Game Franchises that they screwed up....

bob · 01-25-2005, 08:26 AM

I've been playing Commandos 3 recently, and it made me think how bad they messed up this series. The first two games (Behind Enemy Lines and Beyond the Call of Duty) were difficult but great games, but the last two were needless complex and definitely not user friendly.

Unfortunately, I can't play the old ones any more because they run WAY too fast on my current PC.

Any other game franchises you can think of that were really good that they messed up in further versions?

sachmo71 · 01-25-2005, 08:31 AM

Masters Of ORion

Franklinnoble · 01-25-2005, 09:35 AM

Front Page Sports Football Pro.

End of list.

Yossarian · 01-25-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bob

Unfortunately, I can't play the old ones any more because they run WAY too fast on my current PC.

http://wiw.org/~jess/turbo.html

With this program you can temporarily slow down your pc and run old games at normal speed.

FBPro · 01-25-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Front Page Sports Football Pro.

End of list.

NO DOUBT!!!

bob · 01-25-2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Yossarian

http://wiw.org/~jess/turbo.html

With this program you can temporarily slow down your pc and run old games at normal speed.

Do these programs work well (no side effects or anything)? Does this just clog up the system by sending a lot of NO-OP commands to the processor?

Bob

Yossarian · 01-25-2005, 10:25 AM

i dont know what exact commands are run but its just a loop afaik

I've used it hunners of times

Swaggs · 01-25-2005, 11:57 AM

Baseball Stars

Anyone who played Baseball Stars II knows what I'm talking about.

Critch · 01-25-2005, 11:59 AM

High Heat - each year worse than the one before.

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Front Page Sports Football Pro.

End of list.

Amen

JeeberD · 01-25-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Baseball Stars

Anyone who played Baseball Stars II knows what I'm talking about.

Sigh...

A-Husker-4-Life · 01-25-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Masters Of ORion

I have to disagree, they have patched MOO3 and now its very playable. It's really a new game, not a sequel and that's how I've played it. I recomend downloading the newest patch and trying it out.....

sachmo71 · 01-25-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by A-Husker-4-Life

I have to disagree, they have patched MOO3 and now its very playable. It's really a new game, not a sequel and that's how I've played it. I recomend downloading the newest patch and trying it out.....

Great!

Masters of Orion

chinaski · 01-25-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

Do these programs work well (no side effects or anything)? Does this just clog up the system by sending a lot of NO-OP commands to the processor?

Bob

Nope, it works great. I use CPUKiller whenever i get my XCOM craving.

Yossarian · 01-25-2005, 02:41 PM

that was the same reason i got the wee app - to play XCom. Then i got the XCom collector's version and it runs fine without artificial slowdown.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-25-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by A-Husker-4-Life

I have to disagree, they have patched MOO3 and now its very playable. It's really a new game, not a sequel and that's how I've played it. I recomend downloading the newest patch and trying it out.....

When was the most recent patch? The first patch helped but there were still significant problems with multiplayer code.

(Setting aside that IMO there were some design missteps as well, which gradually put me off the game.)

Blackadar · 01-25-2005, 07:03 PM

Agree with the choices listed above, and adding a few more:

Ultima
HOMM
Civ (not totally, but some)
EA NHL Hockey

stevew · 01-25-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Baseball Stars

Anyone who played Baseball Stars II knows what I'm talking about.

Baseball Stars 2 was like getting kicked in the nuts.

Draft Dodger · 01-25-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Critch

High Heat - each year worse than the one before.

seconded

Fonzie · 01-25-2005, 08:01 PM

Master of Orion
Front Page Sports Football
Baseball Mogul

The problem with BM had less to do with it getting "screwed up" with subsequent releases than it had to do with being "completely unchanged" from the original. But like MOO and FPS:F it is a series that has lost my interest entirely.

A-Husker-4-Life · 01-26-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

When was the most recent patch?

The most recent patch is version 1.25 and it was released July 2003. It has made the game very playable, also MOO3 is a very different game. The game now does alot of little things for you and you have to Macromanage it, not Micromanage. Think of it as, you are the Lord of you Race and you control everything a leader would. This means, you don't need to control every little facet of your empire, just set your preferences and watch your race grow. Now if you are into Micromanagement, just Turn the AI control off and be very careful because your empire can get out of whack.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-26-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by A-Husker-4-Life

The most recent patch is version 1.25 and it was released July 2003. It has made the game very playable, also MOO3 is a very different game. The game now does alot of little things for you and you have to Macromanage it, not Micromanage. Think of it as, you are the Lord of you Race and you control everything a leader would. This means, you don't need to control every little facet of your empire, just set your preferences and watch your race grow. Now if you are into Micromanagement, just Turn the AI control off and be very careful because your empire can get out of whack.

You know. I paid good money for MOO3. I really should give it another try with this patch just to see how it plays.

A-Husker-4-Life · 01-26-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

You know. I paid good money for MOO3. I really should give it another try with this patch just to see how it plays.

I also paid full price for Moo3

and I hated the game, it just wouldn't play right. Now with this patch, it plays pretty good...

Mr. Wednesday · 01-26-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by A-Husker-4-Life

The most recent patch is version 1.25 and it was released July 2003.

I should check and see if that's the last one I had. If they got another patch out, maybe they fixed some of the outstanding multiplayer issues. Ideally, maybe they even fixed the severe brokenness in the combat engine (edit: like how the ECM and cloaking system is completely fvcked).

Quote:

...also MOO3 is a very different game. The game now does alot of little things for you and you have to Macromanage it, not Micromanage. Think of it as, you are the Lord of you Race and you control everything a leader would. This means, you don't need to control every little facet of your empire, just set your preferences and watch your race grow. Now if you are into Micromanagement, just Turn the AI control off and be very careful because your empire can get out of whack.

I'm aware of this. I have some pretty major problems with how the AI macromanages things, I think there are issues with the design of the player interaction with the AI and I think there are fundamental problems with the ways in which the player exercises control over the development of planets. In particular, I think the AI is completely incompetent at managing the impact of technological development on planetary productivity, it's a major PITA in the late game to go through and rip out the excess mining and farming DEAs that I no longer need because I'm running huge surplusses.

Calis · 01-26-2005, 12:29 PM

Agree with a lot of those already said.

Probably the most dissapointing sequel for me though was Myth 3, after how much I loved the first two it was a huge letdown.

Man I wish Bungie would make a new one, such great games.

Coffee Warlord · 01-26-2005, 12:34 PM

Not as severe, but Red Baron. I'll never understand why they decided to take out all the little things that made the first so damn fun.

BYU 14 · 01-26-2005, 03:23 PM

Front page sports Football for sure, that was by far the best combination of Graphics and management until they tanked it!

The Fallout series, just because they let it die.

TazFTW · 01-26-2005, 03:32 PM

Last I heard, Fallout 3 is in development by Bethesda.

As for the topic, Leisure Suit Larry and the X-Wing/Tie Fighter space combat sims from LucasArts as X-Wing Alliance blew. I'd be happy if they just updated the graphics for both those games.

sabotai · 01-26-2005, 04:21 PM

Tie Fighter....I spent MANY MANY hours playing that game. Definately a top 10 all-time for me.

j51 · 01-26-2005, 05:03 PM

Deus Ex: Invisible War. The sequel to my favorite game of all time sold out and bastardized for the Xbox. They're practically giving it away now at EB Games.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-26-2005, 09:00 PM

Interesting, I thought X-Wing Alliance was awesome. Obviously, YMMV.

johneh · 01-27-2005, 06:51 AM

X-Com because I can't get the $#%$#@%#$! thing to run on XP
(Bill Gates fault)

Yossarian · 01-27-2005, 07:30 AM

visit the abandonia site, they have an xp-compliant version

johneh · 01-27-2005, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yossarian

visit the abandonia site, they have an xp-compliant version

Link?

Yossarian · 01-27-2005, 09:39 AM

http://www.abandonia.com

G-Man · 01-27-2005, 12:40 PM

Because they haven't made it yet!!!

BYU 14 · 01-27-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Last I heard, Fallout 3 is in development by Bethesda.

As for the topic, Leisure Suit Larry and the X-Wing/Tie Fighter space combat sims from LucasArts as X-Wing Alliance blew. I'd be happy if they just updated the graphics for both those games.

I read that and I am holding out hope, but I have been disappointed too many times in the past so I am taking a wait and see approach....with fingers crossed.

Mr. Wednesday · 01-30-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by A-Husker-4-Life

The most recent patch is version 1.25 and it was released July 2003. It has made the game very playable.

Matter of opinion. A boatload of things are still very fundamentally broken, which was why I finally walked away.

I went back and looked into the state of things again, because I didn't remember whether 1.25 was the last patch I had used or not. The picture is a lot less flattering even than it was back then, at least then, IGtari and QSI had recently made an attempt to fix the game. Since then, they've basically decided not to throw good money after bad and they'll be very happy with the profit they made, thank you very much. I suppose I bear some responsibility for that, having bought the game based on pre-release information and expectations and missing the more ominous rumblings right near release. Well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me; if they ever do a MOO4, not only will I not buy it, I will actively encourage other people not to buy it either.

About the only redemption here is that a guy with way too much time on his hands and an unreasonable amount of skill hacking disassembly has engaged in direct patching of the MOO3 executable and succeeded in fixing some of the bugs that QSI were too incompetent to handle and IGtari has no interest in handling. Maybe I'll get a halfway decent game out of it then... I'm sure a number of the design problems will still annoy me, but there may still be a fundamentally enjoyable game.

ice4277 · 01-30-2005, 12:30 PM

Any EA Sports series other than FIFA.

Rizon · 01-30-2005, 12:54 PM

Hardball

MJ4H · 01-30-2005, 01:04 PM

any ea sports series period.

Bad-example · 01-30-2005, 03:38 PM

Rollercoaster Tycoon

Karlifornia · 01-30-2005, 09:10 PM

Make My Video for Sega CD

Greyroofoo · 01-30-2005, 09:18 PM

definitely the X-Com series. I was very hopeful for the series because I loved the first three games (though now I can't get any of the to work on my comp). However my faith started to waver when X-Com Interceptor came. I enjoyed the game but it had plenty of flaws.
I had really high hopes for X-Com: Alliance, but that got canned or is on permanent hiatus.
And X-COM: Genesis too got the ax early in its environment.
I didn't even bother to pick up Enforcer

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 01-30-2005, 10:30 PM

EA'S Jungle Strike series didn't make the leap to the PS2 or X-BOX. Very big dissappointment.

01-25-2005, 11:57 AM	#8
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01-26-2005, 09:00 PM	#31
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01-27-2005, 12:40 PM	#36
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01-30-2005, 09:10 PM	#43
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01-30-2005, 10:30 PM	#45
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	EA'S Jungle Strike series didn't make the leap to the PS2 or X-BOX. Very big dissappointment. __________________ Toujour Pret

01-25-2005, 08:31 AM	#2
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Masters Of ORion

01-25-2005, 09:35 AM	#3
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Front Page Sports Football Pro. End of list.

01-25-2005, 10:25 AM	#7
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	i dont know what exact commands are run but its just a loop afaik I've used it hunners of times

01-25-2005, 11:59 AM	#9
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	High Heat - each year worse than the one before.

01-25-2005, 02:41 PM	#15
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	that was the same reason i got the wee app - to play XCom. Then i got the XCom collector's version and it runs fine without artificial slowdown.

01-25-2005, 07:03 PM	#17
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Agree with the choices listed above, and adding a few more: Ultima HOMM Civ (not totally, but some) EA NHL Hockey

01-25-2005, 08:01 PM	#20
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Master of Orion Front Page Sports Football Baseball Mogul The problem with BM had less to do with it getting "screwed up" with subsequent releases than it had to do with being "completely unchanged" from the original. But like MOO and FPS:F it is a series that has lost my interest entirely.

01-26-2005, 12:29 PM	#25
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Agree with a lot of those already said. Probably the most dissapointing sequel for me though was Myth 3, after how much I loved the first two it was a huge letdown. Man I wish Bungie would make a new one, such great games.

01-26-2005, 12:34 PM	#26
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Not as severe, but Red Baron. I'll never understand why they decided to take out all the little things that made the first so damn fun.

01-26-2005, 03:23 PM	#27
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Front page sports Football for sure, that was by far the best combination of Graphics and management until they tanked it! The Fallout series, just because they let it die.

01-26-2005, 03:32 PM	#28
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Last I heard, Fallout 3 is in development by Bethesda. As for the topic, Leisure Suit Larry and the X-Wing/Tie Fighter space combat sims from LucasArts as X-Wing Alliance blew. I'd be happy if they just updated the graphics for both those games.

01-26-2005, 04:21 PM	#29
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Tie Fighter....I spent MANY MANY hours playing that game. Definately a top 10 all-time for me.

01-26-2005, 05:03 PM	#30
j51 Mascot Join Date: Oct 2002	Deus Ex: Invisible War. The sequel to my favorite game of all time sold out and bastardized for the Xbox. They're practically giving it away now at EB Games.

01-27-2005, 06:51 AM	#32
johneh Mascot Join Date: Jul 2004	X-Com because I can't get the $#%$#@%#$! thing to run on XP (Bill Gates fault)

01-27-2005, 07:30 AM	#33
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	visit the abandonia site, they have an xp-compliant version

01-27-2005, 09:39 AM	#35
Yossarian High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2003	http://www.abandonia.com

01-30-2005, 12:30 PM	#39
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Any EA Sports series other than FIFA.

01-30-2005, 01:04 PM	#41
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	any ea sports series period.

01-30-2005, 03:38 PM	#42
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	Rollercoaster Tycoon

01-30-2005, 09:18 PM	#44
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	definitely the X-Com series. I was very hopeful for the series because I loved the first three games (though now I can't get any of the to work on my comp). However my faith started to waver when X-Com Interceptor came. I enjoyed the game but it had plenty of flaws. I had really high hopes for X-Com: Alliance, but that got canned or is on permanent hiatus. And X-COM: Genesis too got the ax early in its environment. I didn't even bother to pick up Enforcer

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