prejudice environment. We can forgive him for who he is because he's not responsible." Bullshit.

Uhhh, what was it I said about jumping to conclusions?

Please direct me to where I defended Randy Moss in any way whatsoever. All I did in my post was state a couple of facts.

Get a clue.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Lets see... are you saying that his family and financial status as a youth, location he grew up in makes it ok for him to be an ass who doesn't show any respect for anything and laughs at a $10,000 fine as "nothing to me?"

In this logic that means that only those who grow up in wealth are to be held accountable for their actions.... "He grew up poor and black in a prejudice environment. We can forgive him for who he is because he's not responsible." Bullshit.

Umm, a fine is nothing to him. And as for respect, WTF ?

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Uhhh, what was it I said about jumping to conclusions?

Please direct me to where I defended Randy Moss in any way whatsoever. All I did in my post was state a couple of facts.

Get a clue.

OK. I apologize for jumping the gun and thinking you were trying to defend Randy Moss. Please continue stating facts without trying to say anything whatsoever and having no opinion about him that anyone should feel anything about. I can now see exactly where you are not defending him.

Never again will I believe someone is defending someone else by pointing fingers and offering supposed facts about thier past as why they may act the way they do.

I want my children to grow up to be just like Randy Moss. He is a stand up man, who I want to marry my sister. A truly great man. I consider it an honor to share DNA as a human being with this man. (I'm sorry. I can't continue... My eyes are tearing up with joy!)

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

I want to marry my sister

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Good thing people aren't jumping to conclusions (i.e. "he's probably from the middle class").

He grew up with just his mom who was extremely poor. He lived in a total redneck town in West Virginia where there was a ton of racism in his high school.

Although every area in America has its share of racists, and Randy may have had to have dealt with the occasional racist, I would hardly describe his High School or the area with "a ton of racism." I grew up about fifteen miles south of Mr. Moss, and although there were only a handful of non-white people, I cannot remember one single incident, despite having one as a close friend and another as a teammate. In fact, every black adult where I grew up had a position of authority, and everybody loved them, because they were good people.

So, while I am sure that Moss dealt with the occasional idiot, I take serious issue with your characterization of the area.

-Anxiety

P.S. - WV simply is not as rascist as other poor, rural areas may be. Remember, we split off of our state when it seceeded from the union in large part over the issue of slavery. We hated the idea of slavery and what the south stood for so much that we broke off from our state, the only people to do so. For fifty years prior to the Civil War, it was a known fact that Virginian slaveowners specifically avoided travelling with their slaves in modern WV, because there was a tendancy for the slaves to go missing as locals freed them and the law in the area turned a blind eye to slaveowners claiming their "property" was missing.

[Abe Sargent]

Dola - By the way, Randy has just one testicle.

-Anxiety

[Franklinnoble]

What difference does it make where he's from?

Can we stop making excuses, one way or another?

Wherever he was from, he's sure as hell not living in a ghetto now.

Anyhow, I'm not a Moss hater. I actually kind of like him. I was at the Redskins-Vikings game that he walked out on, and, while I didn't see that particular incident, I did notice one thing.

During warm-ups, he played catch with Vikings fans he saw in the stands, posed for pictures, signed autographs, the whole bit. The only one on the team that did so. And I've repeatedly seen him hand the ball off to handicapped kids at the Metrodome after a touchdown.

So, he might be an obnoxious fool at times, but he's not all bad.

The Packers thing was blown way out of proportion, and Fox sports sucks. First of all, he fake-mooned a Packers crowd that REGULARLY drops-trou and moons the visiting team in the parking lot at Lambeau. I thought it was just in good fun.

Second, I saw Brett Favre throw two punches at a guy's head in the second half during an altercation. No flag thrown. No comment by Joe Buck. No mention of it whatsoever.

I'm not one to play the race card here, but, come on...

[Radii]

I really don't get the anger over the "$10,000 is nothing to me" comment. It's sure a lot better than "I gotta feed my family"

Dude makes more money than any of us can ever hope to make and doesn't care about a $10,000 fine, so what?


I won't defend a lot about Randy Moss but i'll defend that, and I'll defend the mooning incident... if any other player had done it, it wouldn't have been blown out of proportion and it would have been regarded as "quite clever" once the story about the packers fans mooning the bus was allowed to come out w/o all the uproar.

Oh, and of course, he was motiioned off the field on the fake field goal. Poor Gus, but don't blame Randy for that one.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Radii

Oh, and of course, he was motiioned off the field on the fake field goal. Poor Gus, but don't blame Randy for that one.

And if he hadn't been, it would've been a penalty for 12 men on the field.

I'll admit that some of the things he does are indefensible, but when he's blamed for everything right away it's just stupid.