I'm Guessing He Didn't Copy Off of Akili Smith

mckerney · 02-28-2005, 09:10 AM

Draft hopeful Fitzpatrick aces Wonderlic Personnel Test

By THE CRIMSON STAFF

Harvard senior Ryan Fitzpatrick added his name to yet another elite list yesterday, becoming only the second player in the history of the NFL combine to earn a perfect score on the Wonderlic Personnel Test, a 50-question, 12-minute intelligence exam administered to all participating draft hopefuls.

Not surprisingly, the only other player to ace the exam, Pat McInally ’75, also attended Harvard, punting for the Crimson from 1972 to 1974. But Harvard’s outgoing captain one-upped even his Crimson forbear, completing the test in just nine minutes, an unofficial record according to the NFL.

Fitzpatrick, who is widely projected to be on the bubble for selection and can only be aided by his performance, speculated last week that his score wouldn’t fail to impress.

“I’ll do my Harvard buddies proud when I do my Wonderlic,” Fitzpatrick told the Arizona Republic prior to the exam. “I’m extremely confident. It’s going to be a great [week] for me.”

wade moore · 02-28-2005, 09:16 AM

I wish there was a reliable, free site that would show some of these bubble players and their chances of being drafted...

Blackadar · 02-28-2005, 09:36 AM

Cool, but you missed something.

Akili Smith scored a 37 on his Wonderlic right before the draft. That's how he cemented his draft position. The year before, he scored a 12.

BTW, Ryan Leaf scored a 30.

Logan · 02-28-2005, 09:57 AM

I'd ace that shit too.

rkmsuf · 02-28-2005, 09:58 AM

Luckily for Smith, the majority of answers actually were "C" right before his draft.

QuikSand · 02-28-2005, 10:00 AM

Okay... I understand the use of bracketed words in quotes. When you need to insert something the person didn't actually say, but they used something else (usually a pronoun) you insert the word they meant. I get it.

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Originally Posted by Crimson

“I’ll do my Harvard buddies proud when I do my Wonderlic,” Fitzpatrick told the Arizona Republic prior to the exam. “I’m extremely confident. It’s going to be a great [week] for me.”

So... what word did he say instead of "week" that they couldn't print here for lack of context? (Or for any other reason, I suppose)

Franklinnoble · 02-28-2005, 10:01 AM

Great story... completely fails to mention what position this guy plays.

korme · 02-28-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Okay... I understand the use of bracketed words in quotes. When you need to insert something the person didn't actually say, but they used something else (usually a pronoun) you insert the word they meant. I get it.

So... what word did he say instead of "week" that they couldn't print here for lack of context? (Or for any other reason, I suppose)

was thinking the same thing quik. i'm curious.

Huckleberry · 02-28-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

So... what word did he say instead of "week" that they couldn't print here for lack of context? (Or for any other reason, I suppose)

Hemifortnight?

Blackadar · 02-28-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

was thinking the same thing quik. i'm curious.

I was looking at that too...

I would think one possibility is "it's going to be a great one for me".

QuikSand · 02-28-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

I was looking at that too...

I would think one possibility is "it's going to be a great one for me".

Yeah, I was thinking similarly -- but there doesn't seem to be any need to replace that, in my book. Especially with "week" -- since he's presumably talking about just the test itself -- and not the entire combine process.

Glengoyne · 02-28-2005, 10:25 AM

Great Time? But then again why replace that. Maybe he stutters or maybe the Reporter wasn't sure what he said.
It seems like our only recourse is an email to the Harvard [News Paper].

Raiders Army · 02-28-2005, 10:29 AM

Great screw? Great lay? It's like Mad Libs.

hhiipp · 02-28-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Great story... completely fails to mention what position this guy plays.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=129285

Decided to look him up since I'd never heard of him either.

kcchief19 · 02-28-2005, 10:36 AM

It can be a couple of things. Profanity/slang is always a likely possibility, but probably not in this context.

My guess is that he was talking about how the week/combine overall and said something like what Blackadar indicated, suggesting that if you took the original quote of context it might sound as though the great [whatever he said] referenced only the Wonderlic and the author/editor wanted to clarifiy the intent.

For example he may have said, "“I’ll do my Harvard buddies proud when I do my Wonderlic. This is a tremendous opportunity for me to show the NFL scouts what I can do. I'm looking forward to the entire week. I’m extremely confident. It’s going to be a great one for me.”

Ksyrup · 02-28-2005, 10:50 AM

Must be a subsconscious thing about football players, intelligence, and test-taking, but when I read the article, I thought it said the test was 50 minutes and 12 questions, as opposed to the other way around.

miked · 02-28-2005, 11:14 AM

I just looked at some sample questions of the Wonderlic Personnel Test on wonderlic.com and I'm hoping the NFL is a bit different. If you got into college and managed to finish at least 2 seasons, I should hope you could get questions like these correct:

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The following questions are similar, but not identical, to those presented on the actual WPT and SLE forms.

When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?

Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will 4 pads cost?

How many of the five pairs of items listed below are exact duplicates?
Nieman, K.M. Neiman, K.M.
Thomas, G.K. Thomas, C.K.
Hoff, J.P. Hoff, J.P.
Pino, L.R. Pina, L.R.
Warner, T.S. Wanner, T.S.

QuikSand · 02-28-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

It can be a couple of things. Profanity/slang is always a likely possibility, but probably not in this context.

My guess is that he was talking about how the week/combine overall and said something like what Blackadar indicated, suggesting that if you took the original quote of context it might sound as though the great [whatever he said] referenced only the Wonderlic and the author/editor wanted to clarifiy the intent.

For example he may have said, "“I’ll do my Harvard buddies proud when I do my Wonderlic. This is a tremendous opportunity for me to show the NFL scouts what I can do. I'm looking forward to the entire week. I’m extremely confident. It’s going to be a great one for me.”

I honestly didn't expect all that much thourhgt to go into this... but this is a very well-reasoned guess.

digamma · 02-28-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Great story... completely fails to mention what position this guy plays.

He's a qb with good speed, so he could be a non-qb draft prospect.

Klinglerware · 02-28-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by digamma

He's a qb with good speed, so he could be a non-qb draft prospect.

And for what it's worth, he didn't look bad in the post-season all-star games he played in...

Shkspr · 02-28-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

I just looked at some sample questions of the Wonderlic Personnel Test on wonderlic.com and I'm hoping the NFL is a bit different. If you got into college and managed to finish at least 2 seasons, I should hope you could get questions like these correct:

It isn't so much that the questions on the Wonderlic are that difficult (though they do get more diffucult as the test goes on), it's that you've got 12 minutes to get through 50 questions - under 15 seconds a question. When I used to grade Wonderlics, I'd guess that of the questions that got answered, 80-90% were right, but most people only got 20 or 25 questions into the test before time was called.

Yes, lots of football players (and entry level job seekers) can multiply $0.21 x 4 just fine. What the Wonderlic does is seperate those who have to work it out as a long multiplication problem from those who can glance at the answer and think "$0.84" without setting it up as a problem.

mckerney · 02-28-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackadar

Cool, but you missed something.

Akili Smith scored a 37 on his Wonderlic right before the draft. That's how he cemented his draft position. The year before, he scored a 12.

BTW, Ryan Leaf scored a 30.

I know he scored higher the second time, was refering to that he was suspected of cheating after raising his score so much.

rkmsuf · 02-28-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

I know he scored higher the second time, was refering to that he was suspected of cheating after raising his score so much.

.

Axxon · 02-28-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

I know he scored higher the second time, was refering to that he was suspected of cheating after raising his score so much.

Well, in ANY case, I doubt he copied off of anyone.

MikeVic · 02-28-2005, 01:49 PM

I also don't understand when writers put a word in brackets when the lack of that word would mean the whole sentence wouldn't make sense. Did the speaker just forget to say the word?

And 50 questions in 12 minutes seems KINDA hard, even if it's easy questions... I'd maybe get through 30....

BigJohn&TheLions · 02-28-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I'd ace that shit too.

Go for it.

http://www.efplfp.stealingisgood.com/wpt.html

mckerney · 02-28-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Go for it.

http://www.efplfp.stealingisgood.com/wpt.html

Got all 9 in about a minute.

hhiipp · 02-28-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

Go for it.

Wow, if all I had to do was take that test to be an NFL player I'd be a 1st rounder.

BigJohn&TheLions · 02-28-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Got all 9 in about a minute.

I posted it, then took it and realized that it's not even the full test.

there's more here, but not much:

http://www.fashioncareerscollege.com...mple-test.html

cthomer5000 · 02-28-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

I just looked at some sample questions of the Wonderlic Personnel Test on wonderlic.com and I'm hoping the NFL is a bit different. If you got into college and managed to finish at least 2 seasons, I should hope you could get questions like these correct:

The questions vary in difficulty. Time becomes a factor in some of the later questions that require more thinking through. My guess would be that most guys run out of time before getting to question 50.

edit: But most players are still morons. I'm sure they score (on average) a statistically significant amount below the average college grad.

wishbone · 03-01-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

But most players are still morons. I'm sure they score (on average) a statistically significant amount below the average college grad.

I had originally writed a scathing remark but then started to research and found these 2 links that made me rethink my position.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ins...ife_of_reilly/

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

TazFTW · 03-07-2005, 02:21 AM

Could it have been Harvard propaganda?

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...test&order=ASC

If I copied that link correctly, it should show players at the Combine sorted by Wonderlic from lowest to highest.

Draft Dodger · 03-07-2005, 07:44 AM

don't they generally NOT want to see a really high score on this test? I thought they underlying idea was that the smarter you were, the tougher you were to coach.

Draft Dodger · 03-07-2005, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Could it have been Harvard propaganda?

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...test&order=ASC

If I copied that link correctly, it should show players at the Combine sorted by Wonderlic from lowest to highest.

nice find - that shows him with a 38, and 3 guys with a better score.
is 50 perfect?

lcjjdnh · 03-07-2005, 11:07 AM

I thought I heard during the Combine on NFLTV that he did get a 50, so I'm not sure if the website is right.

02-28-2005, 09:36 AM	#3
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Cool, but you missed something. Akili Smith scored a 37 on his Wonderlic right before the draft. That's how he cemented his draft position. The year before, he scored a 12. BTW, Ryan Leaf scored a 30. Last edited by Blackadar : 02-28-2005 at 09:37 AM.

02-28-2005, 09:58 AM	#5
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Luckily for Smith, the majority of answers actually were "C" right before his draft. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales Last edited by rkmsuf : 02-28-2005 at 10:15 AM.

02-28-2005, 10:50 AM	#16
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Must be a subsconscious thing about football players, intelligence, and test-taking, but when I read the article, I thought it said the test was 50 minutes and 12 questions, as opposed to the other way around. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-07-2005, 07:44 AM	#33
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	don't they generally NOT want to see a really high score on this test? I thought they underlying idea was that the smarter you were, the tougher you were to coach. __________________ Mile High Hockey

02-28-2005, 09:57 AM	#4
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I'd ace that shit too.

02-28-2005, 10:01 AM	#7
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Great story... completely fails to mention what position this guy plays.

02-28-2005, 10:25 AM	#12
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Great Time? But then again why replace that. Maybe he stutters or maybe the Reporter wasn't sure what he said. It seems like our only recourse is an email to the Harvard [News Paper].

02-28-2005, 10:29 AM	#13
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Great screw? Great lay? It's like Mad Libs.

02-28-2005, 10:36 AM	#15
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	It can be a couple of things. Profanity/slang is always a likely possibility, but probably not in this context. My guess is that he was talking about how the week/combine overall and said something like what Blackadar indicated, suggesting that if you took the original quote of context it might sound as though the great [whatever he said] referenced only the Wonderlic and the author/editor wanted to clarifiy the intent. For example he may have said, "“I’ll do my Harvard buddies proud when I do my Wonderlic. This is a tremendous opportunity for me to show the NFL scouts what I can do. I'm looking forward to the entire week. I’m extremely confident. It’s going to be a great one for me.”

02-28-2005, 01:49 PM	#25
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I also don't understand when writers put a word in brackets when the lack of that word would mean the whole sentence wouldn't make sense. Did the speaker just forget to say the word? And 50 questions in 12 minutes seems KINDA hard, even if it's easy questions... I'd maybe get through 30....

03-07-2005, 02:21 AM	#32
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Could it have been Harvard propaganda? http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...test&order=ASC If I copied that link correctly, it should show players at the Combine sorted by Wonderlic from lowest to highest.

03-07-2005, 11:07 AM	#35
lcjjdnh College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NJ	I thought I heard during the Combine on NFLTV that he did get a 50, so I'm not sure if the website is right.

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