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Old 01-25-2005, 09:33 AM   #1
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The Oscar Nominees are...

ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE

Don Cheadle - HOTEL RWANDA
Johnny Depp - FINDING NEVERLAND
Leonardo DiCaprio - THE AVIATOR
Clint Eastwood - MILLION DOLLAR BABY
Jamie Foxx - RAY

ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE

Alan Alda - THE AVIATOR
Thomas Haden Church - SIDEWAYS
Jamie Foxx - COLLATERAL
Morgan Freeman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY
Clive Owen - CLOSER

ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE

Annette Bening - BEING JULIA
Catalina Sandino Moreno - MARIA FULL OF GRACE
Imelda Staunton - VERA DRAKE
Hilary Swank - MILLION DOLLAR BABY
Kate Winslet - ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND

ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE

Cate Blanchett - THE AVIATOR
Laura Linney - KINSEY
Virginia Madsen - SIDEWAYS
Sophie Okonedo - HOTEL RWANDA
Natalie Portman - CLOSER

ANIMATED FEATURE FILM

THE INCREDIBLES
SHARK TALE
SHREK 2

ART DIRECTION

THE AVIATOR
FINDING NEVERLAND
LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS
THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT

CINEMATOGRAPHY

THE AVIATOR
HOUSE OF FLYING DAGGERS
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST
THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT

COSTUME DESIGN

THE AVIATOR
FINDING NEVERLAND
LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS
RAY
TROY

DIRECTING

THE AVIATOR
MILLION DOLLAR BABY
RAY
SIDEWAYS
VERA DRAKE

DOCUMENTARY FEATURE

BORN INTO BROTHELS
THE STORY OF THE WEEPING CAMEL
SUPER SIZE ME
TUPAC: RESURRECTION
TWIST OF FAITH

DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT

AUTISM IS A WORLD
THE CHILDREN OF LENINGRADSKY
HARDWOOD
MIGHTY TIMES: THE CHILDREN'S MARCH
SISTER ROSE'S PASSION

FILM EDITING

THE AVIATOR
COLLATERAL
FINDING NEVERLAND
MILLION DOLLAR BABY
RAY



FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM

AS IT IS IN HEAVEN
THE CHORUS
DOWNFALL
THE SEA INSIDE
YESTERDAY

MAKEUP

LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST
THE SEA INSIDE

MUSIC (SCORE)

FINDING NEVERLAND
HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN
LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST
THE VILLAGE

MUSIC (SONG)

"Accidentally In Love" - SHREK 2
"Al Otro Lado Del Río" - THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES
"Believe" - THE POLAR EXPRESS
"Learn To Be Lonely" - THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
"Look To Your Path (Vois Sur Ton Chemin)" - THE CHORUS

BEST PICTURE

THE AVIATOR
FINDING NEVERLAND
MILLION DOLLAR BABY
RAY
SIDEWAYS

SHORT FILM (ANIMATED)

BIRTHDAY BOY
GOPHER BROKE
GUARD DOG
LORENZO
RYAN

SHORT FILM (LIVE ACTION)

EVERYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY MUST
LITTLE TERRORIST
7:35 IN THE MORNING
TWO CARS, ONE NIGHT
WASP

SOUND EDITING

THE INCREDIBLES
THE POLAR EXPRESS
SPIDER-MAN 2

SOUND MIXING

THE AVIATOR
THE INCREDIBLES
THE POLAR EXPRESS
RAY
SPIDER-MAN 2

VISUAL EFFECTS

HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN
I, ROBOT
SPIDER-MAN 2

WRITING (ADAPTED SCREENPLAY)

BEFORE SUNSET
FINDING NEVERLAND
MILLION DOLLAR BABY
THE MOTORCYCLE DIARIES
SIDEWAYS

WRITING (ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY)

THE AVIATOR
ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND
HOTEL RWANDA
THE INCREDIBLES
VERA DRAKE
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:36 AM   #2
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hmmm, can't help but notice no Best Picture nod for Michael Moore.









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Old 01-25-2005, 09:39 AM   #3
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hmmm, can't help but notice no Best Picture nod for Michael Moore.










I'm a little surprised that he does not even get a documentary nomination? Or did he make himself ineligible for it? Because unless he did, like it or not, it is one of the best selling documentaries of all time so you'd think it would be nominated.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:40 AM   #4
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hmmm, can't help but notice no Best Picture nod for Michael Moore.











I think there was some reason that it didn't qualify for the award. Much like Passion of the Christ.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:46 AM   #5
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I think there was some reason that it didn't qualify for the award. Much like Passion of the Christ.

Why didn't Passion of the Christ qualify?
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:49 AM   #6
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Both qualified but were considered long shots. Michael Moore did allow his to be disqualified for the Documentary category, by playing it on television I believe. Otherwise, I would also think it would have been a definite nomination there. He did it because he thought it would/should get a picture nod.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:52 AM   #7
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How many out of the 5 nominated for best picture have you seen?

Zero here, although I really want to see Sideways.

Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but it seems like the nominees for Best Picture used to be "bigger" well known movies, now they seem to be more "artistic", lesser known films. I'm not complaining about it, just an observation.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:54 AM   #8
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I'm really, really disappointed in no director nomination for Michel Gondry (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind).

I was also hoping against hope for any nomination for Garden State. Oh well, these awards seem to be getting less legit every year.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:55 AM   #9
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Both qualified but were considered long shots. Michael Moore did allow his to be disqualified for the Documentary category, by playing it on television I believe. Otherwise, I would also think it would have been a definite nomination there. He did it because he thought it would/should get a picture nod.

I think there is some arcane rule that a movie cannot be submitted for both documentary and best picture. They went for best picture and missed.

Of course, I could be wrong.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:57 AM   #10
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How many out of the 5 nominated for best picture have you seen?

Zero, with Sideways being the only one I have any real interest in.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:58 AM   #11
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How many out of the 5 nominated for best picture have you seen?

Zero here, although I really want to see Sideways.

Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but it seems like the nominees for Best Picture used to be "bigger" well known movies, now they seem to be more "artistic", lesser known films. I'm not complaining about it, just an observation.

I think it's just because there's no definite leader this year like there has been in years past. It's not unusual for me to have only seen one or two or even none of the nominees since most come out late in the year.

That said, I was hoping either Eternal Sunshine or Collateral would get a picture nod. I really thought both of those were great movies.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:58 AM   #12
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Why didn't Passion of the Christ qualify?

Ditto?
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:00 AM   #13
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I think there is some arcane rule that a movie cannot be submitted for both documentary and best picture. They went for best picture and missed.

Of course, I could be wrong.

No, I think you're right. But there was something about him showing it on television that disqualified it for documentary, if I remember correctly. He did that because he was shooting for picture. I can kind of understand, I suppose. He already had the documentary prize for Bowling. Why not see if he can take it to another level?
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:02 AM   #14
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I'm really, really disappointed in no director nomination for Michel Gondry (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind).

I'm even more disappointed with Carrey not being nominated. I hope the movie will at least win the original screenplay.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:20 AM   #15
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Before Sunset is as smart and artsy as they come, and that only got one nomination...so I don't know how artsy the nominations are getting.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:29 AM   #16
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Saw Sideways, and will be rooting for it. A shade disappointed that Paul Giamatti didn't get a nomination. He was very good.

The sexiest scene I have seen in a movie in quite some time was Virginia Madsen, talking to Paul Giamatti on the porch about wine. It's hard to convey how hot that scene was, epecially since it didn't directly deal with sex at all.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:33 AM   #17
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Of the nominated movies, I've seen the Aviator & Ray. I thought both were good, but not Oscar worthy. With the buzz surrounding Million Dollar Baby, I would be surprised if it didn't sweep everything except for Best Actor, which I'm fairly certain is a lock for Foxx. I have absolutely no interest in seeing MDB, however.

I also saw Hotel Rwanda, and would love to see Cheadle win.

And Alan Alda getting a Best Supporting Actor nom? He played the typical shady Congressman in the Aviator that came straight from the stock character bin.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:41 AM   #18
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I'm even more disappointed with Carrey not being nominated. I hope the movie will at least win the original screenplay.
Me too. It crushes my dream of seeing Carrey and Foxx both nominated in the same year, leading to a much-needed increase to In Living Color rerun frequency.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:51 AM   #19
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Couple of things that stand out to me,

1) No nomination for Giamati or Bacon really pisses me off.

2) Eastwood for best Actor is a stretch I think, I just wasn't overwhelmed by him in MDB.

3) I hope, of the nominees, that Cheadle wins it. I havn't seen the movie but he's been such an underapreciated actor for so long that i'll be rooting for him.

4) I really got into the Oscars the year Magnolia, American Beauty etc came out and enjoyed them very much becuase I thought they tapped the best pictures/actors almost perfectly that season. And every year since then it's gotten worse and worse, some of the crap on this list is mind boggling....ALAN ALDA? I loved the Aviator but come on, that role was, as was stated above, a stock role.
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:17 AM   #20
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How many out of the 5 nominated for best picture have you seen?

Zero here, although I really want to see Sideways.

Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but it seems like the nominees for Best Picture used to be "bigger" well known movies, now they seem to be more "artistic", lesser known films. I'm not complaining about it, just an observation.

ZIP here as well and I would agree with the observation and also curious why this is so.
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:37 AM   #21
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Aviator will win almost all. Hollywood really loves films that talk about hollywood
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WORST YEAR EVER for the Oscars. The fact that Hollywood hates christians and didn't give "The Passion of the Christ" it's due respect makes me sick. I definitely won't be watching this year.
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Well this is gonna turn out good.
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Old 01-25-2005, 12:13 PM   #24
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Well this is gonna turn out good.

Why? Because I voiced an OPINION? Don't worry, I'm not one of you psychos who has all day to spend in pissing matches.
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The Passion of the Christ was filmed in Aramaic, making it a foreign language film - disqualifying it from the overall best picture category. Im not sure why it didnt get nominated for best foreign language film tho. The Sea Inside will win this regardless, even if the Christ was nominated, its beyond superior.

You can only be in one 'Best Picture' Category, Moore did not want F9/11 in the documentary category because he believed it was unfair to the other documentaries. It was not disqualified. The only reason why it did not make Best Picture is due to the fact that all the current nominees came out well after F9/11 debuted... that and it really is a documentary and I couldnt really see it getting nominated because of that. He should have put it in the Docu category anyways, Super Size me is a dumb p.o.s and it will probably win.
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Passion of the Christ couldn't even get nominated for best foreign language film???
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Actually, the best foreign language film was an option for the Golden Globes, but if I remember correctly, Passion is not eligible for the Oscar in that category since it was made by an American production company.
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Why? Because I voiced an OPINION? Don't worry, I'm not one of you psychos who has all day to spend in pissing matches.

Hey Schmidty, it was IMPOSSIBLE for them to give it the nomination.
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Why? Because I voiced an OPINION? Don't worry, I'm not one of you psychos who has all day to spend in pissing matches.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean it as an attack. It's just that after spongebob, well, ya know.
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Passion of the Christ couldn't even get nominated for best foreign language film???


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Who would have thought Jesus Christ and Che Guevara would have so much common? They are the subjects of two of 2004's most-talked-about releases, but neither Mel Gibson's Newmarket drama "The Passion of the Christ" nor Walter Salles' Focus Features biopic "The Motorcycle Diaries," respectively, will compete for the coveted foreign-language feature statuette come Oscar night.

Thanks to complex -- some might say arcane -- rules that continue to baffle and enrage many in Hollywood and beyond, those films and three other acclaimed releases -- Joshua Marston's Fine Line drama "Maria Full of Grace," Jean-Pierre Jeunet's Warner Independent Pictures romancer "A Very Long Engagement" and Pedro Almodovar's Sony Pictures Classics drama "Bad Education" -- are not among official submissions in the foreign-language Oscar race.

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This year's five high-profile ineligible films are so for two reasons: Three did not meet eligibility requirements to represent a single nation -- "Passion," "Maria" (whose writer-director is American and star is Colombian) and "Diaries" (Brazilian director, Mexican-American writer, Mexican star) -- and two were not the official submissions of their respective nations (Alejandro Amenabar's Fine Line drama "The Sea Inside" was picked ahead of "Education" to represent Spain, and Christophe Barratier's Miramax romancer "Les Choristes" was picked ahead of "Engagement" by France).
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Hey Schmidty, it was IMPOSSIBLE for them to give it the nomination.

This isn't true. The following comes from the news story released when Gibson decided not to spend money on an Oscar campaign.

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This isn't true. The following comes from the news story released when Gibson decided not to spend money on an Oscar campaign.

Hmm, i guess youre right as im not so sure now. Maybe I was thinking about the Golden Globes? I knew that was the reason for it not being nominated for one of these dang award shows...
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I'm under the impression that nominees are selected by the pure raw vote of the academy members. There is no "blue-ribbon panel" or anything like that doing the selections. So, many shockers in the nominee list over the years are probably due to the resulting peculiarities when you use a popular vote to determine rankings (much like college football poll voting).
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Thanks to complex -- some might say arcane -- rules that continue to baffle and enrage many in Hollywood and beyond, those films and three other acclaimed releases -- Joshua Marston's Fine Line drama "Maria Full of Grace," Jean-Pierre Jeunet's Warner Independent Pictures romancer "A Very Long Engagement" and Pedro Almodovar's Sony Pictures Classics drama "Bad Education" -- are not among official submissions in the foreign-language Oscar race.

Maria Full of Grace sucked, so i can see how it didnt get the nod - but Motorcycle Diaries, House of Flying Daggers and Bad Education are some of the best movies in the world this year, its more of a shame they didnt get Best Foreign film than PotC.
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Hmm, i guess youre right as im not so sure now. Maybe I was thinking about the Golden Globes? I knew that was the reason for it not being nominated for one of these dang award shows...

Yeah, I think it was the Golden Globes. I think it was ineligible for a GG best picture because it was in a foreign language, making it only eligible for foreign language film at the GGs, but at the Oscars, it's ineligible for foreign film but eligible for picture. Weird stuff.


And I think Klingler is exactly right about the voting procedures.
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For everyone complaining about "The Passion" not getting 'due respect', go to rottentomatoes.com and look at the review score it got. It may have touched you (good for you then), but it wasn't a good film. Sorry, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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Actually, if "Passion" was among the nominated for FL film, it would not have precluded Best Picture. I think both "Crouching Tiger" and "Life is Beautiful" got nods in both categories, though they only wound up runaway winners in the FL category, while losing out in Best Picture.
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Disappointed. One of the better movies I've seen in awhile isn't nominated for Best Picture (Sunshine)... these are the same awards that selected Forest Gump over Shawshank, right? I guess I just don't see eye-to-eye with them.
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For everyone complaining about "The Passion" not getting 'due respect', go to rottentomatoes.com and look at the review score it got. It may have touched you (good for you then), but it wasn't a good film. Sorry, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

And clearly rottentomatoes is the source for quality film reviews...


I think the movie was hit or miss with a lot of people, and I actually don't believe it was necessarily tied to their religious feelings as I would have expected. I know some Christians who didn't like very much, and I know several non-Christians who thought it was outstanding.

And personally, I do think it was a very good film, and I'm not speaking of in only a religious sense. (I also thought Last Temptation of Christ was a good film even though, from a faith standpoint, I disagreed with it entirely.)

Passion was extrememly well-made, well-acted, and poignant. I'm not going to be one of the people who claim it "deserved" a best picture nod as I think there are too many factors to consider when saying that, but to say it wasn't a good film, in my humble opinion, is missing the mark pretty badly.
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Of the nominated movies, I've seen the Aviator & Ray. I thought both were good, but not Oscar worthy. With the buzz surrounding Million Dollar Baby, I would be surprised if it didn't sweep everything except for Best Actor, which I'm fairly certain is a lock for Foxx. I have absolutely no interest in seeing MDB, however.

I also saw Hotel Rwanda, and would love to see Cheadle win.

And Alan Alda getting a Best Supporting Actor nom? He played the typical shady Congressman in the Aviator that came straight from the stock character bin.

I haven't seen Hotel Rwanda, but I think Cheadle is one of the best underrated actors of our generation. He has been in a few bad movies, but he always does a good convincing job in whatever role he is in.
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Old 01-25-2005, 02:54 PM   #43
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Damnit! I just realized Control Room wasnt nominated for Best Documentary > I thought it was much better than F9/11.
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Old 01-26-2005, 08:27 PM   #44
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Before Sunset is as smart and artsy as they come, and that only got one nomination...so I don't know how artsy the nominations are getting.

I was pleasantly surprised with this movie, and really like it, after initially being a bit worried about hearing they were making it (i as a big fan of Before Sunrise).
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Old 01-26-2005, 08:37 PM   #45
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If Fahrenheit 9/11 was filled with disestablishement propaganda and lies and misleading untruths, does that still allow it to be considered for the best non-fiction documentary of any year?

Also, Passion of the Christ was respected to some degree, but painstakingly so, since, according to the atheist left, George Bush invented Jesus. lol.
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Old 01-26-2005, 08:44 PM   #46
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And clearly rottentomatoes is the source for quality film reviews...

Do you even know what rotten tomatoes is?

Actually, most insiders do consider it THE source for quality film reviews.
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Old 01-26-2005, 08:54 PM   #47
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Do you even know what rotten tomatoes is?

Actually, most insiders do consider it THE source for quality film reviews.


Yes, I'm quite aware what rotten tomatoes is, and a number of film outlets that I would consider to be more respected in film reviewing gave Passion much more favorable reviews.
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Old 01-26-2005, 09:01 PM   #48
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Yes, I'm quite aware what rotten tomatoes is, and a number of film outlets that I would consider to be more respected in film reviewing gave Passion much more favorable reviews.

Share your site. Since rottentomatoes averages hundreds of critical reviews, I'd love to find an even better source for reviews.
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Old 01-26-2005, 09:14 PM   #49
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I've been pimping Sideways for for a while in various forums. Glad to see it get its due. Giamatti should have been nominated, though certainly not for his work on SNL last week, blech.
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Share your site. Since rottentomatoes averages hundreds of critical reviews, I'd love to find an even better source for reviews.

What I was trying to say is that rottentomatoes collects a variety of different reviews from other print and web outlets to give a film its score. While I really enjoy the site and go there quite a bit, they include a number of reviews in that score that I would consider to be less reputable than others they include.

When you look at a number of the well-respected reviews individually, from some print outlets like Rolling Stone, Roger Ebert, CNN, Time, or USA Today, you see some fantastic reviews for the film.

I wasn't disparaging rottentomatoes as a whole. I enjoy the site. I was simply commenting about the totality of effect for the review score that was mentioned.
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