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Dearly Missed
(9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: DC Suburbs
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Power Rankings Formulas
Does anyone have access to or developed a power ranking module for teams in the NFL? Sort of like the Sagarin ratings. I can't seem to find exact formula's just websites giving the rankings.
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Dallas, TX
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one of the more popular ones (albeit simplistic), if memory serves, is to take points allowed, multiply by 10, and divide by points scored. subtract that from 100, and you get your power ranking. add 3 pts to the home team.
so, for example: NE = 437 PF, 260 PA, so power ranking calc is: 260*10 = 2600 2600/437 = 5.95 power ranking: 100-5.95 = 94.05 PHIL: 386 points scored, 260 points against: 260*10=2600 2600/386 = 6.74 100-6.74 = 93.26 NE at home would be favored by 3.79; philly at home by 2.21. neutral field = ne by .79. |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Yikes! That's very simplistic.
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Is FOF power ranking based on how the NFL does there power ranking?
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Big Ten Country
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FOF uses the Solecismic power ranking -- I think that's the same as the one he uses for college football on his web site? I didn't know the NFL had a power ranking system.
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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There might be some similarities between the FOF power ranking formula and the one he uses for his college football rankings, but they're definetly not the same. I'm almost positive that the formula used in the game takes teams' active roster strengths into consideration. |
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Big Ten Country
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Oh, yeah, duh, you're totally right about that -- you can tell between preseason ad regular season.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South Bend, IN
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One straightforward option would be Bradley-Terry (conceptually pretty easy, I can elaborate if anyone wants). Vanilla B-T has the drawback of being purely result-oriented (no accounting for scoring), but the general approach is flexible enough to admit some variations. Any sort of ranking is going to be of questionable accuracy considering the small sample size it has to consider.
I know Ken Massey does ratings for other college sports, does he do any pro sports?
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Dallas, TX
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I've had this site bookmarked for months now:
http://teamrankings.com/ Mike Greenfield developed it for College hoops, but has since expanded it to the other majors... |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South Bend, IN
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It looks like his underlying methodology may be based on Bradley-Terry, since he talks about developing victory probabilities and optimizing for predicted total fractional wins equalling actual total wins. It looks like his probability functions are quite interesting, however, probably considerably more involved than a naive basic Bradley-Terry ranking.
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Dearly Missed
(9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: DC Suburbs
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Can you explain or provide a link to the Bradley-Terry method/Formula? I tried doing a search, but cannot find what I am looking for. Basically, I want to see how they use it in the NFL, or how to write a formula to use for the NFL.
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Kansas City, Mo
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I could do a power ranking for nhl clubs
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College Starter
Join Date: Dec 2001
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My code for my NFL ratings. I don't publish them, but you can verify results for my ratings for other sports at this site. Each sport has slightly different formulas, of course. Basic concept is the same. The algorithm is based on David Rothman's, which can be found and is explained here. However, I take into account score ratio while he does not. The game score formula is where that difference comes into play. If you have any questions, let me know.
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Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Kennesaw, GA
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I haven't seen BASIC since 1985
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Dearly Missed
(9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: DC Suburbs
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Got anything just a little more simplified? I was hoping to find something that would predict the outcome of a game based on some factors of a team, in excel format. I tried the first posts formula, but it basically looks like all of the home team's are absically favored all of the time, even if it is the #1 team (away) playing the #32 team.
Any ideas or links of where I could find something to do this?
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South Bend, IN
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I think Ken Butler's page gives enough details to be able to figure out how to implement it. http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~butler/krachexp.htm The whole thing is just a framework, though... KRACH is about the most naive possible implementation. A really simple tweak adjusts the result function so that margin of victory is taken into account, and one can conceive of more complex things to change (indeed, I have).
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South Bend, IN
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Dola, a naive Bradley-Terry ranking will take only past wins and losses into account. No home field consideration (which might be accomplished in a number of different ways), nothing for margin of victory (also subject to myriad approaches), etc.
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