FM2005: Roster Size Question

MikeVick7 · 01-28-2005, 02:08 PM

So now that I've made it up to the Premiership and qualified for the UEFA Cup...my first team roster has grown to a pretty good size (26). Well at least for a little ol' Blackpool.

Anyway...looking around at some of the actual Premier League team's websites it looks like most of them have anywhere from 23-25 players on their first team...then maybe another 10-15 reserves. Do all of these first team players play strictly first team football? Or do some of 2nd and 3rd string guys spend some time on the reserve team as well?

I'm trying to find a balance between keeping guys on the first team and playing them when their "severely lacking match fitness" as opposed to putting them on the reserve team and then becoming unhappy. But at least they're staying in shape for the most part.

I've also noticed that most of the clubs have a manager...an asst manager...two 1st team coaches...one keeper coach and a reserve coach. I need to scale my coaching staff down a bit.

Marc Vaughan · 01-28-2005, 02:13 PM

Depends entirely on the manager and their style ...

Some like to rotate the squad in which case the first team players aren't really active in the reserves as much because they all get a reasonable amount of first team football, others run smaller first team squads and 'call people up' from the reserve team as required.

Advantages of first approach:
* Competition for places
* Players don't play quite so many matches so less prone to tiredness

Disadvantages of first approach:
* Team may not 'gel' as much because they're not playing as the same unit all the time
* Some players won't like being rotated because they won't get so much playing time.

(for the other style pretty much invert these items)

Desnudo · 01-28-2005, 02:46 PM

Through my experiences I've found more success playing with the same starting eleven as often as possible with only 2-3 guys who rotate in fairly regularly and maybe 5-6 who are backups. I think it's the Barcelona coach, Frank Rijkaard, who believes that it's most important for a club to run the same 11 out consistently, using 2-3 others, if they want to win.

BreizhManu · 01-28-2005, 02:59 PM

same as desnudo for me.

MikeVick7 · 01-28-2005, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Through my experiences I've found more success playing with the same starting eleven as often as possible with only 2-3 guys who rotate in fairly regularly and maybe 5-6 who are backups. I think it's the Barcelona coach, Frank Rijkaard, who believes that it's most important for a club to run the same 11 out consistently, using 2-3 others, if they want to win.

I also try to lineup the same 11 as often as possible and the same 5 subs...but that's almost near impossible in the months of December...January and February. But yes I do subscribe to that theory as well whenever I can. Maybe this weekend I will try and scale back my first team a bit and start to rotate players between the first team and the reserves when needed to see how that works. I just hate the thought of guys rotting away on the bench all season. I guess trying to loan out a few wouldn't be a bad idea either.

astrosfan64 · 01-28-2005, 03:07 PM

I usually play down in the conference to start my league.

I usually run the same starting 11 and sub 3 of the 5 players every game. I do this based on the performance / injury / fatigue rating of the starter. Since I play in conference, the pickings are slim but I almost always have a rotation in at striker and midfield.

My starting defense almost always stays the same barring injury or severe like of form.

VPI97 · 01-28-2005, 03:19 PM

same as astrosfan for me

Desnudo · 01-28-2005, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVick7

I also try to lineup the same 11 as often as possible and the same 5 subs...but that's almost near impossible in the months of December...January and February. But yes I do subscribe to that theory as well whenever I can. Maybe this weekend I will try and scale back my first team a bit and start to rotate players between the first team and the reserves when needed to see how that works. I just hate the thought of guys rotting away on the bench all season. I guess trying to loan out a few wouldn't be a bad idea either.

I made a mistake in my Norwich game where I went on a buying spree and brought in too many players. I think the only solution, at least for me, is to get rid of some of them since I hate not playing guys also.

path12 · 01-28-2005, 04:44 PM

Sometimes if I'm running different tactics on a regular basis (home/away or attacking/defensive) I have platoons of players who may not ever get listed as a substitute, but will either start or not be on the gameday roster. This is a way to use some of those players who have useful attributes but may not be complete enough to use on a regular basis.

atatange1 · 01-28-2005, 06:30 PM

I run the same eleven but I do like to rotate my D CRL guys because I find they start to get exhausted earlier in the season so I try to sub them out vs weaker teams to avoid this. Other then that I only use players as subs not rotating starters.

01-28-2005, 02:46 PM	#3
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Through my experiences I've found more success playing with the same starting eleven as often as possible with only 2-3 guys who rotate in fairly regularly and maybe 5-6 who are backups. I think it's the Barcelona coach, Frank Rijkaard, who believes that it's most important for a club to run the same 11 out consistently, using 2-3 others, if they want to win. Last edited by Desnudo : 01-28-2005 at 02:47 PM.

01-28-2005, 03:19 PM	#7
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	same as astrosfan for me __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

01-28-2005, 04:44 PM	#9
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Sometimes if I'm running different tactics on a regular basis (home/away or attacking/defensive) I have platoons of players who may not ever get listed as a substitute, but will either start or not be on the gameday roster. This is a way to use some of those players who have useful attributes but may not be complete enough to use on a regular basis. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-28-2005, 02:13 PM	#2
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Depends entirely on the manager and their style ... Some like to rotate the squad in which case the first team players aren't really active in the reserves as much because they all get a reasonable amount of first team football, others run smaller first team squads and 'call people up' from the reserve team as required. Advantages of first approach: * Competition for places * Players don't play quite so many matches so less prone to tiredness Disadvantages of first approach: * Team may not 'gel' as much because they're not playing as the same unit all the time * Some players won't like being rotated because they won't get so much playing time. (for the other style pretty much invert these items)

01-28-2005, 02:59 PM	#4
BreizhManu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Paris, France	same as desnudo for me.

01-28-2005, 03:07 PM	#6
astrosfan64 College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2004	I usually play down in the conference to start my league. I usually run the same starting 11 and sub 3 of the 5 players every game. I do this based on the performance / injury / fatigue rating of the starter. Since I play in conference, the pickings are slim but I almost always have a rotation in at striker and midfield. My starting defense almost always stays the same barring injury or severe like of form.

01-28-2005, 06:30 PM	#10
atatange1 High School JV Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: WA state	I run the same eleven but I do like to rotate my D CRL guys because I find they start to get exhausted earlier in the season so I try to sub them out vs weaker teams to avoid this. Other then that I only use players as subs not rotating starters.

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