3-4 vs. 4-3

RailsFS · 02-23-2005, 02:05 AM

Just wondering what everyone uses. I am very familiar with running a 4-3, as I would imagine most people are since it's the most basic defense, but I am currently in a position where using a 3-4 makes the most sense. In FOF2k4 terms, what is the major difference? Take a team with a great group of LBs such as Baltimore, New England, or Pittsburgh. As I understand it (in real life), usually teams that run a 3-4 make sure their lineman are good run stuffers, since the pass rush will usually be put on by the LBs. I've run across the opposite, however, in FOF. No matter how much I bump up my LB blitz percentages, it seems that my DEs always have more sacks than my LBs. This is starting to become very frustrating, since my OLBs are very solid overall and have good pass rush attributes. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions, or if some of you guys have noticed this too?

RailsFS · 02-23-2005, 02:06 AM

Should I just avoid using a 3-4 in FOF at all costs?

stevew · 02-23-2005, 02:18 AM

They had to turn down LB blitzing cause some people were exploiting it to the extreme in multiplayer.

RailsFS · 02-23-2005, 02:26 AM

Yeah, that's what I heard/read. Does it basically neuter the 3-4 in the game?

stevew · 02-23-2005, 02:34 AM

I used the 3/4 in multiplayer and had the #1 rushing defense in our league thru at least week 16(didnt check after finale). I dunno if it was the 3/4 or the fact that i got ahead often and teams had to pass all the time. #32 vs the pass.

stevew · 02-23-2005, 02:36 AM

Theres a lot more to defense then how many sacks you register.

mhass · 02-23-2005, 07:57 AM

I like the 3-4, gameplan asisde, because defensive linemen are so expensive. Four linebackers are cheaper than four DL's, all else being equal. In TCY, I'll take whatever my roster gives me, but in FOF, I almost always use the 3-4.

C-Bailey · 02-23-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RailsFS

No matter how much I bump up my LB blitz percentages, it seems that my DEs always have more sacks than my LBs. This is starting to become very frustrating, since my OLBs are very solid overall and have good pass rush attributes. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions, or if some of you guys have noticed this too?

I know this post is reffering to FOF but this is very noticeable in TCY also. I can't get a OLB with a very high pass rush rating to register sacks no matter what scheme i run. I can get the occasional pass rush monster out of the ILB position but never at OLB which is the opposite to what we all know about pass rushing LB's like Joey Porter, Peter Boulware, and others.

Joe · 02-23-2005, 01:03 PM

I use both. I will often switch from game to game with some of my MP teams, depending on which opponents I play.

RailsFS · 02-23-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Theres a lot more to defense then how many sacks you register.

I know there's a lot more, but one of the key components (usually) of a good 3-4 is good pass rushing OLB(s). It's not just sacks that I'm not getting when I use the 3-4, it's also hurries. In real life terms, if you're not getting ANY pressure on the QB, it doesn't matter how good your secondary is, they'll still be lit up by a decent QB. I guess that's why this is so frustrating for me.

Chubby · 02-23-2005, 04:03 PM

depends on your personnel. I run a modified 3-4 as some know and my defense rocks

KWhit · 02-23-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

depends on your personnel. I run a modified 3-4 as some know and my defense will get rocked tomorrow.

Fixed.

Chubby · 02-23-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Fixed.

Keep dreamin o injured one

BradAttitude · 02-23-2005, 10:14 PM

I usually run the 3-4 because as I believe it gives me more versatility in designing my gameplans.

As long as you're sacking the QB, I can't see why it matters who got the sack.

stevew · 02-23-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

depends on your personnel. I run a modified 3-4 as some know and my defense rocks

Is that the vaunted "Double Nickel"?

Chubby · 02-23-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Is that the vaunted "Double Nickel"?

yup, #1 D so far in IHOF, 20 yds per game better than #2

cthomer5000 · 02-23-2005, 10:45 PM

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yup, #1 D so far in IHOF, 20 yds per game better than #2

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It has also propelled the Mohawks to a stunning 0 wins in the playoffs in their history, while allowing 27 points per game in those playoffs.

Chubby · 02-23-2005, 10:50 PM

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It has also propelled the Mohawks to a stunning 0 wins in the playoffs in their history, while allowing 27 points per game in those playoffs.

I must have missed the playoff sims for this season

cthomer5000 · 02-23-2005, 10:54 PM

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I must have missed the playoff sims for this season

Are you claiming you have not run the "double nickel" in past seasons? I'm just stating historical fact, man.

jbmagic · 02-23-2005, 11:21 PM

what is a double nickle? how you set gameplan for that defense?

Chubby · 02-24-2005, 09:14 AM

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Are you claiming you have not run the "double nickel" in past seasons? I'm just stating historical fact, man.

Glad to see you can read, I said we're the #1 defense right now, 20 yds per game better than #2. I must have missed where i said anything about previous seasons, dope.

jbmagic - it's setup with 1 defensive lineman, 2 OLBs playing DE, 3 LBs playing LB, 1 S playing LB, and a normal secondary

C-Bailey · 02-24-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Glad to see you can read, I said we're the #1 defense right now, 20 yds per game better than #2. I must have missed where i said anything about previous seasons, dope.

jbmagic - it's setup with 1 defensive lineman, 2 OLBs playing DE, 3 LBs playing LB, 1 S playing LB, and a normal secondary

Interesting scheme. I wonder if something unorthodox like this would work in TCY...hmmm. So, just taking a guess, the safety that plays as an LB is lined up as the Weakside LB on the depth chart ?

Vinatieri for Prez · 02-26-2005, 02:37 PM

If you are not permanently switching their positions, aren't you hurting yourself there by playing so many guys out of position, with the hypothesized ratings penalty we all think occurs when doing this? If it's successful, maybe the alignment overcompensates for that loss, I guess.

Loki · 02-26-2005, 07:05 PM

I remember playing this guy in Madden online who would put a CB at DE and run past my tackle every play.

I though that was bullshit.

This story may or may not be relevant.

Kodos · 03-01-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Loki

I remember playing this guy in Madden online who would put a CB at DE and run past my tackle every play.

I though that was bullshit.

This story may or may not be relevant.

I'm guessing you would not like to play Chubby in Madden if you were looking for a straight game.

cthomer5000 · 03-01-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Glad to see you can read, I said we're the #1 defense right now, 20 yds per game better than #2. I must have missed where i said anything about previous seasons, dope.

I know full well that you didn't mention it, which i found suspicious. Why limit the sample size when you have another 2 seasons of data to pull from?

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm guessing you would not like to play Chubby in Madden if you were looking for a straight game.

02-23-2005, 07:57 AM	#7
mhass High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Here	I like the 3-4, gameplan asisde, because defensive linemen are so expensive. Four linebackers are cheaper than four DL's, all else being equal. In TCY, I'll take whatever my roster gives me, but in FOF, I almost always use the 3-4. __________________ Now while I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. - H.J.S.

02-23-2005, 10:14 PM	#14
BradAttitude n00b Join Date: May 2004	I usually run the 3-4 because as I believe it gives me more versatility in designing my gameplans. As long as you're sacking the QB, I can't see why it matters who got the sack. __________________ 668 - Neighbour of the beast

02-23-2005, 02:06 AM	#2
RailsFS Mascot Join Date: Jan 2005	Should I just avoid using a 3-4 in FOF at all costs?

02-23-2005, 02:18 AM	#3
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	They had to turn down LB blitzing cause some people were exploiting it to the extreme in multiplayer.

02-23-2005, 02:26 AM	#4
RailsFS Mascot Join Date: Jan 2005	Yeah, that's what I heard/read. Does it basically neuter the 3-4 in the game?

02-23-2005, 02:34 AM	#5
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I used the 3/4 in multiplayer and had the #1 rushing defense in our league thru at least week 16(didnt check after finale). I dunno if it was the 3/4 or the fact that i got ahead often and teams had to pass all the time. #32 vs the pass.

02-23-2005, 02:36 AM	#6
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Theres a lot more to defense then how many sacks you register.

02-23-2005, 01:03 PM	#9
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I use both. I will often switch from game to game with some of my MP teams, depending on which opponents I play.

02-23-2005, 04:03 PM	#11
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	depends on your personnel. I run a modified 3-4 as some know and my defense rocks

02-23-2005, 11:21 PM	#20
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	what is a double nickle? how you set gameplan for that defense?

02-26-2005, 02:37 PM	#23
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	If you are not permanently switching their positions, aren't you hurting yourself there by playing so many guys out of position, with the hypothesized ratings penalty we all think occurs when doing this? If it's successful, maybe the alignment overcompensates for that loss, I guess.

02-26-2005, 07:05 PM	#24
Loki Banned Join Date: Nov 2004	I remember playing this guy in Madden online who would put a CB at DE and run past my tackle every play. I though that was bullshit. This story may or may not be relevant.

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