Why I KNOW The Eagles Will Lose

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 11:31 AM

just didnt want this buried in another thread, for selfish reasons.

i know the eagles will lose because they paraded the wrong damn trophy around the stadium. they were WAY too happy to just get to the big game.

in hockey, no one will even TOUCH the conference champion trophy, let alone parade it around.

and yes, i know terry bradshaw told them to do it, but still...who does what bradshaw says? i mean, its the wrong freakin' trophy.

defend it all you want, but running that trophy around the field was their kiss of death, and the eagles will lose.

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 11:33 AM

how stupid was that when Bradshaw told him to take a lap of the stadium. I don't even think they wanted to.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-25-2005, 11:34 AM

McNabb definitely doesn't sound happy just to be there. He sounds like a man determined to win the Super Bowl. I think he will keep the team focused as well (not that they need it.) It did not look like the Eagles wanted to run that trophy.

FBPro · 01-25-2005, 11:39 AM

Pats in a cake-walk.

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FBPro

Pats in a cake-walk.

Sooner or later you'll get one of these predictions right.

FBPro · 01-25-2005, 11:46 AM

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 11:50 AM

dola: They're not even allowed to enjoy the moment? That is somehow the kiss of death? That's pure BS. If they lose, it'll be because they are outplayed by the Patriots, whether they were happy to win the NFC or not.

Hell, by that logic the Red Sox shouldn't have won the World Series because of how happy they were to win the ALCS.

Life is too short to allow idiotic superstitions to rule your life. Enjoy the dam moment because you never know what life will bring your way in the future and if you will ever get the chance to celebrate again.

JimboJ · 01-25-2005, 11:55 AM

Sorry, but I just don't buy this "happy to be there crap". Of course, they will be happy to be there, and they'll enjoy all the pre-super bowl hype probably more than the Patriots. But what does that have to do with their performance on the field when its time to kick off? If you know anything about Andy Reid, you know he will have his team as prepared to play as the Pats.

If they lose, it won't be beacuse they are happy to be there.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 12:03 PM

i dont really care WHY they lose. and if i were a philly fan, id think this thread was just dumb.

and i know it looks ridiculous to say, but i personally have no doubt they will lose because of their victory lap with the wrong trophy.

Suicane75 · 01-25-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

i dont really care WHY they lose. and if i were a philly fan, id think this thread was just dumb.

and i know it looks ridiculous to say, but i personally have no doubt they will lose because of their victory lap with the wrong trophy.

What are the lottery numbers gonna be tommorow?

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

i dont really care WHY they lose. and if i were a philly fan, id think this thread was just dumb.

and i know it looks ridiculous to say, but i personally have no doubt they will lose because of their victory lap with the wrong trophy.

So you're guaranteeing something that can never be proven? They may lose because they just aren't good enough but to you it's ONLY because of the victory lap? .............. Strange, just strange..................

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

So you're guaranteeing something that can never be proven? They may lose because they just aren't good enough but to you it's ONLY because of the victory lap? .............. Strange, just strange..................

that's the genius of it

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 12:11 PM

In that case, I am guaranteeing that I will not win the lottery tonight because it snowed over the weekend. Dammit, if it weren't for that snow I would be rich!!!!! I hate mother nature, that bitch!!!!

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 12:51 PM

call it a jinx, if you will..

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 12:51 PM

I christen thee The Pyser Principle.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 12:53 PM

hehe.

just dont play with the wrong trophy. simple as that.

Ajaxab · 01-25-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

just didnt want this buried in another thread, for selfish reasons.

i know the eagles will lose because they paraded the wrong damn trophy around the stadium. they were WAY too happy to just get to the big game.

in hockey, no one will even TOUCH the conference champion trophy, let alone parade it around.

and yes, i know terry bradshaw told them to do it, but still...who does what bradshaw says? i mean, its the wrong freakin' trophy.

defend it all you want, but running that trophy around the field was their kiss of death, and the eagles will lose.

I have always thought that the hockey tradition of not touching the conference champion trophy is one of the best in sports. Sure there are those out there who remember conference champions, but they would be the exception rather than the rule. It would be great if teams in other sports would follow suit in not touching the trophy. No one should be happy just to get there.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 01:37 PM

all the best traditions are in hockey.

every sport should do playoff beards. they are so badass.

Suicane75 · 01-25-2005, 01:38 PM

This is such a dumb...no, not dumb, but superstitious belief, i don't really understand the reasoning.

Yay, I just banged Elle MacPherson and get to move on to the "seduce Cindy Crawford" version of the game. Hell yeah i'm gonna be excited.

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 01:39 PM

I'll bet you there are a ton of those hockey guys that wished they touched the trophy.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 01-25-2005, 01:44 PM

Pats win this one .

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I'll bet you there are a ton of those hockey guys that wished they touched the trophy.

well, again, thats the wrong goal.

i still love that rob neidermeyer hasnt touched the stanley cup, even though his brother has brought it home 3 times. some things are worth waiting for.

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

well, again, thats the wrong goal.

i still love that rob neidermeyer hasnt touched the stanley cup, even though his brother has brought it home 3 times. some things are worth waiting for.

So it's kind of like I ain't kissing you unless we are going to f-ck.

Suicane75 · 01-25-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

well, again, thats the wrong goal.

i still love that rob neidermeyer hasnt touched the stanley cup, even though his brother has brought it home 3 times. some things are worth waiting for.

Romance is for the bedroom.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 02:00 PM

id f-ck the stanley cup.

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

id f-ck the stanley cup.

what if your brother brought it over?

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 02:04 PM

well, that depends. am i a professional hockey player, too?

if i drank enough beer out of the top, id do lots of nasty things to it.

somehow, though, i feel our conversation has taken the thread off topic...

rkmsuf · 01-25-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

well, that depends. am i a professional hockey player, too?

if i drank enough beer out of the top, id do lots of nasty things to it.

somehow, though, i feel our conversation has taken the thread off topic...

I don't know. I'm currently disturbed by the mental imagery of your suggestion.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 02:06 PM

its the holy grail, man. plus, once i shaved off my beard, i looked so damn good in the reflection of the cup....

which is why the eagles will lose!

Desnudo · 01-25-2005, 04:34 PM

I don't think there's any harm in parading a trophy around in front of your fans since it's the last time you'll see them at home that season.

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 05:08 PM

So if you and your wife's goal is to have a kid, you can't enjoy the sex along the way that makes that happen?

I guess the 1980 hockey team was a bunch of morons for celebrating their win over Russia?

I guess in your line of work you can't enjoy any promotion that you receive until you become the CEO?

Those poor stupid NASCAR drivers, they actually celebrate winning an individual race.

This is one of the dumbest things that I have ever heard, it figures that it's a bunch of hockey players that started it.

SackAttack · 01-25-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

i still love that rob neidermeyer hasnt touched the stanley cup.

I hope the bastard never does.

No, really, I'm not a disgruntled Panthers fan. Honest.

Draft Dodger · 01-25-2005, 05:23 PM

the Eagles will get beat, but it has nothing to do with the trophy parade. they just are up against a better team.

Draft Dodger · 01-25-2005, 05:25 PM

although, the Eagles DO deserve to lose just because of that asshat Freddie Mitchell wearing the dorky boxing belt.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-25-2005, 06:06 PM

To all you folks getting defensive over Pyser's original post, it's just superstition talk, people. I guess hockey players (and fans) are more superstitious than football people, but he was just saying. For the Eagles fans, you obviously want your team to win the game, but is there any reason to dismiss the superstition so vehemently?

It's true that NHL teams generally don't touch the conference championship trophy when they win it (although Scott Stevens immediately grabbed the Prince of Wales Trophy in 2003, and his team went on to win the Stanley Cup that season). There's a reason that they won't touch it: it's not what they're playing for. I think that many football players and fans (not necessarily the fans on this board) don't quite understand that concept. Yes, they know that they want to win the Super Bowl, but there's a difference. Football players and fans aren't in it for the Vince Lombardi Trophy. They're in it so they can be called Super Bowl champions. NHL players are in it for the Stanley Cup. It's not all about the title. It's about being literally etched into their sport's history for eternity. The actual trophy means a hell of a lot more to NHL people than it does to NFL people.

I can't speak for Pyser, but I got the impression that he was emphasizing the trophy far more than most football fans would. I don't have a problem with that.

hhiipp · 01-25-2005, 06:14 PM

So if no players from either team in hockey touches the trophy before the Stanley Cup Finals how do they determine a winner? What a stupid superstition.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-25-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hhiipp

So if no players from either team in hockey touches the trophy before the Stanley Cup Finals how do they determine a winner? What a stupid superstition.

Either you're joking or you don't get it.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 08:54 PM

pumpy-

thank you very much. you explained it better than i can. i'm a big hockey fan, so i just took that superstition and applied it to football. well done.

Pyser · 01-25-2005, 08:55 PM

dola

as a big devils fan, i do remember stevens picking up the trophy. he posed for a picture, and put it right back down. people were suprised he even did that much.

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

dola

as a big devils fan, i do remember stevens picking up the trophy. he posed for a picture, and put it right back down. people were suprised he even did that much.

I guess the Devils lost the Stanley Cup that season? They obviously didn't deserve to win since a team member touched the 'wrong' trophy.

Oh, and for the record, I would have this same opinion no matter which team was being talked about. It's just an idiotic hockey tradition. As was asked earlier but never really answered, if neither of the teams touch the Conference Trophy than historically your odds of winning by not touching is 50 percent. With Scott Stevens touching the trophy we know that the odds of winning when touching are at least one for one. I guess this is like the other hockey tradition of orally pleasing a moose after drinking a case of molson before a big game.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-25-2005, 10:20 PM

So this is all just a big potshot at hockey?

Nobody's saying that avoiding the trophy is any kind of guarantee that you'll win a championship. It's all about knowing what you're playing for. I could try to say more, but it'd essentially be a repeat of what I said before.

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 10:32 PM

So being happy about what you've done so far somehow means that you don;t know what you're playing for? That's a pretty sad way to look at life, especially in terms of sports careers that are short. If you don't take the time to stop and smell the roses at each step, you may never get there again to have that chance.

Suicane75 · 01-25-2005, 10:43 PM

It has nothing to do with Hockey, i'd call you all nuts if you told me not to walk in front of a black cat or under a ladder. You can't throw out a superstition and then get defensive when people tell you you are nuts.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-25-2005, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

So being happy about what you've done so far somehow means that you don;t know what you're playing for? That's a pretty sad way to look at life, especially in terms of sports careers that are short. If you don't take the time to stop and smell the roses at each step, you may never get there again to have that chance.

See, I respectfully think that the point still isn't getting across. Not touching the conference championship trophy in the NHL is a superstition, yes. We also understand that there are no cosmic forces that affect whether touching the trophy will change the outcome of the Finals.

I do not mean to imply that conference champions in the NHL or NFL shouldn't be happy or proud of what they've already accomplished. Be happy. Be proud. Enjoy it. When Pyser brought up the trophy thing, I think it was just using that superstition in good fun (which is what most sports superstitions really are, I would hope).

When I said that it's all about knowing what you're playing for, let me again stress that the NHL players are playing for a trophy. They are playing for temporary possession of a physical, tangible object. If you offer them other objects along the way, they will generally refuse. I don't think the same thing applies to NFL players, so applying an NHL superstition to them is a bit silly, but I think that was sort of the point.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-25-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

It has nothing to do with Hockey, i'd call you all nuts if you told me not to walk in front of a black cat or under a ladder. You can't throw out a superstition and then get defensive when people tell you you are nuts.

Then you would be nuts. Thanks!

EagleFan · 01-25-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

It has nothing to do with Hockey, i'd call you all nuts if you told me not to walk in front of a black cat or under a ladder. You can't throw out a superstition and then get defensive when people tell you you are nuts.

What if they were walking under a ladder while holding the trophy and a black cat walked past them?

Pumpy Tudors · 01-25-2005, 11:09 PM

Sorry, maybe I'm starting to take all of this too seriously now (my reply to Suicane75 excepted). Perhaps I should just go back to posting pictures of myself in random threads. Look for 'em.

Pyser · 01-26-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I guess the Devils lost the Stanley Cup that season? They obviously didn't deserve to win since a team member touched the 'wrong' trophy.

theres a big difference between touching a trophy for 3 seconds, and running laps around a stadium with it.

but i think the point has been made.

weinstein7 · 01-26-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

So it's kind of like I ain't kissing you unless we are going to f-ck.

Well, look at it this way....if your ultimate goal is to get some sex, and you start doing your happy dance after getting to first base, well....things probably aren't going to end well. Wait till you've consumated the relationship, and THEN run around the room celebrating as your fans cheer you on. (was that last part over the top?)

rkmsuf · 01-26-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by weinstein7

Well, look at it this way....if your ultimate goal is to get some sex, and you start doing your happy dance after getting to first base, well....things probably aren't going to end well. Wait till you've consumated the relationship, and THEN run around the room celebrating as your fans cheer you on. (was that last part over the top?)

So whipping it out at first base is a bad thing?

01-25-2005, 11:33 AM	#2
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	how stupid was that when Bradshaw told him to take a lap of the stadium. I don't even think they wanted to. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

01-25-2005, 11:34 AM	#3
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	McNabb definitely doesn't sound happy just to be there. He sounds like a man determined to win the Super Bowl. I think he will keep the team focused as well (not that they need it.) It did not look like the Eagles wanted to run that trophy. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

01-25-2005, 11:39 AM	#4
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01-25-2005, 11:46 AM	#6
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	True __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

01-25-2005, 12:11 PM	#13
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	In that case, I am guaranteeing that I will not win the lottery tonight because it snowed over the weekend. Dammit, if it weren't for that snow I would be rich!!!!! I hate mother nature, that bitch!!!! Last edited by EagleFan : 01-25-2005 at 12:11 PM.

01-25-2005, 11:50 AM	#7
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: They're not even allowed to enjoy the moment? That is somehow the kiss of death? That's pure BS. If they lose, it'll be because they are outplayed by the Patriots, whether they were happy to win the NFC or not. Hell, by that logic the Red Sox shouldn't have won the World Series because of how happy they were to win the ALCS. Life is too short to allow idiotic superstitions to rule your life. Enjoy the dam moment because you never know what life will bring your way in the future and if you will ever get the chance to celebrate again.

01-25-2005, 11:55 AM	#8
JimboJ High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2003	Sorry, but I just don't buy this "happy to be there crap". Of course, they will be happy to be there, and they'll enjoy all the pre-super bowl hype probably more than the Patriots. But what does that have to do with their performance on the field when its time to kick off? If you know anything about Andy Reid, you know he will have his team as prepared to play as the Pats. If they lose, it won't be beacuse they are happy to be there.

01-25-2005, 12:03 PM	#9
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	i dont really care WHY they lose. and if i were a philly fan, id think this thread was just dumb. and i know it looks ridiculous to say, but i personally have no doubt they will lose because of their victory lap with the wrong trophy.

01-25-2005, 12:51 PM	#14
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	call it a jinx, if you will..

01-25-2005, 12:51 PM	#15
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I christen thee The Pyser Principle. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

01-25-2005, 12:53 PM	#16
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	hehe. just dont play with the wrong trophy. simple as that.

01-25-2005, 01:37 PM	#18
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	all the best traditions are in hockey. every sport should do playoff beards. they are so badass.

01-25-2005, 01:38 PM	#19
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	This is such a dumb...no, not dumb, but superstitious belief, i don't really understand the reasoning. Yay, I just banged Elle MacPherson and get to move on to the "seduce Cindy Crawford" version of the game. Hell yeah i'm gonna be excited.

01-25-2005, 01:39 PM	#20
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I'll bet you there are a ton of those hockey guys that wished they touched the trophy. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

01-25-2005, 01:44 PM	#21
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Pats win this one . __________________ Toujour Pret

01-25-2005, 02:00 PM	#25
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	id f-ck the stanley cup.

01-25-2005, 02:04 PM	#27
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	well, that depends. am i a professional hockey player, too? if i drank enough beer out of the top, id do lots of nasty things to it. somehow, though, i feel our conversation has taken the thread off topic...

01-25-2005, 02:06 PM	#29
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	its the holy grail, man. plus, once i shaved off my beard, i looked so damn good in the reflection of the cup.... which is why the eagles will lose!

01-25-2005, 04:34 PM	#30
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I don't think there's any harm in parading a trophy around in front of your fans since it's the last time you'll see them at home that season.

01-25-2005, 05:08 PM	#31
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	So if you and your wife's goal is to have a kid, you can't enjoy the sex along the way that makes that happen? I guess the 1980 hockey team was a bunch of morons for celebrating their win over Russia? I guess in your line of work you can't enjoy any promotion that you receive until you become the CEO? Those poor stupid NASCAR drivers, they actually celebrate winning an individual race. This is one of the dumbest things that I have ever heard, it figures that it's a bunch of hockey players that started it.

01-25-2005, 05:23 PM	#33
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	the Eagles will get beat, but it has nothing to do with the trophy parade. they just are up against a better team. __________________ Mile High Hockey

01-25-2005, 05:25 PM	#34
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	although, the Eagles DO deserve to lose just because of that asshat Freddie Mitchell wearing the dorky boxing belt. __________________ Mile High Hockey

01-25-2005, 06:06 PM	#35
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	To all you folks getting defensive over Pyser's original post, it's just superstition talk, people. I guess hockey players (and fans) are more superstitious than football people, but he was just saying. For the Eagles fans, you obviously want your team to win the game, but is there any reason to dismiss the superstition so vehemently? It's true that NHL teams generally don't touch the conference championship trophy when they win it (although Scott Stevens immediately grabbed the Prince of Wales Trophy in 2003, and his team went on to win the Stanley Cup that season). There's a reason that they won't touch it: it's not what they're playing for. I think that many football players and fans (not necessarily the fans on this board) don't quite understand that concept. Yes, they know that they want to win the Super Bowl, but there's a difference. Football players and fans aren't in it for the Vince Lombardi Trophy. They're in it so they can be called Super Bowl champions. NHL players are in it for the Stanley Cup. It's not all about the title. It's about being literally etched into their sport's history for eternity. The actual trophy means a hell of a lot more to NHL people than it does to NFL people. I can't speak for Pyser, but I got the impression that he was emphasizing the trophy far more than most football fans would. I don't have a problem with that. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

01-25-2005, 06:14 PM	#36
hhiipp College Prospect Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: OH	So if no players from either team in hockey touches the trophy before the Stanley Cup Finals how do they determine a winner? What a stupid superstition.

01-25-2005, 08:54 PM	#38
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	pumpy- thank you very much. you explained it better than i can. i'm a big hockey fan, so i just took that superstition and applied it to football. well done.

01-25-2005, 08:55 PM	#39
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	dola as a big devils fan, i do remember stevens picking up the trophy. he posed for a picture, and put it right back down. people were suprised he even did that much.

01-25-2005, 10:20 PM	#41
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	So this is all just a big potshot at hockey? Nobody's saying that avoiding the trophy is any kind of guarantee that you'll win a championship. It's all about knowing what you're playing for. I could try to say more, but it'd essentially be a repeat of what I said before. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

01-25-2005, 10:32 PM	#42
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	So being happy about what you've done so far somehow means that you don;t know what you're playing for? That's a pretty sad way to look at life, especially in terms of sports careers that are short. If you don't take the time to stop and smell the roses at each step, you may never get there again to have that chance.

01-25-2005, 10:43 PM	#43
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	It has nothing to do with Hockey, i'd call you all nuts if you told me not to walk in front of a black cat or under a ladder. You can't throw out a superstition and then get defensive when people tell you you are nuts.

01-25-2005, 11:09 PM	#47
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Sorry, maybe I'm starting to take all of this too seriously now (my reply to Suicane75 excepted). Perhaps I should just go back to posting pictures of myself in random threads. Look for 'em. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

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