PING: Niner Fans - We have a coach...

Logan · 01-17-2005, 11:25 AM

ESPN's "breaking news" says Mike Nolan has accepted the 49ers head coaching job.

Eh.

miami_fan · 01-17-2005, 11:41 AM

Not too sure what to think of this hire. IMO the Ravens' D has gotten worse under his watch. May have more to do with age but it is want it is. I am surprised that they hired a coach before hiring a GM. Ought to be really interesting who they bring in on the personnel side.

rkmsuf · 01-17-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Not too sure what to think of this hire. IMO the Ravens' D has gotten worse under his watch. May have more to do with age but it is want it is. I am surprised that they hired a coach before hiring a GM. Ought to be really interesting who they bring in on the personnel side.

bringing in the coach first is just like the complete opposite of what every other team does.

York is secretly George Costanza.

Franklinnoble · 01-17-2005, 11:43 AM

This is not good news for 'Niners fans.

Nolan is not a very good defensive coordinator.

I think this is another case of the 'Niners hiring someone cheap.

BigJohn&TheLions · 01-17-2005, 11:45 AM

Damn. I have never seen a team want one player so badly. Is Leinart so good that you really need to solidify next year's top pick already?

Cringer · 01-17-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

This is not good news for 'Niners fans.

Nolan is not a very good defensive coordinator.

I think this is another case of the 'Niners hiring someone cheap.

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

Franklinnoble · 01-17-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

I agree... however, the word is that Crennel is a lock for the Browns job already.

Why not Art Shell? Seriously... dude has some Bay Area history...

Why not any of several minority candidates? If you're going to pass on paying big dollars for a proven winner, why not give a shot to, say, Norm Chow? I dunno... this hiring sort of pisses me off, and I'm not even a Niners fan.

rkmsuf · 01-17-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

they said Crennel didn't interview as well out there. not sure whether that came out of 49er camp or not.

miami_fan · 01-17-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

cheap.......and white. Why not wait for Crennel? (sp?)

As much as he wants to be a head coach, should he really leave the Pats to take the Niners job? I mean even the Browns job is more attractive (which he should get for sure!)

rkmsuf · 01-17-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I agree... however, the word is that Crennel is a lock for the Browns job already.

Why not Art Shell? Seriously... dude has some Bay Area history...

Why not any of several minority candidates? If you're going to pass on paying big dollars for a proven winner, why not give a shot to, say, Norm Chow? I dunno... this hiring sort of pisses me off, and I'm not even a Niners fan.

It's not off the wall though. Clearly defense is what the 49ers need and Nolan has been in the mix elsewhere.

As far as Art Shell I think his time has passed.

jetpunk2000 · 01-17-2005, 11:54 AM

Weird. I was listening to ESPN radio yesterday and they said that John York wants to hire some coordinator who is really into moneyball and apparently York was considering trying out a football equivalent. I forget what coordinator it was, possibly a Titans coordinator, but I didn't even see his name mentioned in the article on Nolan. So, once again, ESPN had their heads up their ass.

miami_fan · 01-17-2005, 11:59 AM

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

rkmsuf · 01-17-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

There isn't. The guy is a loon.

I think a good cap manager would be a start. I honestly think he's searching for a more "Pats" approach to team building.

Cringer · 01-17-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I agree... however, the word is that Crennel is a lock for the Browns job already.

Why not Art Shell? Seriously... dude has some Bay Area history...

Why not any of several minority candidates? If you're going to pass on paying big dollars for a proven winner, why not give a shot to, say, Norm Chow? I dunno... this hiring sort of pisses me off, and I'm not even a Niners fan.

True, forgot about Crennel and the Browns.

As far as Art Shell, I have been waiting forever for that guy to get another shot. He doesn't even get interviews......

miami_fan · 01-17-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

True, forgot about Crennel and the Browns.

As far as Art Shell, I have been waiting forever for that guy to get another shot. He doesn't even get interviews......

He did interview with the Dolphins before they hired Saban

jetpunk2000 · 01-17-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it.

Crapshoot · 01-17-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jetpunk2000

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it.

When you make inane statements like this, you aren't arguing - you're talking about something you dont understand.

Alan T · 01-17-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jetpunk2000

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it.

I thought the Red Sox had taken a "moneyball" approach this year and did ok?

Maybe my impression of moneyball is different than others... I thought moneyball in baseball wasnt a code word for being cheap or not spending money. I thought it was how you spent the money or what you spent it on to spend it wiser?

Now a football equivalent of this? Doesnt seem to make as much sense to me since all teams spend equal... I guess it would be to look at specific qualities of a player or stats that are overlooked to get bargains... I honestly don't know what those would be... I don't think many people have put a finger on the Patriot's success without stars other than pointing at great coaching perhaps. If that was the case, a moneyball approach in football might be to target a great coach that builds up a team concept rather than stars.. But if thats the case, this move would puzzle me as a niners fan..

I guess I have no clue though

cthomer5000 · 01-17-2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

In a statistical sense I really don't know. In a general sense I could see a team operating a bit more like the Patriots or pre-2004 Eagles. Just don't dole out the big bucks unless the guy is proven AND young. And when in doubt sign a bunch of cheap veterans and see what sticks in training camp.

miami_fan · 01-17-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jetpunk2000

Well, seeing as how "Moneyball" hasn't exactly been proven to work in baseball, I can't understand why other sports would want to adopt it. (Well, other than to be cheap). I think the next couple of years are the big test for the Moneyball theory. Beane has traded 2/3 of the holy trinity. If he continues to have success, he might have a lot more believers. I still don't buy into it, though. Judging by the success, or lack thereof of DePodesta (yea it';s only one year, I know) and Riccardi, maybe Beane was just lucky. Please, don't turn this into a moneyball thread though, I'm tired of arguing against it.

Actually I was looking more towards the personnel traits (college players as opposed to high school etc.) and "alternative" stats that York would be looking. I mean the financial parts of the theory are kinda of irrelevant when you already have a hard salary cap. I have not read the book as yet so I do not know the nuts and bolts of Beane's thinking. But I am not seeing where his philosophies would be needed in the NFL

Yossarian · 01-17-2005, 12:28 PM

I'm guessing its not too long before

http://images.google.com/images?q=mi...ff&sa=N&tab=wi

returns some images.

wishbone · 01-17-2005, 12:39 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3330452

Daimyo · 01-17-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory?

Serious question

The "Moneyball theory" is basically to look for and find value that other's overlook and undervalue. Basically to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing before everyone else catches on. That can be applied to any sport or area of life.

OBP/walks just happened to be the undervalued thing they found back then, but other than that has very little to do with the core of Moneyball. In fact now that it's so hyped a a true Moneyball team would probably not be built around OBP anymore.

maximus · 01-17-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

ESPN's "breaking news" says Mike Nolan has accepted the 49ers head coaching job.

Eh.

Alright! The 49ers are still gonna suck.

(although as a bear fan I can't say to much myself)

kingfc22 · 01-17-2005, 01:49 PM

Tell me that John York sells the team. Then I will be a happy 49ers fan again.

maximus · 01-17-2005, 02:03 PM

John York

Thats the 49ers biggest problem.

Its the same way with the Bears, the McCaskeys ran that football club into the ground.

AgustusM · 01-17-2005, 02:24 PM

http://www.dumpyork.com/index.html

jetpunk2000 · 01-17-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

When you make inane statements like this, you aren't arguing - you're talking about something you dont understand.

Please tell me what exactly is inane about my statement, since you are obviously an expert.

Sharpieman · 01-17-2005, 04:11 PM

oh man...this is just...oh man.

Sharpieman · 01-17-2005, 04:20 PM

The only good thing about this is that once the Niners continue to suck for the next 3 years the pressure might become too much for John York and he might quit and hand the owner job to someone else in the Debartolo family. I can only hope.

BTW the way ^*&%)^(^&#@^(&^@#$&@#$#$ YORK!

01-17-2005, 11:45 AM	#5
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	Damn. I have never seen a team want one player so badly. Is Leinart so good that you really need to solidify next year's top pick already? __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

01-17-2005, 01:49 PM	#25
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Tell me that John York sells the team. Then I will be a happy 49ers fan again. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

01-17-2005, 02:03 PM	#26
maximus Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Where the system is screwed	John York Thats the 49ers biggest problem. Its the same way with the Bears, the McCaskeys ran that football club into the ground. Last edited by maximus : 01-17-2005 at 02:05 PM.

01-17-2005, 11:41 AM	#2
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Not too sure what to think of this hire. IMO the Ravens' D has gotten worse under his watch. May have more to do with age but it is want it is. I am surprised that they hired a coach before hiring a GM. Ought to be really interesting who they bring in on the personnel side.

01-17-2005, 11:43 AM	#4
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	This is not good news for 'Niners fans. Nolan is not a very good defensive coordinator. I think this is another case of the 'Niners hiring someone cheap.

01-17-2005, 11:54 AM	#11
jetpunk2000 Waterboy Forever Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Oceanside NY	Weird. I was listening to ESPN radio yesterday and they said that John York wants to hire some coordinator who is really into moneyball and apparently York was considering trying out a football equivalent. I forget what coordinator it was, possibly a Titans coordinator, but I didn't even see his name mentioned in the article on Nolan. So, once again, ESPN had their heads up their ass.

01-17-2005, 11:59 AM	#12
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	What exactly would be the football equivalent to the "Moneyball" theory? Serious question

01-17-2005, 12:28 PM	#21
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	I'm guessing its not too long before http://images.google.com/images?q=mi...ff&sa=N&tab=wi returns some images.

01-17-2005, 12:39 PM	#22
wishbone High School JV Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hillsboro OR	http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3330452

01-17-2005, 02:24 PM	#27
AgustusM College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2003	http://www.dumpyork.com/index.html

01-17-2005, 04:11 PM	#29
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	oh man...this is just...oh man.

01-17-2005, 04:20 PM	#30
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	The only good thing about this is that once the Niners continue to suck for the next 3 years the pressure might become too much for John York and he might quit and hand the owner job to someone else in the Debartolo family. I can only hope. BTW the way ^*&%)^(^&#@^(&^@#$&@#$#$ YORK!

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