Anyone watching the Ultimate Fighter

[moriarty]

Just curious to see if anyone else is watching this on Spike TV. It's yet another reality show where the fighters are up and coming (mostly) mixed martial arts dudes. The winner ultimately wins a contract to fight in the UFC.

It's not great television, but I'm a pretty big fan of MMA so I enjoy it. The best part is that two guys have to fight it out at the end of every show to see who gets kicked off. So you get to see at least one fight every week.

[sachmo71]

yes...

[Suicane75]

I missed the first couple of weeks but was able to catch up on them over the weekend, saw most of last nights right up until fight time but missed the end. It's lookin like a real quality "reality" show in that the competitors are actually skilled at their objective and the objective fits the players, It's on my must see list.

[dubb93]

Its much better than the fox boxing show in that they show the entire fight. On the fox boxing show they just clipped it.

[moriarty]

For the five people watching ... did you catch this week's episode? I won't ruin it w/ a spoiler here, but all I can say is that I can't wait for next week's show. Hope it lives up to the hype.

Good stuff - too bad this is buried away late night on Spike.

[Havok]

im trying to watch when i can (i want tivo!!!)

and i also can't wait to see next weeks show, thats gonna be an awsome fight.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by moriarty

For the five people watching ... did you catch this week's episode? I won't ruin it w/ a spoiler here, but all I can say is that I can't wait for next week's show. Hope it lives up to the hype.

Good stuff - too bad this is buried away late night on Spike.

I wasn't even sure what night it comes on.

[SirFozzie]

the good news is, Spike LOVES the show, it appeals to key demographics, and it does what no other show has in its timeslot, keeps a good percentage of the show proceeding it.. (WWE)

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by sachmo71

I wasn't even sure what night it comes on.

11:05pm Mondays. Although they replay it Friday (Sat?) night.

One word: Tivo!

[Suicane75]

Did anyone see the show on Monday? Easily the best "reality" show i have ever seen, theres a ton of money to be made on this angle.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Did anyone see the show on Monday? Easily the best "reality" show i have ever seen, theres a ton of money to be made on this angle.

If you're talking about the leadup to the Josh/Leben brawl then oh yeah! Looking forward to this more than alot of professional boxing/mma/etc.. bouts.

My money's on Leben.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by moriarty

If you're talking about the leadup to the Josh/Leben brawl then oh yeah! Looking forward to this more than alot of professional boxing/mma/etc.. bouts.

My money's on Leben.

Me too. I waited till last night to watch it and after hearing all the buildup on various sites, etc. I was blown away by how in 1 hour they totaly built to a match that I would be willing to pay money to see, simply amazing.

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I think it really says something about Chris when he's able to hold himself back for so long and even when he did snap he didn't try to hurt anyone.

And Josh, to me at least, was a total face coming into Mondays show, but man, he was a total dickhead and really lost alot of respect, but I can still see him turning face again.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

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I think it really says something about Chris when he's able to hold himself back for so long and even when he did snap he didn't try to hurt anyone.

And Josh, to me at least, was a total face coming into Mondays show, but man, he was a total dickhead and really lost alot of respect, but I can still see him turning face again.

I'd have to watch it again to be sure, but I swear when they told Josh he'd have to fight Chris, he had this scared look on his face like 'oh-crap'. That tells me right there he's in trouble. After the first show or two I couldn't stand Chris, but I'm actually in his corner on this one.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by moriarty

I'd have to watch it again to be sure, but I swear when they told Josh he'd have to fight Chris, he had this scared look on his face like 'oh-crap'. That tells me right there he's in trouble. After the first show or two I couldn't stand Chris, but I'm actually in his corner on this one.

It's not quite an "oh crap" look but it's a "hmm, have i bit off more than I can handle?" look.

I don't think he's afraid to fight Chris, but i do think he's hesitant to fight an angry Chris.

[Suicane75]

Anyone still watching this? Very entertaining show last, with a really close fight.

[rafini]

The Leban-Koscheck fight was one of those where in 2 or 3 rounds, Koscheck would win because he would just wrestle and control the match for that long. If it went any longer than that Leban would win - you'd expect him to land a punch or two eventually, and you could tell Koscheck was really shying away from getting into any type of a punch-out.

I haven't watched the Feb. 28 episode yet ... will probably watch it tonight.

[JeffNights]

Just goes to show that Chris relies way too much on his hands and needs more defensive work.

You cant let a grappler flat out take you down that many times and expect a decision win when you are on your back 80 percent of the fight.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by JeffNights

Just goes to show that Chris relies way too much on his hands and needs more defensive work.

You cant let a grappler flat out take you down that many times and expect a decision win when you are on your back 80 percent of the fight.

Looked like Chris was way to timid in throwing punches ... like he was loading up for the one big blow when he should have been throwing stuff just to keep Josh from shooting in. Definitely let down by his lack of agressiveness. Still he almost got him w/ a couple of knees.

But I definitely don't like the judging in the UFC. Just b/c you take down a guy and lay on him I don't think you should be able to score many points. Not that Chris did much either.

And on to this week's episode .... Spoiler Alert if you haven't seen it .....


Decent fight, but why not let these things go 3 rounds? Surely you could cut out some fluff and show another 5 minutes of fighting. I could understand if someone was totally outmatched and getting killed, but when there's a split decision ... why not automatically go to the 3rd round.

Perhaps the most interesting part was the previews for next week. They showed Southworth arguing with the UFC president (WTF's he thinking, basically he's losing any chance he ever has to make the big show); and more intriguingly they tease about bringing someone back to the show (possibly to replace the injured dude). Could it be the return of Chris? It'd make things exciting, but it would also sorta cheapen the whole competition. Should be interesting.

[rafini]

I watched the new episode yesterday and that fight was waaaayyyyy better than the Josh-Chris fight, which they built up for about 2-3 weeks. But since those are the two who've been the most vocal about not liking each other, I can see them bringing Chris back for a rematch - controversy and drama make for better TV, and I doubt they'd let a little thing like a competition get in the way of that.

I actually thought Bobby won this week's fight - I thought he definitely won the first round and the second round was probably split. But I guess it was close enough that it could've gone either way. They definitely should've went to a third round, though. I think there may have been a knockout with other round, because both guys were getting pretty tired and it would've been easier to land one big shot. It was easily the best fight so far, though.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by rafini

But since those are the two who've been the most vocal about not liking each other, I can see them bringing Chris back for a rematch - controversy and drama make for better TV, and I doubt they'd let a little thing like a competition get in the way of that.

The more I think about this, the less likely I think the chances are that they'll bring Chris back. Most likely they'll bring back some other guy to replace the injured dude.

I'm basing this on two things from the previews:
1) if they were bringing Chris back, they probably would have said so in the previews. Let's face it he drives ratings, so why not announce his return.

2) Josh K makes the comment like "this place is getting weirder and weirder" or something to that effect. I got to belief if they brough Chris back, his comments would have been alot harsher like "this place is total BS" or something.

[Suicane75]

As much as I trying to figure out a reason not to give it to Bobby, I couldn't.
I think he won each round, by slim margins, but he won them nonetheless.

And I doubt the guy coming back is gonna be anywhere near as interesting as they wanna lead us to believe.

[moriarty]

Anyone catch the lastest episode yet? Not the best of episodes, but at least they removed another dead weight so we can start focusing on the talented folks.

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Ok, so I was wrong about bringing back Leben. I still think this cheapens the show somewhat, but hey it should at least make for one more good fight. The guy was a total tool for picking Diego last night. I think he thought Diego would just tap him so he wouldn't get hurt ... but it was rather funny to see Diego pound on him instead. They need to get rid of the one dimensional boxers who don't have a clue what to do once they get taken down.

By the way, I read that for the finale, they are throwing in a bunch of free UFC fights on Spike. Ken Shamrock vs. Rich Franklin is the headliner. For those that don't follow the UFC Ken is an older 'legend', and Rich Franklin is a well rounded up and comer. Should be a nice fight to watch on top of the TUF finals.

[Schmidty]

This show kicks ass.

[SirFozzie]

Apparently the Finals will be an 8 fight card.

Nice to see the team captains/trainers in TUF... Couture vs Liddell is UFC's next PPV

[rafini]

Just watched the last episode ... that fight sucked.

I think what we're coming down to will be a great 3-way battle for the middleweights between Diego, Josh and Chris - my pick will be Diego, he seems to have the most overall skills between any of the fighters.

[moriarty]

Just caught Monday's night episode. Interesting to see they turned the teammates against each other for the semi-finals. I think the whole structure of this show needs some reworking as you have the potential for some folks to get into the finals having only fought once.

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Poor, poor Leben. He was totally dominating the fight against kenny, until he caught a bad break with the cut. Still, I suppose it's poetic justice as Leben had already been defeated once.

I thought Kenny was a great jiu-jistu guy, but he only once tried to take it to the ground ... not sure why, or if he was just being man handled. Anways, I think the Josh / Digeo fight will determine the eventual winner as I can't see Kenny beating either one.

[Havok]

The Josh/Deieo fight should be excellent. Im pulling for Digeo since Josh is a dick.

[SirFozzie]

Kenny was fighting a decent fight (except that one turn and run, that's a good way to get your lights turned out in the octagon)

He was measuring distance well, hit Josh with some sick shots..

be interesting to see if Forrest can still fight after that huge cut.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Havok

The Josh/Deieo fight should be excellent. Im pulling for Digeo since Josh is a dick.

I just don't see Josh with the skills to defeat Diego. He may take him down (and based on the previews it appears he does) but based on the Leben fight I don't think he can do anything once he has him on the ground. Diego on the other hand has the ability to submit Josh from either the top or bottom position.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

be interesting to see if Forrest can still fight after that huge cut.

Man, I hope he can fight. He's the type of character and aggressive fighter that I like to watch. Plus I really don't want Southworth to have a chance at making the finals.

[Havok]

Originally Posted by moriarty

I just don't see Josh with the skills to defeat Diego. He may take him down (and based on the previews it appears he does) but based on the Leben fight I don't think he can do anything once he has him on the ground. Diego on the other hand has the ability to submit Josh from either the top or bottom position.

i agree, Diego is alittle slow and alittle wierd sometimes, but he's the most 'skilled' fighter there i think. A guy like him can win any fight at any time. Now the only thing i think Josh has going for him is raw power.

I also agree about Forrest, but you gotta give the guy he fought last week credit(i forgot his name), he was whipping Forrest's ass when they were standing up and boxing

[hukarez]

Originally Posted by Havok

I also agree about Forrest, but you gotta give the guy he fought last week credit(i forgot his name), he was whipping Forrest's ass when they were standing up and boxing

Alex Schoenauer! That guy impressed me with his 'balls to the wall' outburst. A pity it ended the way it did, but he gets nothing but praise from me.

EDIT: On a side note, I haven't been ritualistically following the show (sometimes catch it on Friday nights), what's the deal with that Nathan Quarry dude on the green team? Is he out?

[moriarty]

Alex had a lot of heart. I just wished they picked some guys who weren't so one dimensional. Once Alex got taken down he had no idea what to do ... other than absorb punches.

Nathan Quarry is out. He tore ligaments or something in his ankle I think. It was sort of a stupid deal. They had like six guys training in the ring at once, and Randy (the coach) tried to take a dude down and the dude rolled over right on Nathan's ankle. Not sure why they would be doing takedowns in a crowded ring.

But they decided to make him an honorary coach of the green team b/c he's such a good guy ... or something to that effect.

[moriarty]

Very good fight this week - definitely check it out if you haven't seen it. Best fight yet IMO.

Still some questionable scoring by a judge or two (what's up with the judges in these things?).

[Schmidty]

This show keeps getting better.

[moriarty]

Anyone watching the ultimate fighter finale tonight?

Starts at 9pm eastern time on Spike.

[maximus]

Yup, watching right now.

I didn't catch the names of the two guys who fought first but what a butt whoppin' that one guy took.....

[Chubby]

a GREAT fight so far, go Stephan!

[Chubby]

BULLSHIT!

What a load of crap

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Chubby

BULLSHIT!

What a load of crap

Actually I was thinkin thats how it would turn out, I split the first 2 rounds and noticed Bonner backtracking alot in round 3, i'm not entirely surprised by the decisions. Great fight and great decision to give them both contracts though.
I do really think they shot themselves in the foot however by having the dumbass team rules which lead to, in reality, the 3rd or 4th best middleweight being in the finals. Sanchez vs Koscheck should of been put into position to meet in the finals.

And they also did a horrible job of the scheduling tonight. They should of left time for airing of at least 1 or 2 of the undercard fights. Southworth vs Hogar is something I really would of liked to see.

And man, is Bruce Buffer no Micheal Buffer.

[SirFozzie]

Here are spoilers for the dark matches from tonight, from Meltzer:

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Alex Karalexis b Josh Raffery via knockout
Mike Swick b Alex Schoenauer via ref stoppage
Josh Koscheck b Chris Sanford via knockout (yes, Josh has learned to throw a punch)
Nate Quarry b Lodune Sincaid via ref stoppage
Chris Leben b Jason Thacker as well. I just hope he got one good punch in before going down as this was less than 2:00
Sam Hoger b Bobby Southworth via unanimous decision


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[Suicane75]

Fuckin ridiculous that they couldn't fit in 1 or 2 of those fights seeing as how they all went less than 1 round except for Southworth/Hogar, and they should have made room for that fight to be on the main show from the get go. Still a promotion making night for UFC but there were some big flaws form a presentation standpoint.

[SirFozzie]

The problem is, a fight could go 15 seconds, or 15 minutes.

I'm sure if all the fights had gone quickly, they would have aired some of it.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

The problem is, a fight could go 15 seconds, or 15 minutes.

I'm sure if all the fights had gone quickly, they would have aired some of it.

They had over 70 minutes of stuff before Sanchez & Fiorian even entered the cage, they could of shown alot of stuff in that time.

[Calis]

I never watched the show itself, but happened to head over to a friend's house where a buncha folks were watching the finals.

That second fight was one of the best MMA fights I've ever seen. I agreed with the judging also, I think they were even at one round a piece going to the third and the guy who won was clearly the aggressor and doing more work in the third.

Both did awesome though, man they took some shots.

The Shamrock thing was painful also, what the hell happened that first time he went to the ground? Was seriously odd, like his legs gave out or something? Didn't look like he was going for a takedown or anything, and if so it was the most awkward attempt ever.

It was ugly though.

[FF]

that shamrock fight was a work, i believe that 100%.

[Anthony]

that light heavy weight fight was awesome. so much more entertaining than boxing.

[Ragone]

I wonder if they will release a dvd of all the episodes.. i think i wanna get that

[dubb93]

looks like the ultimate fighter 2 will be heavyweights and welterweights. The UFC heavyweight division could use all the help it could get, I hope they 2 or 3 good heavyweights in the next show. I wonder if kenny florian will try and come back at 170 in the next show, they kept saying he was a true 170lb fighter.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Ragone

I wonder if they will release a dvd of all the episodes.. i think i wanna get that

They will definitely release a DVD of all the fights from the finale (including the ones they didn't show)... and my guess all the episodes as well.

Random thoughts:

Swick apparently knocked out his opponent in 20 seconds in one of the prelims.

Florian was definitely outmatched by Diego (Florian is clearly a different weight class) and for a supposed Jiu-Jitsu blackbelt I never in all the episodes saw him use any Jiu-Jitsu moves.

Bonner vs. Forrest. Wow! Clearly made the night, and most likely will be the fight of the year. Not a thing of technical beauty, but great fun. And it's extremely nice to see guys actually throw for all 3 rounds. Sure they were gassed, but half the time in the UFC after one round of punching the fighters start huggging to catch their breaths. No breaks here. I did think Bonner beat him though.

Ken vs. Franklin - dang Ken looked pretty dang uncoordinated. I think it's his age ... time to hang them up. I don't think it was a fixed fight ... just that Ken couldn't get his legs/reactions to go as quick as he'd like - still some awkward falls. Thought Ken had him for a second though in that heel hook. But alas, I think Ken was almost relieved to have the fight stopped when he slipped and turtled up. Hopefully he retires from here.

Bonner & Forrest clearly saved the night for the UFC. Still i nearly fell asleep between bouts as they clearly used the event as a 2 hour commercial. Oh well, looking forward to TUF2 ... hopefully they improve the format somewhat.