I'll have a bitch and a Fat Dyke...

[Glengoyne]

to go please.



NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — A student group at Rutgers University (search) has demanded sandwich vendors on campus change the names of sandwiches that have been deemed offensive.

Some of the sandwiches, which have been voted the best "fat" sandwiches by Maxim magazine, are called; "Fat Dyke," "Fat Phillipino" [sic] and "Fat Bitch." The big bites are sold by so-called "grease trucks" on the New Jersey school's main road.

"We feel that those names are inappropriate and offensive and that they contribute to a hostile climate at the trucks and that makes people feel unwelcome," said Laurie Marhoefer, a student member of the Rutgers gay students group.

Some students don't care what their favorite eats are called.

"I don't take any offense to it, it's not as if ... this is in any way like, detracting from my culture or sense of identity, you know," said Ben Rojo, who described himself as Filipino-American.

Rutgers cited a contract clause between the trucks and the university when it forced the vendors to change the names. Some students say the forced change is akin to censorship, but others agree with the change and say making all students feel comfortable is more important.

The students who filed the complaint say they're satisfied with the actions the university has taken but they still hope the dialogue spurred by the controversy will continue.

But a grease truck worker identified only as "Mr. C" told The Daily Targum, the Rutgers student newspaper, that the move was wrong.

"I'm very upset. We're all very upset," he said. "I've been selling [Fat] Bitches for 14 years."

[Coffee Warlord]

"I've been selling [Fat] Bitches for 14 years."

God that guy rocks.

[Desnudo]

How tasteful.

[Lathum]

This is actually quite serious and surprising. Anyone who went to Rutgers or partied there know that the grease trucks and their sandwich's are actually a huge part of the culture of the school.

[sterlingice]

Has someone considered telling these whiny people that they can just *not* go to the vendor on campus? I got offended when there were protesters with signs of aborted babies on the way to the dining commons. You know what I did? Walked a different way.

SI

[General Mike]

Fat Dyke is kinda offensive, everything else is just people overreacting.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

"I've been selling [Fat] Bitches for 14 years."

God that guy rocks.

Agreed.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Has someone considered telling these whiny people that they can just *not* go to the vendor on campus? I got offended when there were protesters with signs of aborted babies on the way to the dining commons. You know what I did? Walked a different way.

SI

The world disagrees with you, SI.

Unfortunately.

[Castlerock]

Anyone here from the University of New Hampshire?

Gimme large snottie, and a big-guy with rag, load and baby shit. Run it through the garden and hold the breath.
AKA: cheese fries and a cheesgurger sub with ketchup, mayo, mustard, lettuce, and tomato (no onion).

Sadly Karl is retired now.

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

"We feel that those names are inappropriate and offensive and that they contribute to a hostile climate at the trucks and that makes people feel unwelcome," said Laurie Marhoefer, a student member of the Rutgers gay students group.

Then don't go to the truck.

[Castlerock]

And no one is ever going to be able to convince the student body at Rutgers to order anything other than a 'Fat Bitch' regardless of what it says on the menu. This is pointless complaining.

[Franklinnoble]

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Then don't go to the truck.

See, that'd just make waaaaaay too much f'n sense ... leaving with me grave doubts that even gets consideration as a possible solution.

[Ksyrup]

Is this going to be like the name changes to stadiums, where everyone is contractually obligated to cease and desist from calling 3COM Candlestick Park? Just once, I wish an announcer had said screw the system and referred to the old name for an entire game.

[cartman]

Why do they call it a Hamburger if it is made with beef, and not pork. I'm offended, and demand it be changed from every spot that serves these monstrosities.

[Ksyrup]

I hope this doesn't catch on. I mean, Moe's sells the Coctostan, and I'm sure that offends someone, somewhere.

[Crapshoot]

So, I tend to agree that its not a big deal, but would any of you object if they called a sandwich the n----- fried chicken ? Or is that okay as well ?

[sovereignstar]

I've gone out with both a bitch and a fat dyke. I'm appalled.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

On a serious note, I'm thinking that the Soda companies will become the #1 public enemy(much like Cigarettes and Fast Food) over the next few years. Too much diabetes and other stuff to ignore their contribution to an unhealthy society. Yeah, they aren't responsible for people making bad decisions, but you gotta figure that people will blame them anyways.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

What kind of sugar-free pop should I have with my sugar-free cake?

[cartman]

I bet that these people have never been to a "Dick's Last Resort" then...

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

So, I tend to agree that its not a big deal, but would any of you object if they called a sandwich the n----- fried chicken ? Or is that okay as well ?

Considering I'm not easily offended, it would probably be okay with me. However, if people are offended by a sandwich with that name, then they shouldn't go there to eat. Either the sandwich shop will lose sales because of the name and will either go out of business or change the name, or there won't be enough people who are offended by it to cause them to change it.

That's my take.

[Ksyrup]

They should change the name of the Fat Dyke to the Van Dyke.

[sabotai]

I've said it before, I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until the day I die.

I fucking hate people.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Considering I'm not easily offended, it would probably be okay with me. However, if people are offended by a sandwich with that name, then they shouldn't go there to eat. Either the sandwich shop will lose sales because of the name and will either go out of business or change the name, or there won't be enough people who are offended by it to cause them to change it.

That's my take.

I think the big distinction here is that you can vote with your wallet. No one is forcing you to do this. It's not government sanctioned. It's a private business. Much like if the Klan started a business called "Niggers!" (wonder if they would comply with EOE) would probably be a ticket to fail, they would still have the right to call it as such.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

They should change the name of the Fat Dyke to the Van Dyke.

While that's Jerry Van Dyke, would these people be offended if there was a Dick Van Dyke sandwich? I mean, it's got both "dick" and "dyke".

SI

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I've said it before, I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until the day I die.

I fucking hate people.

When do you need me to deliver your next supply of groceries?

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

When do you need me to deliver your next supply of groceries?

Thursday, and if you're late again I'm not giving you a tip!

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

So all of that stuff is in a sandwich?

Yup!

EDIT: Timestamp strikes again! Woooo!

[Buzzbee]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I mean, it's got both "dick" and "dyke".

SI

That's impossible!

[TazFTW]

Fat biatch
Cheesesteak, Chicken Fingers, Mozzarella Sticks, French Fries, Lettuce, Tomato, Ketchup

So all of that stuff is in a sandwich?

[Buzzbee]

I'd change the name to Faddike and Fabbitch.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Castlerock

And no one is ever going to be able to convince the student body at Rutgers to order anything other than a 'Fat Bitch' regardless of what it says on the menu. This is pointless complaining.

Agreed. I couldn;t tell you whats on a 'fat bitch' tho.

[Logan]

I don't know why I didn't post this story when it first broke (about two weeks ago).

For what it's worth, our school paper did a poll of students and asked "Should the names of the sandwiches at the Grease Trucks be censored?"

70% said no. 20% said no, the owners should be responsible for censoring themselves. Only 10% said that the University should do the censoring.

I don't know one person who has ever been offended by the names. We'll call them what we've called them, and tell these sensitive pricks to go F themselves.

One of the off-campus pizza places on Easton Ave here came up with a name for a sandwich that I thought might have went too far. After the Tsunami disaster, they labeled a sandwich the Fat Tsunami. If the contents of the sandwich had anything to do with a tsunami it might have been alright, but they named it that way purely to take advantage of the situation.

By the way, maybe I would've said something about the name if the sandwich wasn't so ridiculously delicious. Let's see...Cheesesteak, gyro meat, mozzarella sticks, fries, hot sauce, white sauce, lettuce, and tomato. I barely remember tasting it between my drunkenness and sheer hunger, but it was fantastic.

Oh, and for any other RU people around here...President Dick McC formerly announced today that he will develop a plan to turn College Ave (the actual road) into a pedestrian walkway. Possibly the worst idea I've heard in my (nearly) four years here.

[Logan]

Dola...

Help us out.

http://www.petitiononline.com/gt2005ru/petition.html

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Logan

Oh, and for any other RU people around here...President Dick McC formerly announced today that he will develop a plan to turn College Ave (the actual road) into a pedestrian walkway. Possibly the worst idea I've heard in my (nearly) four years here.

I disagree. Great idea, it will make Rutgers seem like a real college.

As far as the fat sandwiches go, nothing holds a candle to the Fat Night (Cheese steak, mozzarella sticks, chicken fingers, fries, marinara sauce)

[Glengoyne]

People really need to stop posting every picture of SD they run across.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by General Mike

I disagree. Great idea, it will make Rutgers seem like a real college.

I thought so at first as well. But I started to think of the following:

1. There's a bunch of houses/buildings on College Ave with driveways and small parking lots. What happens with those spaces? Do they just throw grass in these random areas? Where is the additional parking going to be for these people, as well as the (appx) 100 or so spaces that line College Ave? I think all these buildings will just look odd "sitting" on a random pedestrian green walkway.

2. What happens to one-way streets like Seminary and Bishop? Seminary, for example, is a major street for parking by commuters. If you can't drive on College Ave anymore, you would have to widen these streets to allow for two way traffic so people can look for spaces, and some way for them to turn around at the end. Unless they plan on "greening" this area too, which I haven't heard about.

3. The plan right now is to divert traffic to Sicard and George Streets. Are you f'in kiddin me? When cars are parked on both sides of Sicard, the road is barely wide enough for the occassional two-way traffic. They want to throw a ton of traffic and buses on this street? As for George St, traffic is shitty all day, but driving on it from 4 PM to 5 makes you wanna kill yourself. It takes me 10-15 minutes to get from my place on Easton and Somerset to the entrance to 18 to get to Livingston.

If they somehow unveil a plan that would make this work and not look stupid, I'll be all for it. But I feel that the $20 million this would cost could be spent in better ways.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

So all of that stuff is in a sandwich?

Yep. Damn tasty too. Though my fav was a Fat Philipino, which had hot sauce and the white gyro sauce with it, or a Fat Koko, which had marinara and mozzerrella sticks in it.

The thing I MOST miss about Rutgers are those grease trucks.

As for the article: YOU. HAVE. GOT. TO. BE. KIDDING. ME.

I say mass protest! BRING THE FAT BITCH BACK! These bastards are screwing with the best Rutgers tradition out there! (the breaking of the pipes in graduation sucks, the not walking through the Old Queens gate except twice is dumb too, the stealing of the canon is cool but its buried in concrete now).

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Logan

I thought so at first as well. But I started to think of the following:

1. There's a bunch of houses/buildings on College Ave with driveways and small parking lots. What happens with those spaces? Do they just throw grass in these random areas? Where is the additional parking going to be for these people, as well as the (appx) 100 or so spaces that line College Ave? I think all these buildings will just look odd "sitting" on a random pedestrian green walkway.

2. What happens to one-way streets like Seminary and Bishop? Seminary, for example, is a major street for parking by commuters. If you can't drive on College Ave anymore, you would have to widen these streets to allow for two way traffic so people can look for spaces, and some way for them to turn around at the end. Unless they plan on "greening" this area too, which I haven't heard about.

3. The plan right now is to divert traffic to Sicard and George Streets. Are you f'in kiddin me? When cars are parked on both sides of Sicard, the road is barely wide enough for the occassional two-way traffic. They want to throw a ton of traffic and buses on this street? As for George St, traffic is shitty all day, but driving on it from 4 PM to 5 makes you wanna kill yourself. It takes me 10-15 minutes to get from my place on Easton and Somerset to the entrance to 18 to get to Livingston.

If they somehow unveil a plan that would make this work and not look stupid, I'll be all for it. But I feel that the $20 million this would cost could be spent in better ways.

Great post. After reading it, I agree blocking off College Avenue would be a massive stupid idea. What swayed me were the parking spaces. The parking garage has way too few spaces in the first place (who really wants to park at Busch and take the fucking bus over?). Taking away College Ave spaces? That's almost criminal!

[Klinglerware]

Sure are a lot of Rutgers affiliates on the board. If only real life could be like TCY (where Rutgers is one of the easiest schools to win with)...

[Logan]

Maps and artist's renditions of McCormick's plan...

http://www.president.rutgers.edu/CAC_maps.pdf

It looks really nice, but it doesn't make any mention of new traffic patterns or additions of parking decks. And the fact that the greening is considered "phase 1," I'm hoping that phase 2 and beyond isn't creating the new traffic situation (as in, first we green it, then when that's done, we figure out what to do with all these cars). I can't see how they can possibly be that stupid though...

[Logan]

Dola...

The administration has to accept the fact that Rutgers will never be like a traditional campus. When the NJ Turnpike, Route 1, Route 18, Route 295, and a major train station hub are all right around the school, it just isn't possible or practical.

The best way to improve the overall aestheticness of the school is for the town of NB (in cooperation with RU) to continue to develop the downtown area between College Ave and Douglass. That's where a large percentage of the crime that the school has been getting hammered with in the press over the past couple years is coming from. Once you get past the George Street Playhouse, you have a bunch of stores/houses/churches that are completely rundown with homeless/very poor people hanging around outside. Certain areas have started getting nicer, and the school/city is finishing up a massive project that includes a very nice apartment complex for students (similar style to where I live now--the Easton Ave Apts--but with an overall better look) that will be about 12 stories high, with a parking deck, as well as a convention center that should bring some money in. Problem is, right now nobody wants to live there because of the shitty conditions surrounding it. If they can clean that area up, and keep extending the renovations all the way to Douglass, THEN you will have a nice little area that you can be proud of. I'd rather see the "greening" money go towards this cause (or god forbid, to teacher salaries or classroom renovations).

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah good luck on that ever happening though. There seems to be no political capital for doing so. The city of New Brunswick is run by a machine and they don't really give a damn about the area between Rutgers' campuses.

[Logan]

Well, considering they will probably soon realize that they WASTED tens of millions of dollars with this new hall/complex because no one wants to live in a shitty area, they may wisen up and start sinking some money into the revitalization.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

How tasteful.

Trust me, if you ate these sandwiches you'd also demand that they be called anything they want to be. It's some good shit.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by General Mike

I disagree. Great idea, it will make Rutgers seem like a real college.

As far as the fat sandwiches go, nothing holds a candle to the Fat Night (Cheese steak, mozzarella sticks, chicken fingers, fries, marinara sauce)

They've been talking about this plan since I was a freshman and I'm all for it. I assume this would run from Hamilton to the library (the street name at that intersection is escaping me right now)?

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Logan

Maps and artist's renditions of McCormick's plan...

http://www.president.rutgers.edu/CAC_maps.pdf

It looks really nice, but it doesn't make any mention of new traffic patterns or additions of parking decks. And the fact that the greening is considered "phase 1," I'm hoping that phase 2 and beyond isn't creating the new traffic situation (as in, first we green it, then when that's done, we figure out what to do with all these cars). I can't see how they can possibly be that stupid though...

We're not really talking about that much traffic coming through college ave there. Easton and George can pick up the slack, IMHO.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

We're not really talking about that much traffic coming through college ave there. Easton and George can pick up the slack, IMHO.

LOL... yeah right. Like George and Easton don't get enough traffic as it is. And where are all those parking spaces going to go? They need another parking deck desperatly whether or not College Ave is closed.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

LOL... yeah right. Like George and Easton don't get enough traffic as it is. And where are all those parking spaces going to go? They need another parking deck desperatly whether or not College Ave is closed.

Well, I was only talking about the Library-Grease Truck stretch of College Ave. I think they could close that without any significant problem. If they take it as far as they'd like to, I agree that i don't see where the cars are going to go.