Dynasty talk- (Patriots if they win) vs. Cowboys of the 90's

[JAG]

Interesting article with a comparison of the two teams (well, maybe I just thought it was interesting because I actually knew all the Cowboys mentioned) and some high praise for Belichick.


Rick Gosselin: Could Patriots match Cowboys of early '90s?

12:21 PM CST on Sunday, January 30, 2005


The New England Patriots are like a good art film – the performance is stronger than the cast.

The Patriots are on the verge of history. A victory over the Philadelphia Eagles next week would give them three Super Bowl championships in four seasons.

That would officially qualify as a dynasty and establish the Patriots as the favorites to join Dallas of the 1990s, San Francisco of the 1980s, Pittsburgh of the 1970s and Green Bay of the 1960s as teams of the decade.

Only one team has managed to win three Super Bowls in four years: the 1992-95 Cowboys. Does that make the Patriots a greater champion than the Steelers or 49ers? Does that put them on par with the Cowboys?

Jimmy Johnson is an authority on any such comparison. He coached the first two Dallas champions of the 1990s and now works for Fox as an NFL analyst.

"I don't think you can compare teams after free agency and the salary cap to the dominant teams like the Steelers, 49ers and Cowboys," he said. "That was the strongest era of football. The athletic ability was so much greater than what it was in the early years. There is no comparison."

Johnson built the youngest, fastest, deepest, most talented roster in the NFL in the early 1990s, and Dallas won championships in 1992 and '93. But the salary cap arrived in 1994, and the best teams could no longer keep all of their best players.

Johnson left in 1994 after a falling-out with owner Jerry Jones, and veteran Pro Bowlers Ken Norton, Mark Stepnoski and Russell Maryland followed him out the door over the next few seasons, along with several other starters.

"Football is not as good as it used to be because of player movement," Johnson said. "The salary cap forces you to play rookies and young players. That's the system. When you're forced to play rookies and free agents, there are so many silly and critical mistakes. You're not going to be as good. It's simple."

Eleven players started on all three of the 1990s Dallas Super Bowl champions. Only six players have started on all three of New England's AFC champions of this decade. The Cowboys had 17 position players selected to the Pro Bowl from 1992 to '95. The Patriots have had seven position players selected since 2001, plus two special-teamers.

To fortify a championship-caliber roster, the Cowboys signed free agent Deion Sanders to play cornerback on their 1995 team. The Patriots also have a free agent at cornerback on their third Super Bowl team. But he's an undrafted rookie free agent: Randall Gay.

And that brings us to the driving force behind the Patriots' success – why they would have found a way to compete with the Dallas, San Francisco and Pittsburgh Super Bowl champs if they could have met: coach Bill Belichick.

"The teams that are dominant today are better coached than any teams ever before," Johnson said. "What Bill has done has been masterful. The job he's done over the last few years may be the best coaching job of all time. He's taken young players and free agents and, even with all the injuries, they don't make mistakes."

The Patriots would have to play mistake-free football to beat Johnson's Cowboys.

Belichick has one of the best defensive minds in the NFL, building game plans to take away the opposition's strength. But if he stacked the defensive front to take away Emmitt Smith, that would leave a short-handed secondary to cover Michael Irvin, Jay Novacek and Alvin Harper in the passing game. The Patriots as a defense thrive on takeaways. But Smith and Troy Aikman were ball security personified. Like the Patriots, those Cowboys teams didn't beat themselves.

Dallas also lined up four or more Pro Bowl offensive linemen. So the Cowboys could block the Patriots. In addition, the speed and depth of the Dallas defensive front seven would have given New England fits. The Cowboys rotated seven linemen to keep fresh legs on the field. The Patriots would attempt to block them with a host of blue-collar overachievers.

The Patriots would not have a chance against those Cowboys. But they had no chance against St. Louis in 2002, either. You can shortchange the team, but do not shortchange the coach. The talent of the Cowboys would allow them to win a best-of-3 series. But Belichick would find a way to steal a game along the way.


PATRIOTS-COWBOYS: A COMPARISON

Here's a comparison of the primary starters for the Cowboys' dynasty of the 1990s and the Patriots' dynasty of the 2000s. The number in parenthesis represents the number of Super Bowl starts by the Cowboys and projected starts by the Patriots:

QUARTERBACK



Tom Brady Cowboys: Troy Aikman (3)
Patriots: Tom Brady (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Aikman and Brady are the same guy - selfless players willing to sacrifice personal statistics for team success. But Aikman had a Hall of Fame runner and receiver; Brady did not. The Patriots ask Brady to do more than the Cowboys asked Aikman.

HALFBACK



Emmitt Smith Cowboys: Emmitt Smith (3)
Patriots: Corey Dillon (1)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Dillon has had an impact on the Patriots in his one season in 2004, rushing for 1,635 yards. You want impact? Smith is the NFL's all-time leading rusher.

FULLBACK



Daryl Johnson Cowboys: Daryl Johnston (3)
Patriots: Larry Centers (1)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Johnston was one of the best blocking fullbacks of his era and Centers one of the best pass-catching fullbacks. Give Johnston the edge for longevity.

WIDE RECEIVER



Michael Irvin Cowboys: Michael Irvin (3)
Patriots: Troy Brown (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Irvin is the all-time leading receiver on the Cowboys and a Hall of Fame finalist next weekend. Brown was a solid receiver who now plays mostly on defense.

WIDE RECEIVER



Deion Branch Cowboys: Alvin Harper (2)
Patriots: Deion Branch (2)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Harper was a complementary deep threat to Irvin, averaging 18.3 yards per catch in his three seasons in Dallas. Branch has evolved into a Brady go-to guy.

TIGHT END



Jay Novacek Cowboys: Jay Novacek (3)
Patriots: Daniel Graham (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Novacek was a five-time Pro Bowler and one of the top pass-catching tight ends of the 1990s. He was Aikman's security blanket. Graham is an underneath target for Brady.

LEFT TACKLE



Mark Tuinei Cowboys: Mark Tuinei (3)
Patriots: Matt Light (3)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Light is New England's best lineman, a superb pass blocker for Brady's blind side. Tuinei could protect Aikman and also maul defenders in the running game.

RIGHT TACKLE



Erik Williams Cowboys: Erik Williams (3)
Patriots: Tom Ashworth (1)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: If you could elect a player to the Hall of Fame based on four seasons, Williams would be in Canton. He was the meanest, nastiest blocker in the NFL from 1992-95.

GUARD



Nate Newton Cowboys: Nate Newton (3)
Patriots: Russ Hochstein (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Newton's post-career problems off the field shadow the fact he was one of the game's best pulling guards on the field. He went to six Pro Bowls.

GUARD



Joe Andruzzi Cowboys: John Gesek (2)
Patriots: Joe Andruzzi (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Andruzzi would have been the only member of this New England offensive line that could have started for the 1990s Cowboys. His toughness would have been a good fit.

CENTER



Mark Stepnoski Cowboys: Mark Stepnoski (1)
Patriots: Dan Koppen (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: The Cowboys lined up two different Pro Bowl centers on Super Bowl teams, Stepnoski and Ray Donaldson. Koppen was a rookie starter on the 2003 Super Bowl team.

STRONGSIDE END



Tony Tolbert Cowboys: Tony Tolbert (3)
Patriots: Bobby Hamilton (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Hamilton was the stay-at-home run stuffer on a talented New England front. Tolbert did that and also rushed the passer with 27 sacks from 1992-95.

WEAKSIDE END



Charles Haley Cowboys: Charles Haley (3)
Patriots: Willie McGinest (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: McGinest has lined up at both end in a 4-3 and linebacker in a 3-4, which shows his versatility. But Haley had 100 career sacks and five Super Bowl rings.

TACKLE



Richard Seymour Cowboys: Russell Maryland (2)
Patriots: Richard Seymour (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: When they sift through the accomplishments of this New England dynasty, Seymour will loom as a Hall of Fame candidate. Maryland was a rotation tackle.

TACKLE



Leon Lett Cowboys: Leon Lett (2)
Patriots: Ted Washington (1)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: The Patriots lined up a different nose tackles on their three Super Bowl teams. Lett was a giant (6-6) inside - all arms, legs and pass-rush ability.

STRONGSIDE LINEBACKER



Mike Vrabel Cowboys: Ken Norton (2)
Patriots: Mike Vrabel (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Like quarterback, this position is a toss up. Norton brought a toughness to the Dallas front. Vrabel brings versatility to New England's front. Norton made more tackles, Vrabel made more big plays.

MIDDLE/INSIDE LINEBACKER



Tedy Bruschi Cowboys: Robert Jones (2)
Patriots: Tedy Bruschi (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Linebackers are the heart of the New England 3-4 scheme, and Bruschi is the heart of that corps. He's the big-play maker with seven sacks, seven interceptions and nine forced fumbles on the three Super Bowl teams.

WEAKSIDE LINEBACKER



Darrin Smith Cowboys: Darrin Smith (2)
Patriots: Roman Phifer (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Smith was the fastest, most athletic, most talented linebacker on the Cowboys. He started as a rookie in 1993 and gave the Cowboys a coverage linebacker.

CORNERBACK



Ty Law Cowboys: Kevin Smith (2)
Patriots: Ty Law (2)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Law is another of the Hall of Fame candidates on this New England team with four Pro Bowls. Smith gave the Cowboys a corner who could compete with Jerry Rice.

CORNERBACK



Larry Brown Cowboys: Larry Brown (3)
Patriots: Otis Smith (1)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Brown was the MVP of the 1996 Super Bowl and Smith probably should have been the MVP of the 2002 Super Bowl for his mauling of Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt.

STRONG SAFETY



Darren Woodson Cowboys: Darren Woodson (2)
Patriots: Rodney Harrison (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Another tough call. Both were bone-crunching hitters in run support but Woodson was more adept in coverage. He could line up and cover a slot receiver.

FREE SAFETY



Eugene Wilson Cowboys: Thomas Everett (2)
Patriots: Eugene Wilson (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Everett was the veteran presence that settled down a young Dallas secondary. Wilson is a converted corner who, like Woodson, can line up and cover a slot receiver.

KICKER



Adam Vinatieri Cowboys: Eddie Murray (1)
Patriots: Adam Vinatieri (3)
Edge: Patriots
Analysis: Vinatieri is arguably the greatest clutch kicker in NFL history. He has won two Super Bowls with late, long field goals - 41 yards against Carolina in 2004 and 48 against St. Louis in 2002.

PUNTER



John Jett Cowboys: John Jett (2)
Patriots: Ken Walter (2)
Edge: Cowboys
Analysis: Walter has a 39.7-yard career average, Jett a 42.4-yard average. Jett never had a kick blocked with the Cowboys. Walter had two blocked with the Patriots.

[Swaggs]

Good post.

I think most are right on, but I'm surprised that they picked Vrabel over Norton. People have forgotten how good Norton was quickly.

[JeeberD]

Oh man, seeing all those old names brought a tear to my eye...

*sniff*

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Good post.

I think most are right on, but I'm surprised that they picked Vrabel over Norton. People have forgotten how good Norton was quickly.

perhaps the ridiculous job he did on the NFL network has tainted the memory of his playing days.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Good post.

I think most are right on, but I'm surprised that they picked Vrabel over Norton. People have forgotten how good Norton was quickly.

I dunno Vrabel shoulda got the mvp last year, as I figure it. Norton was good, but I think Vrable is seriously underrated.

[Joe]

does the thread title imply that the patriots are only a dynasty if they win on sunday?

[vex]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

does the thread title imply that the patriots are only a dynasty if they win on sunday?

And?

[j51]

Its not much of an argument, really. The Cowboys actually dominated teams. When they played there was no doubt they were the best, most talented team on the field. The Patriots on the other hand are a couple of missed field goals (or holding penalties) away from being nobodies. Just look at margin of victory in the playoffs:

92 Cowboys: 23
93 Cowboys: 14.6
95 Cowboys: 10

01 Patriots: 4.3
03 Patriots: 5.3

Not to mention the Cowboys had to go through Steve Young twice, Brett Favre twice and Jim Kelly twice. The Patriots have had to go through such luminaries as Kordell Stewart, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, and Peyton Manning, a dome QB who has never won a thing.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by vexroid

And?

thats not the case.

[Suicane75]

49ers, Steelers, and Cowboys dynasties would of made back alley whores out of this Patriots team.

[SunDevil]

And yet now there is a salary cap, and the Patriots are 32-2 in their last 34 games. So none of these old dynasties (and they were very good teams) had to deal with the salary cap at all.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

thats not the case.

Unless you are thinking of another few Superbowls later this decade, it surely is.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

49ers, Steelers, and Cowboys dynasties would of made back alley whores out of this Patriots team.

Except that today's players are faster, stronger and tougher. Great as the Steelers of the 70s were, I very much doubt they could compete with any of today's teams if you transported them out of the 70s to today.

Likewise with the 80s 49ers.

However, if you were to reconstruct these teams with modern-day equivalent players (for instance, 4 Pro Bowl Offensive Linemen for the Cowboys), then yes, those teams beat any dynasty these days. It's a different game.

[rkmsuf]

Physically, the previous dynasties would get mauled by the current Pats. Maybe the Cowboys could hang...maybe.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

And yet now there is a salary cap, and the Patriots are 32-2 in their last 34 games. So none of these old dynasties (and they were very good teams) had to deal with the salary cap at all.

that is what I am saying. In this era of the salary cap, even if the Pats lose, what they've done is remarkable, and is quite different than those teams that could keep everyone together regardless of salary.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

that is what I am saying. In this era of the salary cap, even if the Pats lose, what they've done is remarkable, and is quite different than those teams that could keep everyone together regardless of salary.

That cuts both ways. Those teams also had to DEAL with other teams that could keep everyone together. The Pats haven't had to face a team like the Niners of the 90s, for example, who the Cowboys had to get through just about every year.

[Aylmar]

Plus the fact that the Patriots have only drafted 26 of the 53 guys on their roster. The other 27 were acquired via trade, waivers, or free agency (this of course includes first-year free agents which I really should seperate out..too lazy to do all that research). :-) So they have to deal with the hinderance of the salary cap, but also get the benefit of being able to bring in guys like Rodney Harrison via free agency...

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by j51

The Patriots on the other hand are a couple of missed field goals (or holding penalties) away from being nobodies.

[sabotai]

If the Patriots lose, but come back to win the Super Bowl next year, are they still considered a dynasty?

[rkmsuf]

of course

[JAG]

Swaggs: Thanks. I'm not sure about Norton being better than Vrabel, more since I haven't paid much attention to Vrabel's play, but it seems like Vrabel is always making a big play and Norton seemed more solid and less spectacular.

Jeeber: On ESPN Classic last night, they had the 1992 Conference Championship game and Super Bowl on. I didn't remember during the infamous Lett fumble recovery that he had someone running with him who could've easily blocked Beebe out of the play if he had made any kind of effort...

j51: Interesting point. I do remember when Dallas didn't win by a large margin, it was like "What's wrong with them?" But a lot of that can be ascribed to the huge differences between the good and bad teams back then, whereas today the margins are a lot closer.

ISiddiqui: Also an interesting point. It'll be interesting to see in about 10 years how many Hall of Fame players were in the 1994 NFC Championship game for example (I'd say the guarantees are Aikman, Smith, Irvin, Young, Rice, Deion, and some others you could make arguments for, e.g. Larry Allen).

Aylmar: Well, you could say the Cowboys were comprised much the same way, via the Herschel Walker deal, signing Novacek from Plan B free agency, ...

sabotai: Definitely. I think the standard for a dynasty is 3 Super Bowl wins in a close enough period of time. The '80's 49ers dynasty spanned 8 years between their Super Bowl wins, the '70's Steelers had 4 in 6 years, etc. However, the Cowboys won 2 Super Bowls in the 70's and went to two others that they lost, but no one really calls them a dynasty. So I think 3 Super Bowl wins will do it.

[judicial clerk]

This Patriots team is good enough that they would have a chance of winning against anybody. However, That Cowboys team would win more often than not. They were just too talented. That list of Cowboys didn't even include Deion or Larry Allen.

Discounting the fact that players get bigger, stringer, and faster astime passes, I think the 70's steelers could take them both. The talent on those teams was just ridiculous and they won against great competition in the AFC (even if they cheated a little).